Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[JoeBrady]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

We love you Moon

I love Moon too, but he said that adding only the #2 FA + Gray was awful.  Almost every team would be pretty happy with that.  And he is by no means the most entitled.

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

maybe top 3 in ALE

At this point, Im more comfortable saying top 4.  But we'll see.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

I love Moon too, but he said that adding only the #2 FA + Gray was awful.  Almost every team would be pretty happy with that.  And he is by no means the most entitled.

Wake me up when we sign the #2 FA.

[oldtimer]

14 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

That's something some posters fail to acknowledge.  We won't get everyone on their wish list.  It's a 0-sum game.  What we would've spent on Alonso is money we cannot spend elsewhere.  And then when we don't wind up signing Alonso, Bichette, and Bregman, it will be because JH is evil.

I have been a fan since 1947 and have watched the Sox go through a variety of scenarios. In this period, Breslow acknowledged the team needs and indicated that the front office would be aggressive in fulfilling those needs. I look at the results to date and have seen misses in all of our stated need areas. We are through the Winter meetings with nothing accomplished. It appears to be more of the same and it seems to be directed by Henry. 

[JoeBrady]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

This is a trap and we arent going to fall for it. 

Well, that is exactly why I posted the number.  I understand and agree that henry should spend commensurate with his revenue.  But some will call him cheap no matter how much he spends.  And not because he isn't spending, but because he isn't spending on the player(s) that that particular poster wants.

Acquiring Okamoto, Kim, and Greene would make this one of the best off-seasons in BB history, and some posters will still complain.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Acquiring Okamoto, Kim, and Greene would make this one of the best off-seasons in BB history, and some posters will still complain.

In baseball history? 

[JoeBrady]

5 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

It appears to be more of the same and it seems to be directed by Henry. 

We could make a simple deal.  If Henry does nothing else, I will agree that it is a bad off-season.  If he adds one more big piece, it is neutral.  And if he adds 2 more big pieces, it is a good off-season.  Anyone interested?

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Wake me up when we sign the #2 FA.

No way just Gray and Bichette make us better than 2025.

fine if anyone disagrees but acting like my position is absurd is kinda strange to me

 

[drewski6]

6 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Well, that is exactly why I posted the number.  I understand and agree that henry should spend commensurate with his revenue.  But some will call him cheap no matter how much he spends.  And not because he isn't spending, but because he isn't spending on the player(s) that that particular poster wants.

Acquiring Okamoto, Kim, and Greene would make this one of the best off-seasons in BB history, and some posters will still complain.

No, replacing Devers and Bregman with Okamoto and Kim does not make one of the best offseason in bb history lol, and again, you continue to overlook that there are multiple ways to get to the same payroll number.

We are sick of the third tier shopping, we are sick of the overpaid AAV 1 year deals, we are sick of always finding an excuse to not get more elite players.

We have one elite player Crochet, who we locked up at a discount.  This team has gone up 2b in value in the last 5-7 years, and its frankly unacceptable.

[FredLynn]

13 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I love Moon too, but he said that adding only the #2 FA + Gray was awful.  Almost every team would be pretty happy with that.  And he is by no means the most entitled.

As of now we are probably better than only the Rays in the division. Gray will make a fine #4 SP. We have holes everywhere and Henry and Breslow have shown no inclination to fill them with quality players. Likely going to be yet ANOTHER summer where we hold our noses from the stench of the franchise.

[UtahSox]

4 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Well, that is exactly why I posted the number.  I understand and agree that henry should spend commensurate with his revenue.  But some will call him cheap no matter how much he spends.  And not because he isn't spending, but because he isn't spending on the player(s) that that particular poster wants.

Acquiring Okamoto, Kim, and Greene would make this one of the best off-seasons in BB history, and some posters will still complain.

To be determined on the call of “one of the greatest off-season in baseball” …. 

I think Okamoto stats are a little bit of a TBD, and although Japanese players have had a great track record of translating into MLB, Yoshida is fresh on the minds of most of us Red Sox fans. Even though he was probably our best hitter September 20th on…. Who knows maybe he builds on that and has a great year in 2026? But I think that’s why we are hesitant about Okamoto. 
So far 2026 watching the Orioles and Blue Jays spend doesn’t help. If we get Greene that deal will be awesome, but if the Reds are even remotely smart it will hurt, like really bad. So yes, you will get opinions. 
 

but I’d take that move in a heart beat, and apologize for thinking linearly (Alonso) when Breslow said he needs a big thumper bat in middle of line up. 
 

 

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

No, replacing Devers and Bregman with Okamoto and Kim does not make one of the best offseason in bb history lol, and again, you continue to overlook that there are multiple ways to get to the same payroll number.

We are sick of the third tier shopping, we are sick of the overpaid AAV 1 year deals, we are sick of always finding an excuse to not get more elite players.

We have one elite player Crochet, who we locked up at a discount.  This team has gone up 2b in value in the last 5-7 years, and its frankly unacceptable.

Brady has the warped opinion that by getting Okamoto and Green and Kim we will suddenly be able to compete in the division. We won't and anyone who has been paying attention knows this. Dumpster diving by Henry is absolutely pathetic. Its disrespectful of the loyal fan base. I think we have two elite players: Crochet and Anthony, and we are about to waste the window to compete for a ring that their presence provides.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

To be determined on the call of “one of the greatest off-season in baseball” …. 

I think Okamoto stats are a little bit of a TBD, and although Japanese players have had a great track record of translating into MLB, Yoshida is fresh on the minds of most of us Red Sox fans. Even though he was probably our best hitter September 20th on…. Who knows maybe he builds on that and has a great year in 2026? But I think that’s why we are hesitant about Okamoto. 
So far 2026 watching the Orioles and Blue Jays spend doesn’t help. If we get Greene that deal will be awesome, but if the Reds are even remotely smart it will hurt, like really bad. So yes, you will get opinions. 
 

but I’d take that move in a heart beat, and apologize for thinking linearly (Alonso) when Breslow said he needs a big thumper bat in middle of line up. 
 

 

Yeah right. We need a "big thumper in the lineup" like we were going "full throttle" last year (or was it the year before-I forget since all the years seem so similar).

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

No way just Gray and Bichette make us better than 2025.

fine if anyone disagrees but acting like my position is absurd is kinda strange to me

 

Nobody knows what will happen until the games are played on the field. You could bring back the exact same lineup, and most likely you wouldn’t get the same results. I know the object is to make the Red Sox look better at least on paper, and there is still a long way to go until opening day. Even ST for that matter where good, and bad things can happen, and most likely will.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Brady has the warped opinion that by getting Okamoto and Green and Kim we will suddenly be able to compete in the division. We won't and anyone who has been paying attention knows this. Dumpster diving by Henry is absolutely pathetic. Its disrespectful of the loyal fan base. I think we have two elite players: Crochet and Anthony, and we are about to waste the window to compete for a ring that their presence provides.

getting green would be huge!

the two others combined would make us top 3 in the ALE.

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

getting green would be huge!

the two others combined would make us top 3 in the ALE.

Last year we made the playoffs. Big improvement. This year I expect more. We have a window to compete for a ring. Its time Breslow and the cheapskate go all in to bring it home.

Yeah, getting Greene would be an excellent start. Still need help on the offensive side. 

Chances of any of that happening given the history of this franchise: near zero.

[Larry Cook]

32 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Who are the elite players on this team in their prime? I mean core.

I think very few players in their prime actually. 

duran. 
Whitlock, houck (injured) 
 

 

 

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Last year we made the playoffs. Big improvement. This year I expect more. We have a window to compete for a ring. Its time Breslow and the cheapskate go all in to bring it home.

Yeah, getting Greene would be an excellent start. Still need help on the offensive side. 

Chances of any of that happening given the history of this franchise: near zero.

Getting Greene would lessen the need for offense, maybe from 2 big bats to one.

we both want the team to improve, and there are more than one way to do that

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Getting Greene would lessen the need for offense, maybe from 2 big bats to one.

we both want the team to improve, and there are more than one way to do that

Agree. Greene plus a very good RHH bat would be a successful offseason. I do not think that the two Japanese players should count though. They are unproven. I am referring to a proven OPS bat who has hit over .800 OPS consistently. There are a few question marks who may also make an impact in 2026: Casas, Mayer, and Campbell. Not counting on them very much but it could happen.

Meanwhile, we are not getting Greene OR a "thumper in the middle of the lineup" (as Breslow termed it). 

[moonslav59]

58 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Last year we made the playoffs. Big improvement. This year I expect more. We have a window to compete for a ring. Its time Breslow and the cheapskate go all in to bring it home.

Yeah, getting Greene would be an excellent start. Still need help on the offensive side. 

Chances of any of that happening given the history of this franchise: near zero.

Recent history was Crochet, Bregman, Chapman and a $21M and $18M/2 pitcher who failed.

[Kimmi]

On 12/10/2025 at 5:34 PM, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

And stationary! Don't forget Red Sox stationary: it's now green monster green to match the new City Connects.

Fans may not appreciate it, but Henry just told a bunch of Staples clerks, "Color printing's expensive."

Stationary is important for old-school folks like myself.

[Kimmi]

On 12/10/2025 at 5:35 PM, moonslav59 said:

I like Casas on offense a lot. I've been posting his numbers for weeks, but we can't put this window of opportunity on his shoulders, not have him share it with Anthony, Mayer and others. We also have to factor in new injuries and regressions from a few players. It happens every year.

We expected more from Abreu, but got more from Story, instead.

We expected more from Houck, but got shocked by Gio, instead.

We were hopeful on DHam and or Campbell and then watched Romy steal the show.

We ended up counting on Lowe, Romy, Matz, Early, Tolle and Weissert. Sure, there will be some upticks from guys like them, but we can't just run back the same team and expect better. It does happen, sometimes, but when you see a team like this- poised to explode, why not go a little overkill. Maybe not like DD did in 2018, but something to make us noticeably better.

Please don't say Sonny Gray is going to lead us to the mountain top.

We can never know for sure what we will get from players, even the so-called superstars.  Even if we had signed someone like Schwarber or Alonso, perhaps they have a really bad down year or, heaven forbid, a season-ending injury early in the season.  It's all a risk.

That being the case, the importance of quality depth cannot be overstated.  Whoever we decide to go with as our starting players, the Plan B needs to be solid enough to carry us through when the inevitable happens.  Production often comes from unexpected places.

[Kimmi]

On 12/10/2025 at 5:36 PM, moonslav59 said:

It's not like Alonso was the next Soto, but it makes you think, if the offer to Soto was legit, why can't we afford Alonso?

We should have been able to afford Alonso.

[Kimmi]

On 12/10/2025 at 5:40 PM, UtahSox said:

Breslow also promised to be aggressive at trade deadline, he also promised to fix the pop in the middle of the lineup. Dude is a chronic cuckold. 

I am not one who necessarily agrees with the opinions of many on this forum when it comes to spending, but I do agree that it's not a good look when the fanbase continually feels deceived or lied to.  

[Kimmi]

On 12/10/2025 at 5:51 PM, JoeBrady said:

• 12/11/24 we traded for Crochet.
• 12/10/24 we signed Chapman
• 2/15/25 we signed Bregman

It's early.

We need to be patient, which I understand can be hard to do when you see free agents being signed by other teams.  Sometimes good deals are made early.  Sometimes (I believe you mentioned the JD signing) being patient pays off.  Sometimes, there are deals in the works that we have no idea are being discussed.  These things take time.  Let's see where we stand in March. 

[Nick]

38 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

We need to be patient, which I understand can be hard to do when you see free agents being signed by other teams.  Sometimes good deals are made early.  Sometimes (I believe you mentioned the JD signing) being patient pays off.  Sometimes, there are deals in the works that we have no idea are being discussed.  These things take time.  Let's see where we stand in March. 

I am going to quit wishing for something that may never come.

We'll need to continue to develop young talent and sign them early to an extension. 

That seems to be our modus operandi. 

I guess I should be more concerned with plethora of injuries.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

We can never know for sure what we will get from players, even the so-called superstars.  Even if we had signed someone like Schwarber or Alonso, perhaps they have a really bad down year or, heaven forbid, a season-ending injury early in the season.  It's all a risk.

That being the case, the importance of quality depth cannot be overstated.  Whoever we decide to go with as our starting players, the Plan B needs to be solid enough to carry us through when the inevitable happens.  Production often comes from unexpected places.

I agree. For all we know Anthony, Mayer and Casas could outshine most of the big bats signed this winter, and I'm talking just for 2026. Going forward, they might be the wiser bet to do better, but I still think Schwarber and Alonso have 2-3 big years in them and feel their 2-3 year numbers will eclipse lesser FAs signed and any in system players on the Sox, except maybe Anthony.

We already got 300+ good PAs from Anthony, so if he gives us 650+ in 2026, it's a nice boost, but it's not a total boost.

Signing Bichette would replace Bregman and maybe Ref's total PAs, and may not even match their combined production.

I do like depth, especially with pitching, but trading Duran still leaves Campbell as depth and I know Brez & Co still see Masa as a LF option. (I'd prefer he stay an emergency option, but...)

Masa in LF would have allowed Casas to DH, had we signed Alonso. Or, Casas at 1B and Schwarber at DH. In both cases, Duran was available to trade for a solid #2 (Ryan, Lodolo, Ragans, ___?) or a 2Bman (KMarte, BLowe + Y Diaz?)

I'm not thrilled with the idea, but I think we'd have enough depth with Romy onboard, and if we wanted to, we could sign Ref for one more season. He loves Boston, and Boston loves him!

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

We should have been able to afford Alonso.

And while JH & Co. might view 5 years as large and LONG, it's not 6-10 years.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

I am not one who necessarily agrees with the opinions of many on this forum when it comes to spending, but I do agree that it's not a good look when the fanbase continually feels deceived or lied to.  

The "full throttle" was so absurdly over-the-top and disingenuous that everything that comes after is doubted and should be. Plus, much of what they said after that has not come true.

It's been a never-ending spiraling sham.

[UtahSox]

5 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

I think very few players in their prime actually. 

duran. 
Whitlock, houck (injured) 
 

 

 

Crochet, Bello, story, Duran. Prime is always defined in retrospect so we will see who is where.