Cora and 4 coaches sacked!

[mvp 78]

LOL, my daughter said “who is Alex Cora, the guy who is always on the phone?”

[Bellhorn04]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not firing Fatse is a nasty bit of business though.

He's not fired?

[Bellhorn04]

This is the second time in 4 seasons Dillon Lawson has been fired in-season.  

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

He's not fired?

I’m a dum dum. Too much sun on the boat today.

[moonslav59]

Just now, alsoason said:

NOT WHAT YOU WROTE, what I Was thinking about why he still has a job, lol

He may not have one for long, but it looks like JH gives everyone 3 years minimum. It might be hard hiring the next GM, if that trends to less than 3.

Brez did do some dirty work for Cora, and he's made some clear strides in building up the farm and focus on pitching. He's made some major mistakes, for sure, but I still look at the totality of all his significant decisions and see more good than bad. I'm not sure that's enough.

How this season ends might be the telling event in Brez's tenure, but I'm not sure it should be. How the younger players finish out 2026 might be what saves his job.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I’m a dum dum. Too much sun on the boat today.

Maybe they just forgot him.

[mvp 78]

No matter what, the path forward lies with Breslow. If this team fails over the next fee years, it’s on him.

[alsoason]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

He may not have one for long, but it looks like JH gives everyone 3 years minimum. It might be hard hiring the next GM, if that trends to less than 3.

Brez did do some dirty work for Cora, and he's made some clear strides in building up the farm and focus on pitching. He's made some major mistakes, for sure, but I still look at the totality of all his significant decisions and see more good than bad. I'm not sure that's enough.

How this season ends might be the telling event in Brez's tenure, but I'm not sure it should be. How the younger players finish out 2026 might be what saves his job.

I want to see him succeed, heck I would have been fine if they just fired the hitting coach and his entourage. A bit early to press the panic button after 26 games IMO but its not my team or money. I have been removed from Central Mass since 1971, but I remember how the fans were at the games. Henry needs to realize that Boston fans will not let him stand still, not after the 4 championships of this century. He either invests in his team or he needs to sell it and take his profits.

[mvp 78]

[mvp 78]

Stiff, Sam, JH post victory

 

[mvp 78]

Sam & Brez presser tomorrow AM

[notin]

59 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not firing Fatse is a nasty bit of business though.

They not only fired Fatse, they fired his assistant.  And, according to some sources, his mom…

[Jean-Sébastien Blouin]

What's the Dustin Pedroia rumor?

[Old Red]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sam & Brez presser tomorrow AM

Sam, and Brez will say we’ve got to do better.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Someone shoulda talked to Devers many years before, and normally that is viewed and the manager's role not the GM.

I'm not sure why that's "gutter."

If you had half a clue about things, which you don’t you’d still be a full clue off.

[mvp 78]

34 minutes ago, notin said:

They not only fired Fatse, they fired his assistant.  And, according to some sources, his mom…

Ouch

[mvp 78]

29 minutes ago, Jean-Sébastien Blouin said:

What's the Dustin Pedroia rumor?

There isn’t one

[notin]

4 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Assistant hitting coach Dillon Lawson was also canned.  Interestingly, Varitek is being moved to another position in the organization.

Carrabis  thinks Varitek is also fired but the org didn’t want to announce as much…

[oldtimer]

I recommend hiring a hard ass manager who expect performance, or else.

My guess is Cora said if you just wait, things will get better. I am over 85 and am sick of seeing the same poor start,  year to year. I had thought 2026 would be a year of growth, instead the Sox are already in a big hole. 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I don't know what to make of this mess and who to blame. I only know that once again my team is embarrassing, after a lifetime of watching mostly winning Red Sox teams with respected organizations.

I was a bit still in Cora's corner, he won a ring and that just carries so much weight with me. I'm not sure what a manager is supposed to do with a lineup incapable of putting up runs consistently.  But he does seem to play bad players out of loyalty too often and I guess something had to be done.  But I don't see anything saving this season.  

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

I recommend hiring a hard ass manager who expect performance, or else.

My guess is Cora said if you just wait, things will get better. I am over 85 and am sick of seeing the same poor start,  year to year. I had thought 2026 would be a year of growth, instead the Sox are already in a big hole. 

Ah, that didn’t work in 2012. They need a manager that can work with young players and not whine about it like Cora did.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

I don't know what to make of this mess and who to blame. I only know that once again my team is embarrassing, after a lifetime of watching mostly winning Red Sox teams with respected organizations.

I was a bit still in Cora's corner, he won a ring and that just carries so much weight with me. I'm not sure what a manager is supposed to do with a lineup incapable of putting up runs consistently.  But he does seem to play bad players out of loyalty too often and I guess something had to be done.  But I don't see anything saving this season.  

No playoffs, but maybe they can actually change tack for the future.

[jad]

31 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

I recommend hiring a hard ass manager who expect performance, or else.

My guess is Cora said if you just wait, things will get better. I am over 85 and am sick of seeing the same poor start,  year to year. I had thought 2026 would be a year of growth, instead the Sox are already in a big hole. 

Bobby Valentine still available?

[Hitch]

I don't like celebrating people losing their jobs, but from a purely sporting lens, I really like these moves. This team has been under prepared coming into seasons for years. The defence has been absolutely awful, there's been idiocy on the basepaths and the hitting as has been terrible for years. Yes some of that is the roster supplied. But I put a lot of it on the way the players are prepared. 

This is not my point but I wholly agree with it - Cora is one of the best managers you can get when you've got a monster roster full of winners. He is able to manage those egos and that talent exceptionally well. He's less good when it's a young/developing team. 

I love the promotion of Tracy. This is a guy that has a long history with a lot of these guys and is used to dealing with youth. There'll be learning mistakes as he makes decisions on the fly rather than being told how to manager the youth player schedules, etc.  But you got to start sometime, and expectations are rock bottom now, so it's a good as time as any. 

As for Brez, he'll rightly get at least until the end of the season (or close thereof). Then they will re access. if it comes around and the team starts hitting and pitching better, he'll get another go at it. If they don't they have clear air to say 'sorry, this failure is on you, now, too.' 

But overall - I'm just glad we did something because this has not been fun for a while now.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

We already had qualified GMs turn down the Red Sox job because of the turnover at the position in Boston.  I have no idea if this is on Brez or JH but firing yet another GM will be a bad look.  

[Hugh2]

Haven’t been posting for a while because work has been about as crazy as it’s ever been for me and honestly, this Sox team has just been depressing.

ive been a supporter of both Breslow and Cora in the past, and while im starting to sour on Breslow I don’t think Cora is to blame.  
You can’t make chicken soup out of chicken s***; Cora was handed a flawed roster and everyone has underperformed.  I’m not sure any manager in existence could of done much better.

What is 100% the most disappointing here is ownership.  They’re scapegoating the coaching staff but it’s their roster and it’s Henry’s money.

i get what Henry has done for this team and you can’t never take that away.  But this is not the same John Henry, unless the ghost of John Henry past starts possessing his body this will not change.  They can fire all the coaches, they can fire Breslow and bring in the next guy and that next guy will also swing and miss on the Sotos, the Alonso’s, and the Bregmans just the same because at the end of the day…..it all comes down to John Henry.

 

edit: despite those feelings on not faulting Cora, I’m not whole heartedly against the shake up.  I’m just very dissatisfied at the conditions and the actors who all played a role in it coming to this.

[Hugh2]

4 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

We already had qualified GMs turn down the Red Sox job because of the turnover at the position in Boston.  I have no idea if this is on Brez or JH but firing yet another GM will be a bad look.  

If they fire Breslow, who the hell would ever take this job?

I think of it like this, I’m not going to work for you if I can see your company is crap, the product is horrible, and the last 3 guys were fired after only a few years and scapegoated.

If Breslow goes, Sox will have to either pay insane premiums to bring in a quality guy (and that might not be enough) or hire from within