Third Baseman Ketel Marte Is On the Boston Red Sox's Radar

[drewski6]

I spent 5 years and $200k becoming an accountant and was over it in 10 months.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

I spent 5 years and $200k becoming an accountant and was over it in 10 months.

We need desperately to separate bookkeeping from accounting.  Almost all the stuff people do in accounting doesn't require more than a 2-year degree   The MBA is a joke.  The graduate level accounting classes I took were identical to the undergrad accounting classes I took.  And accounting is not the only profession like that.

[Duran Is The Man]

4 hours ago, drewski6 said:

https://www.overthemonster.com/red-sox-comentary/94192/will-flemming-isnt-lying-to-you-but-it-looks-like-the-red-sox-are

Great article.

really good.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

4 hours ago, drewski6 said:

https://www.overthemonster.com/red-sox-comentary/94192/will-flemming-isnt-lying-to-you-but-it-looks-like-the-red-sox-are

Great article.

"Instead, we’re getting the latest tsunami of deception, distortion, dishonesty and deceit from Red Sox higher-ups who pass down disinformation in an attempt to defend the existence of a reality they no longer care to preserve."

-- littered with alliteration and I llllove it...

... but straight Ds means barely passing.

This decade is framed by frequent Fs: frauds and falsehoods of flatuent fakery fraught with failure.

 

 

[Deja Doh]

18 hours ago, notin said:

Marte is a much, much better hitter than Albso, and it isn’t close…

Sorry, but Marte is not the power hitter or position player we need.

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, Deja Doh said:

Sorry, but Marte is not the power hitter or position player we need.

we are not getting him anyway unless Arizona eats a big chunk of his remaining 4 yr salary. Now we have moved on to Conteras and likely will cough up either Early or Tolle to get him.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

we have moved on to Conteras and likely will cough up either Early or Tolle to get him.

Contreras is underwater.  He will cost nothing.

[Randy Red Sox]

12 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Contreras is underwater.  He will cost nothing.

perfect then that is who we will get. JH LOVES guys who cost nothing.

[moonslav59]

15 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

really good.

Yes, excellent...

“If you’re always rational about every free agent, you will finish third on every free agent.”

[moonslav59]

14 hours ago, Deja Doh said:

Sorry, but Marte is not the power hitter or position player we need.

2024-2025: 40 HRs per 162. (74 total)

He's probably the best still out there.

[Randy Red Sox]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

2024-2025: 40 HRs per 162. (74 total)

He's probably the best still out there.

but not enough of a difference maker with the Sox current roster. Keep Bello, Early, and Tolle

[Randy Red Sox]

And another guy the " the Sox had shown interest in" Polanco is off the board just signing with the Mets.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

but not enough of a difference maker with the Sox current roster. Keep Bello, Early, and Tolle

Not by himself.

I have been saying we need 2 big bats for months.

Now that Alonso & Schwarber are gone, maybe the best we can do is Bregman/Suarez & Marte (assuming Mayer is part of the Marte trade.) Even then, I'm not sure it's enough.

[Duran Is The Man]

3 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

And another guy the " the Sox had shown interest in" Polanco is off the board just signing with the Mets.

just saw that.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

And another guy the " the Sox had shown interest in" Polanco is off the board just signing with the Mets.

$20M x 2 is the type of deal Brez could have made.

[Duran Is The Man]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Not by himself.

I have been saying we need 2 big bats for months.

Now that Alonso & Schwarber are gone, maybe the best we can do is Bregman & Marte (assuming Mayer is part of the Marte trade.) Even then, I'm not sure it's enough.

lots or reports on X that the Red So will not give long term deals to free agents. so....we'll never get another impact player through free agency ever again. f*** John Henry.

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

lots or reports on X that the Red So will not give long term deals to free agents. so....we'll never get another impact player through free agency ever again. f*** John Henry.

This is probably why we don't trade for KMarte, either. His deal is too long.

Hell, we can't even sign Polanco to $21M x 2.

[Randy Red Sox]

24 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

This is probably why we don't trade for KMarte, either. His deal is too long.

Hell, we can't even sign Polanco to $21M x 2.

why trade for anyone and give up assets when we could filled our needs through FA for only cash?? Oh wait-our owner is John EBENEEZER Henry.  Bah HUMBUG !!!

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

why trade for anyone and give up assets when we could filled our needs through FA for only cash?? Oh wait-our owner is John EBENEEZER Henry.  Bah HUMBUG !!!

I'd much rather sign a couple big bats.

Of course the "reason" is about money and JH & Co.

That being said, trade are justifiable when made to clear logjams and fill greater need areas as a result. We should really be doing both.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

And another guy the " the Sox had shown interest in" Polanco is off the board just signing with the Mets.

Mets gave Polanco two years.

Sox can't afford a longterm deal like that.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Mets gave Polanco two years.

Sox can't afford a longterm deal like that.

If we end up striking out, this winter, I will look back at this signing as an example of us not even being able to add plan B options that are clearly affordable under the no large and long limitations apparently imposed on Brez.

[drewski6]

18 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

We need desperately to separate bookkeeping from accounting.  Almost all the stuff people do in accounting doesn't require more than a 2-year degree   The MBA is a joke.  The graduate level accounting classes I took were identical to the undergrad accounting classes I took.  And accounting is not the only profession like that.

Who is bookkeeping? Those of us who graduated with 4 yr accounting degrees in the greater boston area (umass amherst, umass boston, bc, pc, bu, bentley, suffolk, bryant, harvard, babson, northeastern) in the early 2000-2010....None of us were bookkeeping. We were 85% financial statement auditors and 15% tax.  Bookkeepers are usually mid-age moms returning to work part time.  In 2 years, I think I booked 20 total adjusting entries, 15 of which were quite superficial. Probably the hardest thing we did (at least first 3 years) was recalculate accruals and reasonableness testing. I have 0 doubt (and know for sure) that you use a lot more of your brain as you go up the ladder, but until you get to director level, accounting work is tedious and the exact opposite of the classroom (where they taught us that being inquisitive, skeptical, and analytical would help us). In practice, they wanted us to sign off on as much as possible as quickly as possible, and applying any kind of intelligence to our profession was frowned upon.  Its no surprise that the enron era happened, as the accounting firms were negligent.

I was a financial statement auditor, graduated top of my class at bentley, went on to bentley grad while i worked full time. I found the bentley grad level courses to be easier than their undergrad versions and what shocked me the most was how 1:for:1 the grad program classes were compared to undergrad equivalents.  100% cash grab for sure.

Regarding 2 vs 4 yr degrees, the difference is lit, history, pre-law, govt, econ, writing, "study habits", psych, philosophy, soch, stats, differential equations, phsycis, bs electives are the difference.  We didnt really get into accounting at bentley until yr 3, the first 2 years were making us well rounded (but dont think its useless).  I know its popular to be pro trade anti college these days, but I can instantly tell college educated from not and have always had issues when promoting non college folks.  Theres just something missing in a corporate setting.

Accounting (not bookkeeping) was too easy for me , so i bored and left and 3 yrs later was running a pharmaceutical data analytics consulting shop. I dont regret my degree or my bentley investment. Accounting degrees are versatile, which saved me, so I went into pharmacy data analytics, taught myself SQL, and shot to the top. 

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

If we end up striking out, this winter, I will look back at this signing as an example of us not even being able to add plan B options that are clearly affordable under the no large and long limitations apparently imposed on Brez.

we should have know after seeing the last 3-4 offseasons.

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd much rather sign a couple big bats.

Of course the "reason" is about money and JH & Co.

That being said, trade are justifiable when made to clear logjams and fill greater need areas as a result. We should really be doing both.

if we trade from a surplus of OF or from SP not named Crochet, Gray, Bello, Early, or Tolle then fine

[JoeBrady]

4 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

And another guy the " the Sox had shown interest in" Polanco is off the board just signing with the Mets.

IMO, another awful signing by the Mets.  $20M for a DH. maybe a 1B?

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, drewski6 said:

In practice, they wanted us to sign off on as much as possible as quickly as possible

When I started, the auditors did serious digging.  Now they spend more time on check lists.  I did my thesis on the some of the financial fiascos from the early '90s (Barings, Sumitomo copper, etc.).  The audits were worthless.  In the Barings case, the perpetrator sent a confirmation, supposedly from a US bank, from his home computer.  He forgot that he programmed his fax machine to have a header "From <him and his wife>.  The auditor never caught it.  

[Randy Red Sox]

5 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

IMO, another awful signing by the Mets.  $20M for a DH. maybe a 1B?

he didn't excite me either but he is likely better than anything we will get. Who is left that will take a 1 year deal?

[notin]

21 hours ago, Deja Doh said:

Sorry, but Marte is not the power hitter or position player we need.

If you think Alonso was anything more than a convenient alternative, this conversation is over…

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

he didn't excite me either but he likely better than anything we will get. Who is left that will take a 1 year deal?

I'd say it is very unlikely that we don't acquire a player better than Polanco.  If I thought he could play 2nd, I still wouldn't do it  But at least it's an opening.  But for $26M, we could probably get Bregman, and that's not close talent-wise.  We can't bemoan losing some very overpaid FAs that aren't even good fits.  Someone else in one of the other threads mentioned that we lost 'Mays'.  I realize in retrospect that he meant May, but who the heck thinks of May as someone that we missed on?

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I'd say it is very unlikely that we don't acquire a player better than Polanco.  If I thought he could play 2nd, I still wouldn't do it  But at least it's an opening.  But for $26M, we could probably get Bregman, and that's not close talent-wise.  We can't bemoan losing some very overpaid FAs that aren't even good fits.  Someone else in one of the other threads mentioned that we lost 'Mays'.  I realize in retrospect that he meant May, but who the heck thinks of May as someone that we missed on?

Even if we do sign Bregman that only gets us back to where we ended 2025. Others in the AL East are getting better. No way do I give Bregman 5 years either. He already took us for 40 million this past season for 2/3 of the year.  BTW-what happened to the $$$ saved on the Devers dump/fire sale?