Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[drewski6]

When you have a young talented team, you flip prospects for vets. Its simply what you do.

[Bellhorn04]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

True.

I do think Bregman could have become the exception and come back to the team after a deadline trade.

Sure, it's possible.

But if you really like him, you re-do his deal while he's still under control.  

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

When you have a young talented team, you flip prospects for vets. Its simply what you do.

They did.  Just not enough for us.

[drewski6]

11 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

They did.  Just not enough for us.

Thibbs wasnt a huge part of the devers return, his flip for a pitcher who had just lost his job in a rotation was an obvious fallback due to not being able to work something more impactful out.  Thibbs #5 ranking makes it look like more of a cost than it was.  This dude is like 23, not hitting in A ball, and has no position.  Flip him for May was easy come/easy go but not a real spenediture

And we gave up a #17 cruising for a rule 5 draft for an aging bp arm.

Scraps for scraps.  And do you believe that nobody wanted any of our other prospects at all? Because thats what Bres is selling you. You buying that? That every team we called just didnt have interest in our packages?

Or is it more likely that the gun shy sox got gun shy.  Too focused on what we are giving up.  This team has been scared money at the poker table since Dombrowski left

And is there something to be said for entertainment value?  It was never boring under Dombrowski , and its been nothing but snooze city since.  I demand to be entertained.  But I do get some entertainment from reading about our guys on soxprospects.com so not saying that prospects hold no entertainment value.  Roman Anthonys first couple games were an event , sure.  I cancelled plans to watch.  But I want more entertainment from the entertainment industry

 

[notin]

35 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Doesn't matter if it's tampering.  It's verbal, and therefore worthless. 

You think the Sox would hold up their end of the promise if Bregman gets hurt? 😄

Isnt tampering always verbal?  Do team officials  put their illegal offers to other team’s controlled players down on paper? Do they e-mail them offers and leave trails of e-vidence?

[drewski6]

The rest of the season just got boring.

[drewski6]

we're onto summerslam. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Isnt tarnishing airways verbal?  Do team officials  put their illegal offers to other team’s controlled players down on paper? Do they e-mail them offers and leave trails of e-vidence?

say it! say your catch phrase!!

[vegasbob]

Breslow made it pretty clear, for him anyway, that he was not going to disturb the current roster and move any players out of this clubhouse.  An echo reverberating from the Devers move ?  

Craig is betting the house that this team will ease into the WC mix and be a playoff team , justifying any moves-non move decisions.   

If he is right , he goes into the off season dealing from strength  . If he is wrong and the dreaded post TDL 2 months become the abyss of prior seasons, then he gets fired.     The nexxt 12 games will be a strong indicator of whether he is right or wrong.

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Ryan has some controlled years left. He's a legit #2. Unless the prospect package added onto the OF was overwhelming, I'd ship off either Abreu or Duran for Ryan. 

i love Duran and even i would have sent Duran for Ryan. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, vegasbob said:

Breslow made it pretty clear, for him anyway, that he was not going to disturb the current roster and move any players out of this clubhouse.  An echo reverberating from the Devers move ?  

Craig is betting the house that this team will ease into the WC mix and be a playoff team , justifying any moves-non move decisions.   

If he is right , he goes into the off season dealing from strength  . If he is wrong and the dreaded post TDL 2 months become the abyss of prior seasons, then he gets fired.     The nexxt 12 games will be a strong indicator of whether he is right or wrong.

If they make the playoffs, I think they'll be regretting their snoozer of a deadline even more.  The most shocking part is this was the stated reason balls-less bloom was fired.  Breslows balls arent hanging particularly low right now.

I fire him immediately.

[moonslav59]

29 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Im not sure about overrate, but hoard.  Like im not sure we think that our #19 prospect is going to be some future hall-of-famer, but for some reason, when someone asks for a prospect, we're like "NO!!! And how dare you even ask about our precious prospects? How about this, we swap out the #19 ranked prospect and insert an all-star in their prime instead (Devers, Duran)....We'll trade them , sure, jsut not our prospects"

Its gollum in lord of the rings level "my precioussssss, my precioussss"

Brez did trade:

#4 Teel (who would have been #1 or #2 on most teams)

#5 Montgomery (a #1, 2 or 3 on most teams)

#8 Meredith (a #5 or 6 on most teams)

That seems like ions ago, but it wasn't.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Breslow made it pretty clear, for him anyway, that he was not going to disturb the current roster and move any players out of this clubhouse.  An echo reverberating from the Devers move ?  

Craig is betting the house that this team will ease into the WC mix and be a playoff team , justifying any moves-non move decisions.   

If he is right , he goes into the off season dealing from strength  . If he is wrong and the dreaded post TDL 2 months become the abyss of prior seasons, then he gets fired.     The nexxt 12 games will be a strong indicator of whether he is right or wrong.

Do we get more for Duran or Abreu, this winter or this past deadline?

No way we make one of our 4 OF'ers a DH or 1Bman. We also have Jh Garcia.

It's just plain dumb to "hold on" to logjammed talent, when you have a gaping hole in the rotation. In reality, an OF'er trade should have been made, last winter.

[notin]

9 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

say it! say your catch phrase!!

I have a catch phrase?  Are you confusing me with Urkel again?

[Bellhorn04]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Isnt tampering always verbal?  Do team officials  put their illegal offers to other team’s controlled players down on paper? Do they e-mail them offers and leave trails of e-vidence?

You're right, I just don't think it matters what we call it in this case.  It's irrelevant to the point that it's pointless.

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If they make the playoffs, I think they'll be regretting their snoozer of a deadline even more.  The most shocking part is this was the stated reason balls-less bloom was fired.  Breslows balls arent hanging particularly low right now.

I fire him immediately.

There was no stated reason Bloom was fired, just the usual package of rumors and innuendo.

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

I have a catch phrase?  Are you confusing me with Urkel again?

No but I knew a guy who would always want to smoke my pot and when he would come over i would say "got any treeeeees?" (like urkel says got any cheese, making fun of him)

your catchphrase is "its really just PR"

would you agree that sometimes GMs make low impact deadline moves for PR? Dont say we didnt do anything, we swapped sinking assets!

[drewski6]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You're right, I just don't think it matters what we call it in this case.  It's irrelevant to the point that it's pointless.

it is pointless to discuss whether its tampering to tell players that they are part of your future plans when they are upcoming free-agents (its not)

[drewski6]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

There was no stated reason Bloom was fired, just the usual package of rumors and innuendo.

I thought it was established that he was canned for being gun-shy, but i could be wrong.

[notin]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

No but I knew a guy who would always want to smoke my pot and when he would come over i would say "got any treeeeees?" (like urkel says got any trees , making fun of him)

your catchphrase is "its really just PR"

would you agree that sometimes GMs make low impact deadline moves for PR? Dont say we didnt do anything, we swapped sinking assets!

I think free agency is PR in many cases.   It too often involves aging players sometimes with big names on the wrong side of 30, and sends a message to the fans about spending money not being an obstacle.  Didn’t your excitement about this team escalate the day Bregman was signed?  Or David Price?

[notin]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

I thought it was established that he was canned for being gun-shy, but i could be wrong.

It is why I would have fired him. But Henry wouldn’t let me.

”Who are you!?! You don’t even work for us!!”  Excuses, excuses…

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

I think free agency is PR in many cases.   It too often involves aging players sometimes with big names on the wrong side of 30, and sends a message to the fans about spending money not being an obstacle.  Didn’t your excitement about this team escalate the day Bregman was signed?  Or David Price?

I think that pretend deadline buys are PR in many cases.  Too often it involves low-impact moves or deck chair on the titanic swaps involving players on the wrong side of 30 (or upcoming free agents) and sends a message to the fans about willingness to spend prospect capital.  Doesnt the team getting a sixth starter and a fifth bullpen arm provide some cover?  My friend joey just texted me Im happy : "we needed a couple pitchers, we got a couple pitchers!"  He said the same thing when we got james paxton and rich hill

[notin]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

When you have a young talented team, you flip prospects for vets. Its simply what you do.

There was some divide in that philosophy yesterday.  Boston wasn’t the only limited participant in the feeding frenzy.

NL Central leader Milwaukee had the most confusing day - trading away an injured Nestor Cortes and acquiring an injured Shelby Miller and an even more injured Jordan Montgomery.

Not to be out-underdone, their division rival Cubs acquired basically the same thing as the Red Sox, but added in superstar sub (or is it sub-superstar?) Willie Castro.  Castro might struggle to fit in with the Cubs as the only Spanish-speaking position player.  Ok, he can talk to the catchers (at least ones not named Carson Kelly)…

[Maxbialystock]

33 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thibbs wasnt a huge part of the devers return, his flip for a pitcher who had just lost his job in a rotation was an obvious fallback due to not being able to work something more impactful out.  Thibbs #5 ranking makes it look like more of a cost than it was.  This dude is like 23, not hitting in A ball, and has no position.  Flip him for May was easy come/easy go but not a real spenediture

And we gave up a #17 cruising for a rule 5 draft for an aging bp arm.

Scraps for scraps.  And do you believe that nobody wanted any of our other prospects at all? Because thats what Bres is selling you. You buying that? That every team we called just didnt have interest in our packages?

Or is it more likely that the gun shy sox got gun shy.  Too focused on what we are giving up.  This team has been scared money at the poker table since Dombrowski left

And is there something to be said for entertainment value?  It was never boring under Dombrowski , and its been nothing but snooze city since.  I demand to be entertained.  But I do get some entertainment from reading about our guys on soxprospects.com so not saying that prospects hold no entertainment value.  Roman Anthonys first couple games were an event , sure.  I cancelled plans to watch.  But I want more entertainment from the entertainment industry

 

DD had carte blanche and the highest payroll in MLB.  JH doesn't want to do that again and has no doubt given Breslow limits on what he can do.

On the other hand, Breslow was allowed to sign Bregman, Chapman, Crochet, Buehler, and Giolito, none of whom were bargains  The first three are clearly worth bucks.  Buehler isn't  but still might be a decent 4th starter--and the same goes for Giolito.  Plus Narvaez is an amazing bargain.

I think JH and probably Breslow too have decided that July is the wrong time to go after real talent.  

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd have considered Rafaela and others for Ryan. If I was giving up Anthony, I might have included others to get Ryan and Jh Duran. (Maybe Chapman to PHI and someone from them to MIN as part of the trade.)

I'm not a huge Mitch Keller fan, but I gotta think we could have gotten him (and maybe Bednar, too) for a package of prospects no other team could realistically match without emptying their farm.

Duran & Chapman to PHI

Painter, Abel, Mendez, Volloria, Tait, Campbell & Romero to MIN (MIN trades Bader to someone else for more prospects)

Ryan & JH Duran to BOS

I know you love war-gaming these trades out, but you rarely get trades like this. They just do not happen that often. Trading is hard enough, simplifying things is what most execs (not named Preller) try to do.

[mvp 78]

41 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thibbs wasnt a huge part of the devers return, his flip for a pitcher who had just lost his job in a rotation was an obvious fallback due to not being able to work something more impactful out.  Thibbs #5 ranking makes it look like more of a cost than it was.  This dude is like 23, not hitting in A ball, and has no position. 
 

He was having his first taste of AA pitching. There's a learning curve there for many hitters. He had zero problems in "A ball." Per SoxProspects, he profiled as a corner OFer. Not sure how that's a guy w/o a position. Sox moved him around, because that's what they seem to do with a lot of players. The also have a huge lack of 1b in the system and need to throw everyone there to see if someone sticks. 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I didn't think the Sox could trade for a starter more disappointing than Morton, but they surprised me again.

 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

DD had carte blanche and the highest payroll in MLB.  JH doesn't want to do that again and has no doubt given Breslow limits on what he can do.

On the other hand, Breslow was allowed to sign Bregman, Chapman, Crochet, Buehler, and Giolito, none of whom were bargains  The first three are clearly worth bucks.  Buehler isn't  but still might be a decent 4th starter--and the same goes for Giolito.  Plus Narvaez is an amazing bargain.

I think JH and probably Breslow too have decided that July is the wrong time to go after real talent.  

It must have been terrible for JH to watch DD build that absolute beast of a team in 2018 and know how much he had to spend on it. 😭

[notin]

46 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thibbs wasnt a huge part of the devers return, his flip for a pitcher who had just lost his job in a rotation was an obvious fallback due to not being able to work something more impactful out.  Thibbs #5 ranking makes it look like more of a cost than it was.  This dude is like 23, not hitting in A ball, and has no position.  Flip him for May was easy come/easy go but not a real spenediture

And we gave up a #17 cruising for a rule 5 draft for an aging bp arm.

Scraps for scraps.  And do you believe that nobody wanted any of our other prospects at all? Because thats what Bres is selling you. You buying that? That every team we called just didnt have interest in our packages?

Or is it more likely that the gun shy sox got gun shy.  Too focused on what we are giving up.  This team has been scared money at the poker table since Dombrowski left

And is there something to be said for entertainment value?  It was never boring under Dombrowski , and its been nothing but snooze city since.  I demand to be entertained.  But I do get some entertainment from reading about our guys on soxprospects.com so not saying that prospects hold no entertainment value.  Roman Anthonys first couple games were an event , sure.  I cancelled plans to watch.  But I want more entertainment from the entertainment industry

 

Sometimes having good young players rally is a hindrance at the trade deadline.

Back in 1996, the Sox made an attempt to get Denny Neagle from Pitt.  Boston has some good prospects back then, but Pitt wanted Nomar. And only Nomar.

No idea who else Boston dangled, and they had names back then. Brian Rose. Carl Pavano. Jeff Suppan. Donnie Sadler.  Not sure who they offered, but I heard it didn’t matter. Pitt wanted Nomar.  No deal, and Neagle went to Atlanta for a package built around RHSP Jason Schmidt (who did have a decent career).

Were teams focused on Anthony?  “If you like Password so much, you keep him and trade us Roman,” which ironically is an anagram for Nomar…

[notin]

6 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I know you love war-gaming these trades out, but you rarely get trades like this. They just do not happen that often. Trading is hard enough, simplifying things is what most execs (not named Preller) try to do.

And then there were the Billy Beane “All 3 team deals go through Oakland” days…