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Here is my ETAs:

This weekend: Coulombe

July 1st: Crochet

July 15: Anthony, Romy & Oviedo

August 1st: Crawford

2027: Story & Houck

Will never play a game for the Sox: Sandoval

Posted
6 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Here is my ETAs:

This weekend: Coulombe

July 1st: Crochet

July 15: Anthony, Romy & Oviedo

August 1st: Crawford

2027: Story & Houck

Will never play a game for the Sox: Sandoval

Sandoval 😂  if it was up to me, i'd fire the f***ing idiot that suggested we sign that loser.

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Posted
12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Here is my ETAs:

This weekend: Coulombe

July 1st: Crochet

July 15: Anthony, Romy & Oviedo

August 1st: Crawford

2027: Story & Houck

Will never play a game for the Sox: Sandoval

You think Anthony will be out until mid-July? If so, this season is cooked. 

Posted
56 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You think Anthony will be out until mid-July? If so, this season is cooked. 

The decade might be cooked if the Red Sox have to count on middle of the order hitters who keep hurting themselves doing the one thing they're being counted on: to swing hard.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The decade might be cooked if the Red Sox have to count on middle of the order hitters who keep hurting themselves doing the one thing they're being counted on: to swing hard.

I think baseball turning into the max velo and max ev factory is why there are so many injuries. Max effort on every pitch and every swing is dumb and bad for a long career. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think baseball turning into the max velo and max ev factory is why there are so many injuries. Max effort on every pitch and every swing is dumb and bad for a long career. 

Agree. Just read somewhere the Sox' one untouchable in trade talks -- even for Alvarez -- should be Tolle. 

Love him, but can't see why Tolle won't blow out his elbow in the next year or two. Early? Maybe not; he seems to have a more mechanically sound delivery. 

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4 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Agree. Just read somewhere the Sox' one untouchable in trade talks -- even for Alvarez -- should be Tolle. 

Love him, but can't see why Tolle won't blow out his elbow in the next year or two. Early? Maybe not; he seems to have a more mechanically sound delivery. 

Tolle has the much higher ceiling. Early seems like a 3-4. Tolle seems like a 2-3 and maybe a 1-2 at his peak. So many guys go down with injuries now that it's really hard to project who won't get injured.

Now that Tolle has a more refined pitch mix, it's much harder to deal him.

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Posted
23 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Crochet:

Expected return: First or second week in June
Status: Threw his third side session in the span of a week, this time two innings, on May 20. Will throw one more short bullpen before facing hitters at some point early next week.

Coulombe:

Expected return: Possibly start of homestand on May 22
Status: Made second appearance of Minors rehab assignment on May 19, allowing a hit and a run over two-thirds of an inning for Triple-A Worcester. 

Anthony:

Expected return: Will miss at least several more days.
Status: Anthony tried to resume swinging on May 18, but experienced soreness. He will try to pick up a bat again at the start of the next homestand on May 22. (Updated 5/18)

Story:

Expected return: Will miss several weeks
Status: Went to Philadelphia to seek a third opinion from Dr. William Meyers on the best source of action for his sports hernia injury. If Story has surgery, he could be out six to 10 weeks. 

Sandoval:

Expected return: Mid to late June at earliest
Status: Threw a side session for first time in several weeks on May 15. (Updated 5/15)

Crawford:

Expected return: No earlier than June
Status: Has been playing catch out to 90 feet and will continue to increase volume of throws and distance as he goes. (Updated 5/12)

Oviedo:

Expected return: No earlier than July
Status: Will soon start forearm strengthening exercises with an eye toward throwing by mid-June.

Romy:

Expected return: June at earliest
Status: Has been playing catch in recent days and hopes to start swinging on May 15. (Updated 5/12)

Casas:

Expected return: June or July at earliest
Status: Expected to visit a doctor soon to gauge if any progress is being made. (Updated 5/12)

Houck:

Expected return: Aiming for late '26
Status: Making 75 throws out to 105 feet three days a week, and 30 throws at 60 feet three days a week while throwing changeups those days. Targeting mound work in late June. (Updated 5/13)

These are all useless from what the original timetable was. Take little Anthony for example, and the day to day.

Posted
8 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

Sandoval 😂  if it was up to me, i'd fire the f***ing idiot that suggested we sign that loser.

These sort of signing have been such a blight.

In theory, signing one guy for $100M x 5 should work better than...

$39M/2 Giolito

$19M/2 Sandoval

$10M/1 Richards

$10M/1 Kluber

$10M/1 Paxton

$10M/2 Hendriks

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

These sort of signing have been such a blight.

In theory, signing one guy for $100M x 5 should work better than...

$39M/2 Giolito

$19M/2 Sandoval

$10M/1 Richards

$10M/1 Kluber

$10M/1 Paxton

$10M/2 Hendriks

Giolito got injured AFTER getting signed, but was useful his second year. 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

These sort of signing have been such a blight.

In theory, signing one guy for $100M x 5 should work better than...

$39M/2 Giolito

$19M/2 Sandoval

$10M/1 Richards

$10M/1 Kluber

$10M/1 Paxton

$10M/2 Hendriks

 

And in theory the pitchers in that $20mill AAV range on mid/short term deals  over the past few seasons include Sean Manaea, Yusei Kikuchi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Chris Bassitt, Martín Pérez, Nathan Eovaldi, and Taijuan Walker.  Not since 2022 (Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman) has there been a really good pitcher in the $20mill AAV range on a mid/short deal that we have missed out on. $20 mill just doesn’t buy what it used to.

Unless you want to count Sonny Gray, which I didn’t for an obvious reason.

Im ok with gambling, especially if you include the success stories (Wacha, for example.  Also Giolito was not a total flop.)

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Posted
22 minutes ago, notin said:

And in theory the pitchers in that $20mill AAV range on mid/short term deals  over the past few seasons include Sean Manaea, Yusei Kikuchi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Chris Bassitt, Martín Pérez, Nathan Eovaldi, and Taijuan Walker.  Not since 2022 (Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman) has there been a really good pitcher in the $20mill AAV range on a mid/short deal that we have missed out on. $20 mill just doesn’t buy what it used to.

Unless you want to count Sonny Gray, which I didn’t for an obvious reason.

Im ok with gambling, especially if you include the success stories (Wacha, for example.  Also Giolito was not a total flop.)

Bassitt 3/63 (21 AAV) was a fine deal for TOR. 

Eovaldi's first deal with TEX was fine. His second deal is up for debate (almost 4 fWAR last year).

Do you feel like we missed out on Robbie Ray? 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Bassitt 3/63 (21 AAV) was a fine deal for TOR. 

Eovaldi's first deal with TEX was fine. His second deal is up for debate (almost 4 fWAR last year).

Do you feel like we missed out on Robbie Ray? 

Ray has very good “ when healthy”.  But really, “when healthy” is going to be an important factor when signing 30+ year old pitchers to deals 5 years or longer.

Bassitt was Giolito on a longer deal.  Two good seasons for Toronto on a 3 year deal.  4.8 bWAR total vs Giolito and his 2.1 bWAR for his one year he pitched.

But even if you like the occasional name on that list, the takeaway is the $20mill AAV 3-5 year contracts for pitchers are a complete crapshoot, too.  But when they go bad, they take longer to go away.  Think the Mets are happy with Manaea right now?

Folks saying Bello’s contract makes him untradable might not realize that for his price, he’s actually not a bad deal…

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Posted
7 minutes ago, notin said:

Think the Mets are happy with Manaea right now?

Folks saying Bello’s contract makes him untradable might not realize that for his price, he’s actually not a bad deal…

Unlike a certain poster, I didn't want to sign Manaea.

It's not that Brayan Bello's contract makes him untradeable, just that it greatly diminishes the return. 

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Posted
Just now, mvp 78 said:

Unlike a certain poster, I didn't want to sign Manaea.

It's not that Brayan Bello's contract makes him untradeable, just that it greatly diminishes the return. 

Why would anyone openly campaign for Sean Manaea? He’s the pitching personification of “meh”.  
 

If I have ever mentioned him in the past, it was solely due to either limited alternatives or illegal narcotics…

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Posted
9 minutes ago, notin said:

Why would anyone openly campaign for Sean Manaea? He’s the pitching personification of “meh”.  
 

If I have ever mentioned him in the past, it was solely due to either limited alternatives or illegal narcotics…

Drugs Psychadelic GIF by merkinspurlock

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Posted
12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Drugs Psychadelic GIF by merkinspurlock

Is that your impression of me with limited alternatives?

Ok, it tracks…

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Posted
7 minutes ago, notin said:

Is that your impression of me with limited alternatives?

Ok, it tracks…

I've read your posts for several years. I'm pretty sure that's what it looks like when you log in. 

Posted
19 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Here is my ETAs:

This weekend: Coulombe

July 1st: Crochet

July 15: Anthony, Romy & Oviedo

August 1st: Crawford

2027: Story & Houck

Will never play a game for the Sox: Sandoval

Realistic and depressing.

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Posted
2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I've read your posts for several years. I'm pretty sure that's what it looks like when you log in. 

Except that it’s all faster over here.  And with more multi-colored badgers.  One of which is usually carrying a vat of egg drop soup and an armless and pantsless garden gnome.  I call him Tim.  (The badger, not the gnome)

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