Red Sox (Bello) vs Yankees (Rodon): 10/1/25, 6:08pm

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

For the 5th and last time Hudson was not the blame. He was waving Eaton home, but Eaton was looking at the ground and not at the 3rd base coach. OK, everybody got it now?

The Sox suck at fundamentals and that is Cora's fault.

[d-money]

7 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The Sox suck at fundamentals and that is Cora's fault.

Maybr but i won’t get on cora for losing this series. They just can’t hit. 

[Maxbialystock]

Now we see why Cora used just 2 pitchers last night.  He anticipated Bello wouldn't have it.  

Whitlock pitched in 62 games with 72 IP, so he was not routinely a 2 inning reliever.  Plus 4 of those times he got nailed for 2, 2, ,3, and 4 runs.  Tonight he had a great 7th inning and started the 8th with 2 outs followed by a walk and a single (that should have been a double) that scored the go ahead run,

Cora did not put all his eggs into tonight's game.  The bullpen had plenty of rest before tonight so most of them can go again tomorrow night. 

Early will start and pitched 19.1 innings in 4 starts in September with an ERA of 2.33.  His last start, 86 pitches, was last Saturday.   Harrison has pitched 12 innings in 3 games, 2 of them starts, with an ERA of 1.58.  

Assuming a righty Yankees starter, I see Yoshida as DH, batting 4th, Duran leading off then Story and Bregman.  Lowe back at 1b and maybe Sogard at 2b because Gonzalez isn't hitting.  Eaton can hit righties, so he gets RF and not Abreu, who can't hit anybody.    Narvaez isn't hitting either, but he's our best defensive catcher, so he starts.  Rafaela in CF of course.  

Against two excellent Yankee starters the Sox won 3-1 and lost 4-3--not too shabby, especially given Bello's lousy start.  The Yankees have easily the best lineup in MLB, but have scored just 5 runs in 2 games.  They could erupt tomorrow, but I don't think so.  

Agree with the criticism of Duran's dropped ball tonight and Eaton being held at 3b.  

 

 

 

 

 

[sk7326]

It took 21 years - but I guess the Red Sox would HAVE to lose a postseason game at a building named Yankee Stadium eventually. 

[sk7326]

Just now, Maxbialystock said:

Now we see why Cora used just 2 pitchers last night.  He anticipated Bello wouldn't have it.  

Whitlock pitched in 62 games with 72 IP, so he was not routinely a 2 inning reliever.  Plus 4 of those times he got nailed for 2, 2, ,3, and 4 runs.  Tonight he had a great 7th inning and started the 8th with 2 outs followed by a walk and a single (that should have been a double) that scored the go ahead run,

Cora did not put all his eggs into tonight's game.  The bullpen had plenty of rest before tonight so most of them can go again tomorrow night. 

Early will start and pitched 19.1 innings in 4 starts in September with an ERA of 2.33.  His last start, 86 pitches, was last Saturday.   Harrison has pitched 12 innings in 3 games, 2 of them starts, with an ERA of 1.58.  

Assuming a righty Yankees starter, I see Yoshida as DH, batting 4th, Duran leading off then Story and Bregman.  Lowe back at 1b and maybe Sogard at 2b because Gonzalez isn't hitting.  Eaton can hit righties, so he gets RF and not Abreu, who can't hit anybody.    Narvaez isn't hitting either, but he's our best defensive catcher, so he starts.  Rafaela in CF of course.  

Against two excellent Yankee starters the Sox won 3-1 and lost 4-3--not too shabby, especially given Bello's lousy start.  The Yankees have easily the best lineup in MLB, but have scored just 5 runs in 2 games.  They could erupt tomorrow, but I don't think so.  

Agree with the criticism of Duran's dropped ball tonight and Eaton being held at 3b.  

 

 

 

 

 

The beauty of having Crochet is being able to marshall your resources for the other starters and have those super quick playoff hooks.  

[Maxbialystock]

19 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The Sox suck at fundamentals and that is Cora's fault.

That's just horsehockey.  Last night Sogard took 2b on a single because he was told to challenge Judge's weak arm--and it was still a close play.  And Duran made a couple of excellent plays in the field.

Tonight the Sox should have been slaughtered after Bello's weak start and the Yankees having the best hitting in MLB.  

However, thanks for clarifying what happened when Eaton rounded third.  

[Maxbialystock]

8 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

The beauty of having Crochet is being able to marshall your resources for the other starters and have those super quick playoff hooks.  

Indeed.  

[Maxbialystock]

10 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

It took 21 years - but I guess the Red Sox would HAVE to lose a postseason game at a building named Yankee Stadium eventually. 

😁

[illinoisredsox]

41 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Eaton's job is to keep his eye on the COACH, not the ball. The ball isn't in his line of vision. Thats Hudson's fault.

With 2 outs you are running unless stopped by the 3rd base coach.  This isn’t Little League, you don’t need the coach to tell you what to do in every situation.

[FredLynn]

Just now, illinoisredsox said:

With 2 outs you are running unless stopped by the 3rd base coach.  This isn’t Little League, you don’t need the coach to tell you what to do in every situation.

So if Hudson put up the stop sign you should stop. In other words you have to look at the coach-otherwise you won’t see the stop sign

[d-money]

8 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

That's just horsehockey.  Last night Sogard took 2b on a single because he was told to challenge Judge's weak arm--and it was still a close play.  And Duran made a couple of excellent plays in the field.

Tonight the Sox should have been slaughtered after Bello's weak start and the Yankees having the best hitting in MLB.  

However, thanks for clarifying what happened when Eaton rounded third.  

They need duran and Rafaela to wake the f*** up. They have been terrible for the most part. 

[FredLynn]

36 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

For the 5th and last time Hudson was not the blame. He was waving Eaton home, but Eaton was looking at the ground and not at the 3rd base coach. OK, everybody got it now?

I didn’t see where Eaton was looking but if you saw that it’s on Eaton. The proper play is to run hard and stop only when the 3B coach stops you. 

[Tedballgame]

1 hour ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

For the 5th and last time Hudson was not the blame. He was waving Eaton home, but Eaton was looking at the ground and not at the 3rd base coach. OK, everybody got it now?

The first base coach was trying to waive Eaton home. From the replay I saw, Hudson was pointing to the third base bag which tells Eaton to stop and go back to the bag. This was on the coach but I also think Eaton should have had the instincts to be watching the throw to first and then go. He should have scored one way or the other. Definitely cost the Sox big time.

[Tedballgame]

1 hour ago, illinoisredsox said:

With 2 outs you are running unless stopped by the 3rd base coach.  This isn’t Little League, you don’t need the coach to tell you what to do in every situation.

For once Fred, I agree with you. He should have been going all the way. Willie Mays Hays had the same situation in Major League and he scored without the throw getting away from the first baseman. Same situation.

[notin]

2 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Add the coaching staff-Hudson for not sending Eaton when he could have scored and Cora for asking Rafaela to bunt-I don't think I saw him try to bunt runners over all year-and for not putting Abreu in for Eaton in RF for defense-he might have thrown out the winning run at home. 

But we were in the game the whole way and had our chances with a bunch of bench players, really-Sogard, Eaton etc. Now we will have to try to win with a rookie pitching tomorrow. 

Eaton has the second strongest arm among all MLB outfielders, behind only Toronto’s Addison Barger.  He was the best chance on this team of getting Chisholm at the plate.  But it was a 3-2 pitch, and the speedy Chisholm got a good jump.  The throw was amazingly accurate.  But Chisholm is fast and had a good slide.  If that was any of the 8 other Yankees, thats probably an out at the plate.

That is not on Cora…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 hour ago, Maxbialystock said:

Now we see why Cora used just 2 pitchers last night.  He anticipated Bello wouldn't have it.  

Whitlock pitched in 62 games with 72 IP, so he was not routinely a 2 inning reliever.  Plus 4 of those times he got nailed for 2, 2, ,3, and 4 runs.  Tonight he had a great 7th inning and started the 8th with 2 outs followed by a walk and a single (that should have been a double) that scored the go ahead run,

Cora did not put all his eggs into tonight's game.  The bullpen had plenty of rest before tonight so most of them can go again tomorrow night. 

Early will start and pitched 19.1 innings in 4 starts in September with an ERA of 2.33.  His last start, 86 pitches, was last Saturday.   Harrison has pitched 12 innings in 3 games, 2 of them starts, with an ERA of 1.58.  

Assuming a righty Yankees starter, I see Yoshida as DH, batting 4th, Duran leading off then Story and Bregman.  Lowe back at 1b and maybe Sogard at 2b because Gonzalez isn't hitting.  Eaton can hit righties, so he gets RF and not Abreu, who can't hit anybody.    Narvaez isn't hitting either, but he's our best defensive catcher, so he starts.  Rafaela in CF of course.  

Against two excellent Yankee starters the Sox won 3-1 and lost 4-3--not too shabby, especially given Bello's lousy start.  The Yankees have easily the best lineup in MLB, but have scored just 5 runs in 2 games.  They could erupt tomorrow, but I don't think so.  

Agree with the criticism of Duran's dropped ball tonight and Eaton being held at 3b.  

 

 

 

 

 

He wasn't held at third.

[FredLynn]

41 minutes ago, notin said:

Eaton has the second strongest arm among all MLB outfielders, behind only Toronto’s Addison Barger.  He was the best chance on this team of getting Chisholm at the plate.  But it was a 3-2 pitch, and the speedy Chisholm got a good jump.

That is not on Cora…

Do you have a link to support that? 
Ronald Acuna, Adonis Garcia, and Lane Thomas are on the list I found. I don’t see Eaton name there. But Abreu is a GG OF. In a close game like this I think it was prudent to put your best defensive players in the game if possible. 

Never mind. Apparently Eaton has a great arm. Not sure how accurate it is but I still think that the right move was to put my GG OF in RF. Not sure he would have got Chisholm but it was still the right move.

[notin]

49 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Do you have a link to support that? 
Ronald Acuna, Adonis Garcia, and Lane Thomas are on the list I found. I don’t see Eaton name there. But Abreu is a GG OF. In a close game like this I think it was prudent to put your best defensive players in the game if possible. 

Never mind. Apparently Eaton has a great arm. Not sure how accurate it is but I still think that the right move was to put my GG OF in RF. Not sure he would have got Chisholm but it was still the right move.

StatCast numbers varied from my “second overall” but only because he didn’t have a qualifying number of Theres.  He threw 97mph this year per their page.  Abreu has a cannon as well, but the problem was defiant not Eaton’s throw, which was right there.  Chisholm, off with the pitch, runs well and slid properly.

That was not on Cora. Not every outcome is someone’s fault…

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

10 hours ago, d-money said:

I think cora has managed well in this series. This team just can’t hit. I would be surprised we won game 3 because our offense totally blows. 

This.  It's not Cora's fault Whit blew the game.  Crochet also threw the most pitches in a game this season and nobody complained.  This is the playoff and 2 innings for a guy who has gone 2 innings often was the right call.

As I've been saying all season their run totals were bloated by a number of high scoring games.  This lineup is obviously full of holes and below average hitters. I really liked our chances when they got into the bullpen, we just didn't have the bats to take advantage.   

WTF happened to Jared Duran?  Such a disappointing season. 

[Old Red]

51 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

This.  It's not Cora's fault Whit blew the game.  Crochet also threw the most pitches in a game this season and nobody complained.  This is the playoff and 2 innings for a guy who has gone 2 innings often was the right call.

As I've been saying all season their run totals were bloated by a number of high scoring games.  This lineup is obviously full of holes and below average hitters. I really liked our chances when they got into the bullpen, we just didn't have the bats to take advantage.   

WTF happened to Jared Duran?  Such a disappointing season. 

I’m not blaming Cora, but Whitlock did say he was getting tired near the end throwing those 47 pitches.

[notin]

8 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

For once Fred, I agree with you. He should have been going all the way. Willie Mays Hays had the same situation in Major League and he scored without the throw getting away from the first baseman. Same situation.

And Eaton was running full tilt while Hayes was in slow motion.

We probably shouldn’t rely on Major League for accurate baseball strategy.  I mean, in that movie Dennis Haysbert hit a game-tying home run on an 0-2 fastball after demonstrating for the entire movie he could not hit a curveball…

[notin]

1 hour ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

This.  It's not Cora's fault Whit blew the game.  Crochet also threw the most pitches in a game this season and nobody complained.  This is the playoff and 2 innings for a guy who has gone 2 innings often was the right call.

As I've been saying all season their run totals were bloated by a number of high scoring games.  This lineup is obviously full of holes and below average hitters. I really liked our chances when they got into the bullpen, we just didn't have the bats to take advantage.   

WTF happened to Jared Duran?  Such a disappointing season. 

The Sox have played two playoff games starting Rob Refsnyder, Romy Gonzalez and Nate Eaton aka The Bench.   Its a little better with Abreu, Lowe and Yoshida…

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The Sox suck at fundamentals and that is Cora's fault.

You don't learn fundamentals at the MLB level. If Duran isn't a good fielder by now, he never will be. It's a personnel problem, not a managerial problem. 

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

Agree with the criticism of Duran's dropped ball tonight and Eaton being held at 3b.  

Bello hasn't been a good pitcher for a while now and the two items above. That's what Game 2 was. 

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, sk7326 said:

The beauty of having Crochet is being able to marshall your resources for the other starters and have those super quick playoff hooks.  

And the problem with the other 4 starters. 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You don't learn fundamentals at the MLB level. If Duran isn't a good fielder by now, he never will be. It's a personnel problem, not a managerial problem. 

Too many players where DH is their best position, and some aren't good enough hitters to be a FT DH.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

And Eaton was running full tilt while Hayes was in slow motion’

I watched the replay a dozen times. If that's as fast as Eaton can run, they should let Hamilton pinch-run.

It was a full count with two outs -- that right there means SPRINT as soon as the pitcher lifts his front foot.

And it doesn't matter if you're Casas, don't stop sprinting until the play is over.

I've played, coached and watched baseball for over half a century and have never seen a third base coach tell a runner at full sprint to STOP AT THIRD when there are two outs and the batter just hit the ball...

... because as coaches, we don't tell guys in scoring position with two outs to "Run on contact" -- instead, we yell: "SCORE on contact!"

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

The Sox have played two playoff games starting Rob Refsnyder, Romy Gonzalez and Nate Eaton aka The Bench.   Its a little better with Abreu, Lowe and Yoshida…

Eaton has a 1100 OPS after his first two games. Not sure how the other guys would be much better than that. 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Bello hasn't been a good pitcher for a while now and the two items above. That's what Game 2 was. 

Bello started wearing down in Sept.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Yankees won with two outs because Jazz wasn't running on contact; he was scoring on contact.