Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[drewski6]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

Anything to back that up?

Before trading Devers, their biggest move Sox scored 355 run in 73 games, an average of 4.86 RPG.

After trading Devers, their biggest move Sox scored 431 runs in 89 games, or 4.84 RPG.  

That difference of 1 run every 50 games is inconsequential.  Sure, Roman Anthony was a huge factor, but that means they’ve already replaced Devers and not that they still need to…

Too complacent.

[Larry Cook]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Did you just refer to Hicks and Yoshida as “trade assets”?

If we kick in some cash, yoshida is a slight improvement over some of the royals outfielders 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's true, the Red Sox already replaced Devers' power production after he was traded.

Of the new guys who got to play more after June 15, Anthony blasted 8 home runs, Yoshida came off the IL to poleaxe 4, Mayer slammed 1 more (then got hurt), Eaton launched 1, and eventually Nate Lowe joined and crushed 2.

That's 16 total HRs -- EVEN MORE THAN RAFFY'S 15 IN BOSTON!

And just to show that power is more than taters, the following second-half Sox combined to pop 31 doubles to Devers' puny 18: Masa 11, Sogard 8, Lowe 6, Eaton 4, Password 1, and Sabol 1!

WE GOT THIS!

[Hitch]

4 hours ago, notin said:

I absolutely love that idea.

Duran ($49.5mill) and Abreu ($26.2) give a surplus value of $75.7mill to SD.  This is just shy of Tatis ($83.2mill)

Adding in a single player like Mikey Romero (8.3), Jhostnyxon Garcia (7.8), or Kyle Harrison (9.4) makes it a fair trade package on that metric.  I imagine they prefer Harrison. Young, cheap pitching is like a trump card in these deals…

I don't know if Preller is in love with Duran enough to consider pissing off the natives with this deal, but it's been floating in my head since around the deadline last year. If you sent Campbell as well you're not a million miles off being close to equal on the LT as well. But I suspect SD wouldn't want his contract as they're looking to shed some. 

I'd happily include any of the players you've mentioned there.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I don't know if Preller is in love with Duran enough to consider pissing off the natives with this deal, but it's been floating in my head since around the deadline last year. If you sent Campbell as well you're not a million miles off being close to equal on the LT as well. But I suspect SD wouldn't want his contract as they're looking to shed some. 

I'd happily include any of the players you've mentioned there.

San Diego is reportedly looking to shed contracts, but more likely the ones attached to Cronenworth, Musgrove, Darvish, and quite possibly Bogaerts.

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

San Diego is reportedly looking to shed contracts, but more likely the ones attached to Cronenworth, Musgrove, Darvish, and quite possibly Bogaerts.

Definitely, but they've got next to no chance of shifting Darvish or Bogaerts. 

Bogey must pinch himself daily at getting that contract. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Anything to back that up?

Before trading Devers, their biggest move Sox scored 355 run in 73 games, an average of 4.86 RPG.

After trading Devers, their biggest move Sox scored 431 runs in 89 games, or 4.84 RPG.  

That difference of 1 run every 50 games is inconsequential.  Sure, Roman Anthony was a huge factor, but that means they’ve already replaced Devers and not that they still need to…

 

[notin]

3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Definitely, but they've got next to no chance of shifting Darvish or Bogaerts. 

Bogey must pinch himself daily at getting that contract. 

He should probably stop pinching himself.  It’s clearly affecting his game.

The sad part for the Padres is that contract is the fault of Trea Turner’s wife…

[drewski6]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

San Diego is reportedly looking to shed contracts, but more likely the ones attached to Cronenworth, Musgrove, Darvish, and quite possibly Bogaerts.

For sure Bogaerts.

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

He should probably stop pinching himself.  It’s clearly affecting his game.

The sad part for the Padres is that contract is the fault of Trea Turner’s wife…

Bogaerts has -80 trade value units, to Tatis' 83 

I would do Cedanne,  and Harrison for Bogaerts (they eat half , so hes -40 units) and Tatis

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Anything to back that up?

Before trading Devers, their biggest move Sox scored 355 run in 73 games, an average of 4.86 RPG.

After trading Devers, their biggest move Sox scored 431 runs in 89 games, or 4.84 RPG.  

That difference of 1 run every 50 games is inconsequential.  Sure, Roman Anthony was a huge factor, but that means they’ve already replaced Devers and not that they still need to…

Nothing to back it up, but speculation that with Devers in those 89 games with Roman in a bunch of those games that the Red Sox would have scored more runs than they scored without Devers. I would also add that with Raffy’s past history against the Yankees that he might not only have made a difference, but the difference in the postseason. Roman shouldn’t have been a replacement for Devers, but an addition to Devers IMO.

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Bogaerts has -80 trade value units, to Tatis' 83 

I would do Cedanne,  and Harrison for Bogaerts (they eat half , so hes -40 units) and Tatis

I do not want any part of that Bogey contract, no matter who we're getting back.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

He should probably stop pinching himself.  It’s clearly affecting his game.

The sad part for the Padres is that contract is the fault of Trea Turner’s wife…

He's been worth it to the Padres the first 3 seasons according to the FanGraphs formula. Probably won't continue to be that way at some point. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I do not want any part of that Bogey contract, no matter who we're getting back.

What if you only have to take on 1/2? 

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What if you only have to take on 1/2? 

8 years at $12.5m a year is still too much for me. It would have to be some package coming back. 

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He's been worth it to the Padres the first 3 seasons according to the FanGraphs formula. Probably won't continue to be that way at some point. 

I agree, Gleybar Torres got 22m and Bogaerts is better.

Inflation is real, we'll just have a revolving door of one-and-dones at a similar AAV.
 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, Hitch said:

8 years at $12.5m a year is still too much for me. It would have to be some package coming back. 

The package is Tatis

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

The package is Tatis

But you're also giving away Ceddane and Harrison. No thanks.

Throw Massa in there, too and you might have me,

[notin]

17 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Nothing to back it up, but speculation that with Devers in those 89 games with Roman in a bunch of those games that the Red Sox would have scored more runs than they scored without Devers. I would also add that with Raffy’s past history against the Yankees that he might not only have made a difference, but the difference in the postseason. Roman shouldn’t have been a replacement for Devers, but an addition to Devers IMO.

And Roman would have been an addition, but Devers chose the Path of Entitlement. 
 

Barring any huge deals, the Sox are likely to add two players, most likely infielders.  These “We’ve Got To Replace” lists have gotten out of hand and it seems like too many have forgotten this was never a stacked offense.  “We’ve got to replace Bregman. And Duran.  And Devers.  And Casas.  But starting Casas replace Casas!”8  It’s like Anthony and Mayer and a few others were never seriously considered teammates.

 

The Sox need two infielders.  They may make improvements beyond that, but the NEED is too infielders, including one first baseman.”

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, Hitch said:

But you're also giving away Ceddane and Harrison. No thanks.

Throw Massa in there, too and you might have me,

Really? Youd let a #9 hitter and a low velo #6 pitcher stop you from getting Tatis and Boegarts at 12.5m, which btw if hes above average at 3b defensively and average hitting, thats a steal.

[drewski6]

Just now, notin said:

And Roman would have been an addition, but Devers chose the Path of Entitlement. 
 

Barring any huge deals, the Sox are likely to add two players, most likely infielders.  These “We’ve Got To Replace” lists have gotten out of hand and it seems like too many have forgotten this was never a stacked offense.  “We’ve got to replace Bregman. And Duran.  And Devers.  And Casas.  But starting Casas replace Casas!”8  It’s like Anthony and Mayer and a few others were never seriously considered teammates.

 

The Sox need two infielders.  They may make improvements beyond that, but the NEED is too infielders, including one first baseman.”

What they need are two .850 or better bats.  Positions are dead.

[drewski6]

Tatis being a great example that positions are dead.

[Hitch]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Really? Youd let a #9 hitter and a low velo #6 pitcher stop you from getting Tatis and Boegarts at 12.5m, which btw if hes above average at 3b defensively and average hitting, thats a steal.

The best defensive Cfer in the game and a highly rated starting pitcher. Bogaerts will be a disaster here on out. Tatis is worth a lot but I'd rather we trade from our strength to get him than load up on a terrible and very long contract. 

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Is Devers really a loss?  The team was so much better once he left…

You think out offense is better without him?

Our DH numbers plummeted after his loss.

I get the mantra that 300 more PAs from Anthony can take up some of the slack, but What about the full 850 or so PAs lost by Devers and Bregman? And then Ref and Lowe?

.905 Devers in 334 PAs

.838 Ref in 209 PAs

.821 Bregman in 495 PAs, (even bringing Breggie back of .780ish Bichette is not replacing in kind.)

.790 Lowe in 119 PAs

These 4 guys are the equivalent of 2 players at 550+ PAs.

We need 2 bigs bats. I'm fine with one being a sideways signing like Bregman or Bichette to replace Bregman & Lowe (.800ish)

But, we need a .900 hitter to replace Devers and Ref.

In a sense, doing both just keeps us at status quo.

Maybe some young guys step up, but we could see downturns from Story, Duran, Rafaela and Narvaez. We could also see the dreaded "Sophomore Slump."

[JoeBrady]

16 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

the New York radio guys say he asked Texas about Corey seiger????

Interesting, but I doubt it.  Good player, but a lefty, injury-prone, and expensive.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Interesting, but I doubt it.  Good player, but a lefty, injury-prone, and expensive.

TEX will have to give money, but how much?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Trade Hamilton for Yandy Diaz, and sign Bichette (because Bregman's agent will stall the entire winter), and be done with big names. Let future GM Cora and future Manager Pedroia figure who plays where in the infield: Diaz, Bichette, Story, Mayer.

Then Breslow and Bailey's Flying Sweepers can recruit more relievers they can convert.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Trade Hamilton for Yandy Diaz, and sign Bichette (because Bregman's agent will stall the entire winter), and be done with big names. Let future GM Cora and future Manager Pedroia figure who plays where in the infield: Diaz, Bichette, Story, Mayer.

Then Breslow and Bailey's Flying Sweepers can recruit more relievers they can convert.

I'm not sure any GM likes DHam that much, but I'd jump for joy, if TBR said yes. Hell, I'd throw in Sandlin. (They might demand Casas.)

I like Bichette, but is he really "THE GUY" we end up finally going large and long on? I like the age. I'd like him at 2B, but I really want Story going there (not happening.) He does not have the power I want, but if we get him and Alonso, GREAT!

I don't think we can afford both.

I hope that not trading any big pieces to get our #2 SP'er, we'll have enough to offer AZ for Ketel Marte. He has the power we need and fill the 10 year void we've had at 2B. His AAV is just $19.4M, so we would have enough for another big signing- maybe Alonso.

I'm probably dreaming, again.

[UtahSox]

I’m on record saying Pete is the perfect fit…. But he’s also a perfect fit on a few teams. So assuming his agent plays games, I do think Bichette really could be the guy, look at his stats at Fenway. I love how he doesn’t strike out. I know his concerns at SS are range, not arm strength. Easily could be our 3b. Pairing him with Marte would be a very strong pairing and give Casas a chance to figure it out at 1st, if not you could go get willson Contreras or Yandy Diaz later in season.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

I’m on record saying Pete is the perfect fit…. But he’s also a perfect fit on a few teams. So assuming his agent plays games, I do think Bichette really could be the guy, look at his stats at Fenway. I love how he doesn’t strike out. I know his concerns at SS are range, not arm strength. Easily could be our 3b. Pairing him with Marte would be a very strong pairing and give Casas a chance to figure it out at 1st, if not you could go get willson Contreras or Yandy Diaz later in season.

Maybe the another good part of getting Bichette and KMarte is we don't have to worry about the next Mayer injury. (I'm assuming MM would be part of the KMarte deal, if not mostly all of it. I think Mayer+ Harrison gets it done on BTV, or maybe Mayer & Garcia.)