Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I mean, I don’t want to advocate trading Duran.  They certainly do have plenty of other assets to acquire pitching.  But I certainly would NOT complain if they parted with Jarren for a young ACE.

 

sox have lots of OF depth.

sox have very little high end pitching.

the math adds up.

Yes.

Yes

Yes.

 

 

[notin]

16 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Three instead of two = Freudian slip? 

1. Duran

2. Ellsbury

3. Erstadt

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, notin said:

1. Duran

2. Ellsbury

3. Erstadt

Yes, there are three names, that's not the issue.

[moonslav59]

6 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

so tell us who get and what it costs us to do so

I've mentioned a few ideas: something like trade Casas, Abreu and Yoshida for Bryce Miller and Garver. Then, sign Flaherty, Sewald and another arm.

Move Devers to 1B and Campbell to 3B. Start Anthony in RF and let Mayer, DHam, Grissom and Story work our who  starts in our middle infield.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Sox didn’t hold back Rafaela last year, if Anthony is mashing and they think he can help them on day one, why would they do that with him?

 

P.S. Anthony has no splits, he mashed both LHP/RHP

with Caminero graduating Roman Anthony now sits as the #1 prospect in all of baseball.

The offseason may be very interesting 

 

Gaining an extra year of service time can be golden, since it is in the player's prime.

Rafaela agreed to an extension: Anthony may not. BTW, I wasn't aware we held Rafaela back. It seemed to me, he jumped through the minors and into the majors, very quickly- before he ever figured out how to take a pitch.

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Been texting Jerry Dipoto again?

how did you find out ?

[Randy Red Sox]

38 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I've mentioned a few ideas: something like trade Casas, Abreu and Yoshida for Bryce Miller and Garver. Then, sign Flaherty, Sewald and another arm.

Move Devers to 1B and Campbell to 3B. Start Anthony in RF and let Mayer, DHam, Grissom and Story work our who  starts in our middle infield.

only Casas has any real value of those 3. Abreu might bring back a reliever

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

only Casas has any real value of those 3. Abreu might bring back a reliever

Abreu is a top 30 batter in MLB, this year and a plus defender on all metrics. He is pre-arb, and SEA needs offense while always respecting defense. I think you undersell him.

The only guy we get with value is Miller. Garver is a net negative. When you subtract Garver's money from Yoshida, he is no longer a negative. Garver is owed $13.5M, which turns Yoshida's deal from $18M x 3 to about $13M x 3, which is close to even.

Maybe it would have to be Casas, Abreu and E R-C straight up for Miller.

They may say no, but I think my suggested offer is ballpark.

[Hugh2]

53 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Gaining an extra year of service time can be golden, since it is in the player's prime.

Rafaela agreed to an extension: Anthony may not. BTW, I wasn't aware we held Rafaela back. It seemed to me, he jumped through the minors and into the majors, very quickly- before he ever figured out how to take a pitch.

That's my point, givin recent precedent, it doesn't seem like the Sox are going to hold him back unless he really struggles in ST.  If he's mashing they're going to look at starting him. 

 

Perhaps, if they don't trade any outfield depth and theres a full bill of health I could be wrong.  But I think there's a very good chance he starts. 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

That's my point, givin recent precedent, it doesn't seem like the Sox are going to hold him back unless he really struggles in ST.  If he's mashing they're going to look at starting him. 

 

Perhaps, if they don't trade any outfield depth and theres a full bill of health I could be wrong.  But I think there's a very good chance he starts. 

If we don't trade Abreu, we can wait until the end of April to call-up Anthony, and IMO, we should. I was told, that is all it takes to get that "extra year." 

If we do trade Abreu, then I'd think long and hard about going light for a few weeks for that extra year.

I do think there is an excellent chance Anthony breaks camp on the big club. (Maybe Campbell, too, but we have a lot of guys who play 2B that might do well enough to push him back 3 weeks.)

[notin]

20 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

only Casas has any real value of those 3. Abreu might bring back a reliever

BTV is only one source, but they value Abreu ($29.7 mill) higher than Casas ($27.9mill)

The primary reason is 5 years of control for Abreu and  4 years for Casas.  Secondary reason is Abreu has more defensive value, playing a tougher position better than Casas plays an easier one.

BTV gets their values through projected WAR vs projected salary.  Again, one source but most teams if not all probably do something similar…

[notin]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

If we don't trade Abreu, we can wait until the end of April to call-up Anthony, and IMO, we should. I was told, that is all it takes to get that "extra year." 

If we do trade Abreu, then I'd think long and hard about going light for a few weeks for that extra year.

I do think there is an excellent chance Anthony breaks camp on the big club. (Maybe Campbell, too, but we have a lot of guys who play 2B that might do well enough to push him back 3 weeks.)

Hopefully they offer Anthony a Chourio deal and he accepts.  Than his potential Super Two becomes irrelevant…

[Hugh2]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If we don't trade Abreu, we can wait until the end of April to call-up Anthony, and IMO, we should. I was told, that is all it takes to get that "extra year." 

If we do trade Abreu, then I'd think long and hard about going light for a few weeks for that extra year.

I do think there is an excellent chance Anthony breaks camp on the big club. (Maybe Campbell, too, but we have a lot of guys who play 2B that might do well enough to push him back 3 weeks.)

You lose an extra year, but you worry about that 6 years from now, you possibly gain a PPI pick, maybe two given Anthony's talent. 

The Sox thoughts on this could be a driving force towards any possible trades this offseason.  I think it's going to be interesting. 

[moonslav59]

What adds intrigue is the fact that none of the top 5 MAJOR LEAGUE READY prospects need to be protected for Rule 5, this winter. It is often the case, teams hold off adding them to the 40 (and 26,) as long as possible, so they can keep as many viable options on the roster for opening day.

Players going on the 60 Day IL cannot be placed there, until after opening day, and this further tightens the screws on roster selections. Now, we could place perales on the 60 day, after opening day, and add Anthony or Campbell, immediately afterwards, if we want them to have a slot. (Even if Perales is not placed on the 60-day IL, he is a player who will not see ML action in 2015, but takes up a slot on the 40. Wikelman is another, and he may need to be traded or DFA'd, if we face a roster crunch.

I do think we have plenty of players we can DFA without causing too much concern, and we will very likely make some trades from bottlenecked positions, but most other teams are looking at roster crunches, too and aren't looking at adding more "bubble players" to their mix. To make an extra slot, we'd have to trade 2 or 3 for 1, or trade a 40 man guy for a lower prospect.

[moonslav59]

A possible 40 Man Roster on Opening Day 2025: (38 listed, including 3 pitcher additions.)

SP: ____, Houck, Giolito (IL?) Crawford, Bello

Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins (R5,) Perales (to IL)

RP: Hendriks, _____, Slaten, Whitlock, _____, Winckowski, Kelly, Bernardino

Booser, Weissert, I Campbell, Guerrero, Fulmer (R5)

C: Wong, Heineman or ____

1B: Casas

2B: DHam, Grissom, 

SS: Story, Romy

3B: Devers

LF: Duran

CF: Rafaela, Jh Garcia (R5)

RF: Abreu, Refsnyder

DH: Yoshida, E Valdez

Add 2 from below or new additions:

Bubble: Mata, Murphy, Wikelman, Horn, Sogard, Gasper

Bubble Rule 5: Gambrell, Liu,  Bastardo, Monegro, Castro, Sikes, Jordan

[harmony]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Three instead of two = Freudian slip? 

Indeed poorly written. Thank you for the response.

[notin]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

A possible 40 Man Roster on Opening Day 2025: (38 listed, including 3 pitcher additions.)

SP: ____, Houck, Giolito (IL?) Crawford, Bello

Criswell, Priester, Fitts, Dobbins (R5,) Perales (to IL)

RP: Hendriks, _____, Slaten, Whitlock, _____, Winckowski, Kelly, Bernardino

Booser, Weissert, I Campbell, Guerrero, Fulmer (R5)

C: Wong, Heineman or ____

1B: Casas

2B: DHam, Grissom, 

SS: Story, Romy

3B: Devers

LF: Duran

CF: Rafaela, Jh Garcia (R5)

RF: Abreu, Refsnyder

DH: Yoshida, E Valdez

Add 2 from below or new additions:

Bubble: Mata, Murphy, Wikelman, Horn, Sogard, Gasper

Bubble Rule 5: Gambrell, Liu,  Bastardo, Monegro, Castro, Sikes, Jordan

 

Hoping Bernardino and Weissert are missing by then.

Am I the only one suspecting Fulmer might go to the rotation?

[moonslav59]

29 minutes ago, notin said:

 

Hoping Bernardino and Weissert are missing by then.

Am I the only one suspecting Fulmer might go to the rotation?

With Fitts and Priester, I think not. 

Are we sure Whitlock is done as a SP'er for this team?

Will Gio start the season on the IL?

Has Crawford become a pen vs rotation choice for 2025?

Too many unknowns.

[Bellhorn04]

30 minutes ago, notin said:

 

Hoping Bernardino and Weissert are missing by then.

Am I the only one suspecting Fulmer might go to the rotation?

Maybe after he shows he can still pitch...

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Are we sure Whitlock is done as a SP'er for this team?

 

Hell no.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Hell no.

He did have a nice 4 game start to 2024.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Hell no.

Right, because we now know past injuries cannot predict future injuries…

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

only Casas has any real value of those 3. Abreu might bring back a reliever

I don't know about that. As an OFer with good defense and more years of control than Casas, Abreu would have a lot of value. 1b just ain't what they used to be. 

[mvp 78]

40 minutes ago, notin said:

 

Hoping Bernardino and Weissert are missing by then.

Am I the only one suspecting Fulmer might go to the rotation?

Fulmer is relief only at this point. 

[notin]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Fulmer is relief only at this point. 

That’s been my assumption.

But now he has a rebuilt elbow.  And he does have a past that includes successful stints as a starter.

It’s one thing if he’s a candidate to hold the rotation slot for Giolito.  That’s not so bad.  I just hope they don’t bank on him in the rotation all year…

 

 

[notin]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

With Fitts and Priester, I think not. 

Are we sure Whitlock is done as a SP'er for this team?

Will Gio start the season on the IL?

Has Crawford become a pen vs rotation choice for 2025?

Too many unknowns.

I think the only ones who consider Crawford’s future role as “unknown” are the ones who don’t want to accept it.  His role is established.  He will be a starter next season, and most likely with the Boston Red Sox…

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, notin said:

I think the only ones who consider Crawford’s future role as “unknown” are the ones who don’t want to accept it.  His role is established.  He will be a starter next season, and most likely with the Boston Red Sox…

I do think they see him as a SP'er for 2025, and the questions are only among fans like me.

I think he'd be a very good mid/long man out of the pen- maybe a spot start, here and there. (Same with Whitlock.)

[Slasher9]

wish we could get pitchers like.....Chris Sale

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Slasher9 said:

wish we could get pitchers like.....Chris Sale

It's been a long time!

Pedro- trade The Duke

Lester- draft Theo

Beckett- trade Theo

Sale- trade DD

Wake- FA The Duke

Schilling- trade Theo

ERod- trade Ben

Buch- draft Theo

Porcello- trade Ben 

Price- signed by DD

D Lowe- trade The Duke

Lackey- signed by Ben

Nate- trade DD

Dice-K- signed by Theo

Houck-draft DD

I probably missed some, and the best since DD...

Pivetta- trade Bloom

 

[notin]

Wasn’t the Beckett trade done by Hoyer and Cherington while Theo was doing his Count of Monte Cristo thing in a gorilla suit?