Article: A Plea For The Red Sox To Sign Juan Soto

[moonslav59]

My pie in the sky...

Sign: Soto ($660M/15), Fried ($182M/7) (Total $70M AAV)

Trade: Yoshida ($18M AAV), Arias & Cespedes

For: Arenado ($25.5 AAV) ____(Total $7.5M of AAV)___________________

Trade: Mayer, Perales, Meidroth, Fitts & Sandlin

For: P Lopez ($18.4 AAV), Jeffers ($5M ard) and Jh. Duran ($3M plus 3 more arbs) Total: $26.5 of AAV

TOTAL: about $105M in AAV (close to second tax line)

2024 Sox:

SP: Fried, Lopez, Houck, Bello, Giolito

RP: Duran, Chapman, Hendriks, Slaten, Whitlock, Crawford, Winckowski, Wilson

1. Duran LF/CF

2. Devers 1B/DH

3. Story SS

4. Casas DH/1B

5. Arenado 3B

6. Anthony CF/RF

7. Abreu RF/Refsnyder LF (platoon)

8. Campbell 2B (DHam-Grissom platoon)

9. Wong-Jeffers

Bench: Wong/Jansen, Abreu/Ref, Rafaela, DHam or Grissom (one in AAA)

[Hitch]

4 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Per Red Sox Stats: hot off the presses

The Red Sox have requested a meeting with Boras and Soto where they will be given price that would get a deal finalized.

From Alex, too. So legit.

If nothing else ownership is doing absolutely everything it can here.

I was ready to have my heart broken a week ago, I'm at the altar now, nervously looking over my shoulder.

 

 

[Dirtywater43]

If the Sox sign Soto. Would want Devers moved to first and Yoshida moved also. Soto to DH mostly unless he's playing in Fenway Park.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Will the lawn sign have his picture on it?

By then, probably not.

I keep planting apple trees in my yard, but within two or three years they opt out.

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

By then, probably not.

I keep planting apple trees in my yard, but within two or three years they opt out.

I planted a Mexican Lime tree in my yard, a long time ago, but it transitioned into an orange tree. It told me, "I was born an orange tree."

The State of Texas now has my yard under surveillance.

I may face charges.

 

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I planted a Mexican Lime tree in my yard, a long time ago, but it transitioned into an orange tree. It told me, "I was born an orange tree."

The State of Texas now has my yard under surveillance.

I may face charges.

 

Grafting. 

[mvp 78]

7 hours ago, Dirtywater43 said:

If the Sox sign Soto. Would want Devers moved to first and Yoshida moved also. Soto to DH mostly unless he's playing in Fenway Park.

Gold Glove finalist Juan Soto! 

[Hitch]

7 hours ago, Dirtywater43 said:

If the Sox sign Soto. Would want Devers moved to first and Yoshida moved also. Soto to DH mostly unless he's playing in Fenway Park.

There is 0% chance the man is DH'ing.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Hitch said:

There is 0% chance the man is DH'ing.

Not until he's in his late 30's at least. You can put him in LF and he'd be fine. Terrible range. Plus arm (90th percentile arm value). He's better than Manny was. 

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Grafting. 

Yes, but with a twist. The "Lime tree" died after a harsh winter freeze, and I cut it down, but the tree was actually  a lime tree grafted onto an orange tree roots, so when it came back, it was an orange tree.

The oranges were not very sweet, but my neighbor loved them.

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, but with a twist. The "Lime tree" died after a harsh winter freeze, and I cut it down, but the tree was actually  a lime tree grafted onto an orange tree roots, so when it came back, it was an orange tree.

The oranges were not very sweet, but my neighbor loved them.

No, I understood vaguely what happened that the lime tree was grated onto the orange tree and the lime tree failed somehow. Not all oranges are sweet. I wonder what type they were. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

48 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not until he's in his late 30's at least. You can put him in LF and he'd be fine. Terrible range. Plus arm (90th percentile arm value). He's better than Manny was. 

As long as he learns how to play balls off the Monster, Fenway is kind of a perfect fit for Soto's defensive (in)ability.

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

No, I understood vaguely what happened that the lime tree was grated onto the orange tree and the lime tree failed somehow. Not all oranges are sweet. I wonder what type they were. 

Somebody told me it was probably a Texas variety of oranges used for juice, only. (They were very juicy.)

[mvp 78]

55 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

As long as he learns how to play balls off the Monster, Fenway is kind of a perfect fit for Soto's defensive (in)ability.

LF at Fenway has provided cover for a lot of poor defensive players:

Williams

Rice

Greenwell

Manny

Bay

Gomes

Hanley

Yoshida

 

[moonslav59]

Soto does fit nicely into the Fenway situation. It might raise the likelihood of trading some players, where LF & DH might be their only landing spots:

Yoshida/Refsnyder (if not platoon DH'ing)

E Valdez

Cespedes

Castro and maybe JH Garcia or Nelly Taylor, someday

 

[FredLynn]

16 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

If it turns out we offered $675M/15 and still lose out on Soto, will those who believed JH would never spend big again, still feel that way?

Would it change, if he pivoted to a couple other big names, and ended up spending more AAV than the Soto deal was and going over the first tax line?

 

That would depend on whether or not Henry knew that $675M/15 would not get the deal done. If he makes the offer knowing it would be refused I'd still believe that Henry doesn't know what the words "full throttle" actually mean. Personally, I am skeptical that we will land ANY of the big names, given the recent history of the team dumpster diving.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

That would depend on whether or not Henry knew that $675M/15 would not get the deal done. If he makes the offer knowing it would be refused I'd still believe that Henry doesn't know what the words "full throttle" actually mean. Personally, I am skeptical that we will land ANY of the big names, given the recent history of the team dumpster diving.

I'm skeptical, too, and my "expectations" are still very low, but I can't control my hopes.

[drewski6]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

My pie in the sky...

Sign: Soto ($660M/15), Fried ($182M/7) (Total $70M AAV)

Trade: Yoshida ($18M AAV), Arias & Cespedes

For: Arenado ($25.5 AAV) ____(Total $7.5M of AAV)___________________

Trade: Mayer, Perales, Meidroth, Fitts & Sandlin

For: P Lopez ($18.4 AAV), Jeffers ($5M ard) and Jh. Duran ($3M plus 3 more arbs) Total: $26.5 of AAV

TOTAL: about $105M in AAV (close to second tax line)

2024 Sox:

SP: Fried, Lopez, Houck, Bello, Giolito

RP: Duran, Chapman, Hendriks, Slaten, Whitlock, Crawford, Winckowski, Wilson

1. Duran LF/CF

2. Devers 1B/DH

3. Story SS

4. Casas DH/1B

5. Arenado 3B

6. Anthony CF/RF

7. Abreu RF/Refsnyder LF (platoon)

8. Campbell 2B (DHam-Grissom platoon)

9. Wong-Jeffers

Bench: Wong/Jansen, Abreu/Ref, Rafaela, DHam or Grissom (one in AAA)

The only part about this I find "pie in the sky" is Colorado trade even with Arenado coming back to offset the dollars.

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm skeptical, too, and my "expectations" are still very low, but I can't control my hopes.

I don't mind not getting Soto-unless the Yankees get him. Our need is pitching. We need one or two top flight SPs to become relevant again and we need our existing RPs to pitch a lot better. Not so worried about our offense. One good RH bat and I think we are OK as long as we get better pitching.

[Duran Is The Man]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I planted a Mexican Lime tree in my yard, a long time ago, but it transitioned into an orange tree. It told me, "I was born an orange tree."

The State of Texas now has my yard under surveillance.

I may face charges.

 

for what?

[drewski6]

10 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

That would depend on whether or not Henry knew that $675M/15 would not get the deal done. If he makes the offer knowing it would be refused I'd still believe that Henry doesn't know what the words "full throttle" actually mean. Personally, I am skeptical that we will land ANY of the big names, given the recent history of the team dumpster diving.

You wouldnt make a 675m offer unless you were okay with it being accepted (even if you knew it still didnt make you the favorites).

[Duran Is The Man]

11 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

That would depend on whether or not Henry knew that $675M/15 would not get the deal done. If he makes the offer knowing it would be refused I'd still believe that Henry doesn't know what the words "full throttle" actually mean. Personally, I am skeptical that we will land ANY of the big names, given the recent history of the team dumpster diving.

you can count on it. Henry is getting schooled by the big boys.

[Duran Is The Man]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

The only part about this I find "pie in the sky" is Colorado trade even with Arenado coming back to offset the dollars.

donchu mean St. Louis??

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

The only part about this I find "pie in the sky" is Colorado trade even with Arenado coming back to offset the dollars.

Arenado is on STL, now, while COL is paying $5M a year. There was a rumor about a Cespedes, Arias for Arenado & Helsley trade, somewhere.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

for what?

For aiding a tree change its sex, as in...

"It went to school a lime tree and came home an orange tree."

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Arenado is on STL, now, while COL is paying $5M a year. There was a rumor about a Cespedes, Arias for Arenado & Helsley trade, somewhere.

HAHA, meant STL.  Not all rumors are the same (as Im sure you know). If it was an SI writer or a fan article thats different than a rumor suggesting actual talks.

[Duran Is The Man]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

... and behind by 3 steps, at times: Bauer, Paxton, Buehler and others.

Was paying Yamamoto that much money really "2 steps ahead?"

We'll see...

 

 

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

For aiding a tree change its sex, as in...

"It went to school a lime tree and came home an orange tree."

well....if it was a f***ing child, then yeah, you should be arrested.

[FredLynn]

12 hours ago, Hitch said:

From Alex, too. So legit.

If nothing else ownership is doing absolutely everything it can here.

I was ready to have my heart broken a week ago, I'm at the altar now, nervously looking over my shoulder.

 

 

What makes you think that the meeting, if it happens, isn't just for show? 

[drewski6]

13 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

What makes you think that the meeting, if it happens, isn't just for show? 

Because they've already gone too far to have it all be just for show. Not sure they'll get him, but they are certainly trying.

[FredLynn]

25 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

you can count on it. Henry is getting schooled by the big boys.

Henry IS one of the big boys. He's a billionairre with an estimated net worth of $6,000,000,000 (six BILLION dollars). He is apparently tired of spending like a big boy. A couple of years ago he declared that he wanted to get the budget under control, which is his right. Last year the Sox were 12th (middle third) after years of being much higher. Truth is, its not so much that the spending isn't there: its HOW the money has been spent. Dumpster diving is not going to make the team relevant again.