Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Too bad it's me saying this, but I think you've made a heckuva point, especially that brilliant phrase, "temporary All-Star arm." That's Sale, Price, Beckett, Lackey, and a whole bunch of great arms who didn't pitch for the Sox.

 

There are of course significant exceptions--like Verlander--but that's the point: they are exceptions and absolutely not the rule.

 

I also like your notion that there is strength in numbers: that is, acquire pitching depth. I think that is exactly what has happen this season to the Sox lineup players, who constitute half the team. I call them the no-names, which really means underpaid. Casas, Wong, Abreu, Hamilton, and Duran are all @ $750K. Rafaela is $1.25M. That's 2/3 of the Sox starting lineup for $6M. The two big righty bats, Ref and O'Neill, are @ $1.85M and $5.85M. Lurking @ Worcester are Mayer, Teel, Anthony, and Campbell. Plus let's not forget that DFA'd Smith and McGuire definitely contributed to this Sox team.

 

I hasten to add that I think Devers ($30M) and Yoshida ($18.6M) are pretty close to earning their pay, but they are just two of 9.

 

The rotation started out like a house afire, and then stumbled badly after the ASG, but I think Houck, Bello, Crawford, Pivetta, and Criswell are right now borderline adequate. Including Pivetta @ $7.5M and Bello at $1.2M, their combined salaries are around $11.5M. And their WAR's are, in the same order, 3.4, 0.8, 1.6, 1.0, and 0.0.

 

Plus we also can't forget the failed (so far) investments of Giolito ($38M for 2 years, which are now 1), Story ($22M x 6 years?), and of course Sale, whom the Sox are paying $17M so he can star for the Braves. That's a whole lot of money for zippo performance.

 

Your last point is a great point that always haunts the Red Sox and has definitely held them back from completing their roster each year, at least in the past half decade. There are always hits and misses, and though it seems like franchises truly committed to winning can absorb the latter, it hasn't felt that way in Boston lately...

 

I guess if someone wants to do the work and look at other Big Market teams, they'd find Dead Money in all their budgets, as well. But too bad for them, this is talkSOX!

[notin]

What the hell? This can’t be true…

 

Unfortunately.

 

https://www.thespruceeats.com/seattle-hot-dogs-4773446

 

 

But hey, it’s gotta be better than those godawful Sonora dogs in Arizona…

[mvp 78]

Unfortunately.

 

https://www.thespruceeats.com/seattle-hot-dogs-4773446

 

 

But hey, it’s gotta be better than those godawful Sonora dogs in Arizona…

 

Sonoran dog seem like they should be better? IDK.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sonoran dog seem like they should be better? IDK.

 

Those ain't dogs, they're big snails that only come out at night, and trip people in sandals trying to get back into their hotels.

[mvp 78]

Those ain't dogs, they're big snails that only come out at night, and trip people in sandals trying to get back into their hotels.

 

Well that is kinda rude.

[notin]

Sonoran dog seem like they should be better? IDK.

 

They have MAYONNAISE on them!!!

 

I’m in Chicago, where they put tomatoes, cucumbers and hot peppers on hot dogs, along with this neon green glow-in-the-dark relish that’s completely devoid of flavor. But at least they don’t put mayonnaise on hot dogs. Heck they get revolted at the thought of ketchup…

[Randy Red Sox]

When Casas sees his control years go, he will sign with someone else, and Devers will move to 1B. Book it.

 

I seriously doubt we trade Casas, and we aren't getting an ace for him, anyway, so he's not going anywhere.

 

Now, maybe a Casas + a top 4 prospect might get an ace with 3-5 years of control, but who knows?

 

we will just keep signing low risk P to short term deals. the Henry motto these days

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

we will just keep signing low risk P to short term deals. the Henry motto these days

 

Low risk?!? Have you watched any of these guys trotting to the mound when the bullpen gate swings open this summer?

 

At least we know why they're on short term deals. Googled "disposable pen" and found this:

 

"called 'disposables' because you can use them one time — when the material inside is depleted, you can throw the pen away and buy a new one."

 

"People also ask: How many hits do you get from a disposable pen?" (these must have been Orioles batters, asking about Red Sox relievers)

 

"A: You can expect to get around 80-100 puffs. This can last between 250 and 300 puffs."

[moonslav59]

we will just keep signing low risk P to short term deals. the Henry motto these days

 

We sign HIGH RISK pitchers to LOW CONTRACTS. That's the true "motto," but of course, these guys are the masters of doublespeak, distraction and diversion.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We sign HIGH RISK pitchers to LOW CONTRACTS. That's the true "motto," but of course, these guys are the masters of doublespeak, distraction and diversion.

 

You ged a D+ for allideration!

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

And you get a D- for spelling!

 

*get

 

*alliteration

[Nick]

We have a window of opportunity with current group of positional players for 4 years at minimum starting in 2025.

 

We will also have reinforcements coming our way.

 

We will have enough pieces to withstand the loss of Casas in 5, 5 years. That is a lifetime for this fan approaching 69.

[notin]

You ged a D+ for allideration!

 

The use of “distraction” with “diversion” also constitutes assonance…

[Randy Red Sox]

We sign HIGH RISK pitchers to LOW CONTRACTS. That's the true "motto," but of course, these guys are the masters of doublespeak, distraction and diversion.

 

maybe I should rephrase that to say ' We sign P who may have been good at one time years ago or are just coming off injuries" We use short term deals so we can move on quickly to the next one. BTW when does Gramps Hill make his debut ?

[Hugh2]

maybe I should rephrase that to say ' We sign P who may have been good at one time years ago or are just coming off injuries" We use short term deals so we can move on quickly to the next one. BTW when does Gramps Hill make his debut ?

 

Didn't this describe Sale perfectly until this year???

[Bellhorn04]

Didn't this describe Sale perfectly until this year???

 

Not really.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The use of “distraction” with “diversion” also constitutes assonance…

 

I can't believe you're calling Moon that, after vowing to clean up the language in your posts.

[Hugh2]

Not really.

 

So Sale was healthy and not injury plagued seemingly year after year for the last 4 years? I would love to have him back here, but the fact of the matter is if he was a free agent this past offseason he'd fit that exact description.

[moonslav59]

maybe I should rephrase that to say ' We sign P who may have been good at one time years ago or are just coming off injuries" We use short term deals so we can move on quickly to the next one. BTW when does Gramps Hill make his debut ?

 

The only "low risk" about them is the fact that we only "risk" losing $1 to $10M and for only 1 year.

 

To me, low risk means there is smaller risk of failure and no signs of injury. The short term contracts are "lower risk," too.

[Randy Red Sox]

The only "low risk" about them is the fact that we only "risk" losing $1 to $10M and for only 1 year.

 

To me, low risk means there is smaller risk of failure and no signs of injury. The short term contracts are "lower risk," too.

 

somehow I think you get my point. If anyone believe the Sox are going to be major buyers in the offseason I have some beach point property to sell you at low tide

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

somehow I think you get my point. If anyone believe the Sox are going to be major buyers in the offseason I have some beach point property to sell you at low tide

 

Negative entitles might say low tide stinks, but Sam Kennedy assures you that the entire Red Sox front office is committed to use every resource -- so he has outfitted every analytic-retentive employee with clam rakes.

 

"Anything we pull out of the mud is liable to be just as good as what we could get at the trade deadline," he lied. "There's oysters in some of those pearls."

[Hugh2]

somehow I think you get my point. If anyone believe the Sox are going to be major buyers in the offseason I have some beach point property to sell you at low tide

 

How much will you sell it to me for if they actually are buyers?

 

Would you like to go on record now saying the Sox are going to roll out a $180 million dollar payroll?

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

How much will you sell it to me for if they actually are buyers?

 

Would you like to go on record now saying the Sox are going to roll out a $180 million dollar payroll?

 

What do you think their payroll will be and who do you think they will sign?

[moonslav59]

somehow I think you get my point. If anyone believe the Sox are going to be major buyers in the offseason I have some beach point property to sell you at low tide

 

I get your point. I will not atall be surprised if JH spend big, this winter, but that is not to say I expect it.

 

While this might be an abnormally long period of not spending, he has had "lulls," before.

[moonslav59]

What do you think their payroll will be and who do you think they will sign?

 

That's the 40-80 million dollar question.

 

Nobody know. Maybe even JH has not decided, yet.

[Randy Red Sox]

How much will you sell it to me for if they actually are buyers?

 

Would you like to go on record now saying the Sox are going to roll out a $180 million dollar payroll?

 

no idea what the payroll will be but I do know we have gone from a top 3 payroll to around a #10 payroll. Somehow coincidentally we have several last place finishes the past 3-4 years and no playoff berths

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That's the 40-80 million dollar question.

 

Nobody know. Maybe even JH has not decided, yet.

 

He was intrigued when an intern whispered in his ear, "Max Fried" because John heard FREED, and thought he was free.

 

Then he saw the name in print. "FRIed? See -- I TOLD you about free agent starting pitchers... they're all FRYED."

[notin]

He was intrigued when an intern whispered in his ear, "Max Fried" because John heard FREED, and thought he was free.

 

Then he saw the name in print. "FRIed? See -- I TOLD you about free agent starting pitchers... they're all FRYED."

 

You could make a decent rotation out of players whose names are full sentences.

 

Max Fried.

Corbin Burnes.

Dylan, Cease!

[moonslav59]

You could make a decent rotation out of players whose names are full sentences.

 

Max Fried.

Corbin Burnes.

Dylan, Cease!

 

Good one.

[Hugh2]

no idea what the payroll will be but I do know we have gone from a top 3 payroll to around a #10 payroll. Somehow coincidentally we have several last place finishes the past 3-4 years and no playoff berths

 

Neither do I, but it ain’t going to be 160 million. Even with those “last place finishes and no playoff berths” the Sox spent over 200 million while going over the luxury tax one of those years.

 

You might not like it, it might end up being s***** investments, but they’re going to spend the money somewhere.

 

They always do.