Chris Sale traded to Braves

[Old Red]

I mean, who in here can honestly say the've never done that???? Honestly????

 

Besides me of course.

 

No one can, but that doesn’t make it right, or change anything, and it was very obvious why it was done, and why it was pointed out. If you haven’t done it then I haven’t done it either.

[Hugh2]

No one can, but that doesn’t make it right, or change anything, and it was very obvious why it was done, and why it was pointed out. If you haven’t done it then I haven’t done it either.

 

You're absolutely right

[mvp 78]

60 games are not a season. Also no fans. Also players in and out of covid.

 

In that case, 2021 doesn't count either due to limited fan attendence and constant COVID IL stints for players. Maybe can't count 2022 due to mandated vaccinations that caused certain players to be ineligible at times.

[Hugh2]

In that case, 2021 doesn't count either due to limited fan attendence and constant COVID IL stints for players. Maybe can't count 2022 due to mandated vaccinations that caused certain players to be ineligible at times.

 

I get what you're saying here, but I think these things are astronomically different. A player missing a week here and there is so much different than the entire freaking league only playing 1/3 of games.

 

It's not that 2020 doesn't matter, but it comes with a huge asterik. That's just the way it is.

[moonslav59]

I mean.....haven't we all changed our tune with this team???

 

The sham comments were about the Sox FO. My opinion has not changed on that, at all.

 

I expected us to finish better than2023 and near .500.

 

I was excited about watching the Sox from day one, but did not expect a playoff shot.

 

The guy calling me out bashed me for having fun watching the 2024 team in April and May.

[Old Red]

The sham comments were about the Sox FO. My opinion has not changed on that, at all.

 

I expected us to finish better than2023 and near .500.

 

I was excited about watching the Sox from day one, but did not expect a playoff shot.

 

The guy calling me out bashed me for having fun watching the 2024 team in April and May.

 

#1 I wasn’t the one who called you out, but I did think it was funny you doing your Cindy Lauper impression. 🙈🤭

[moonslav59]

I guess it'll have to be said a zillion times, but none of us wanted that contract. The Red Sox just didn't make a serious effort at a reasonable new extension.

 

Exactly, but we will never know what contract Bogey would have said yes to any any given time.

 

I wanted Bogey back; my point was only that not getting him back does not look as bad as it did in March, due to this bad half season.

 

Same with the Betts trade. It still sucks. Big time! But Wong is at least giving us more than Downs.

 

The Beni trade looks better now than at the time.

 

Even the Renfroe trade is now showing some returns.

[moonslav59]

This one's on moon (post #1218). What a s**t disturber!

 

lol!

 

Context, baby, context!

[moonslav59]

I mean, who in here can honestly say the've never done that???? Honestly????

 

Besides me of course.

 

Too funny! This from the guy that stalks me with my accurate sham posts.

[Old Red]

Too funny! This from the guy that stalks me with my accurate sham posts.

 

You brought stink, and stench up to Maine with you, and it still hasn’t all cleared out yet from So. Maine since you left. The guy that hides behind a curtain and cries wolf, or in your case stalking. Sad, but true.

[MADSTORK]

Sale 2017-18 in Boston was dominant

You make that trade any day of the week

 

18 playoff’s 15 IP 24 K , not the dominant Sale but he slammed the door on LA and is a Champion

 

Mistake was the contract extension from DD but that is for another thread

 

Injuries and age took its toll, was it time to move on? Absolutely

 

Far as compensation, again, where is the pitching? Yorke a high pick on the verge of a call up, why Grissom ?

 

End of day, Sale a champion

 

And yes those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

[moonslav59]

Sale 2017-18 in Boston was dominant

You make that trade any day of the week

 

18 playoff’s 15 IP 24 K , not the dominant Sale but he slammed the door on LA and is a Champion

 

Mistake was the contract extension from DD but that is for another thread

 

Injuries and age took its toll, was it time to move on? Absolutely

 

Far as compensation, again, where is the pitching? Yorke a high pick on the verge of a call up, why Grissom ?

 

End of day, Sale a champion

 

And yes those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

 

There are 8 or 9 players with a better OPS than Yorke, and Yorke sucks on D.

 

Those are the undisputed facts.

[Maxbialystock]

I believe 2020 was counted, and added to the record books for what it was.

 

I know it was. They played the games, so of course they have to count them and the season. But to me it was a sham season.

[mvp 78]

Sale 2017-18 in Boston was dominant

You make that trade any day of the week

 

18 playoff’s 15 IP 24 K , not the dominant Sale but he slammed the door on LA and is a Champion

 

Mistake was the contract extension from DD but that is for another thread

 

Injuries and age took its toll, was it time to move on? Absolutely

 

Far as compensation, again, where is the pitching? Yorke a high pick on the verge of a call up, why Grissom ?

 

End of day, Sale a champion

 

And yes those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

 

If you have a prospect arm close to MLB ready, you aren't trading him for an potential ticking time bomb in Sale. Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed.

[Old Red]

Another good outing from the Sale Man last night. 7.1 innings, 2 er, 2 hits, and 9 K’s.

[Randy Red Sox]

Another good outing from the Sale Man last night. 7.1 innings, 2 er, 2 hits, and 9 K’s.

 

when is Grissom back??

[moonslav59]

when is Grissom back??

 

He's played 4 games w Woo, since July 20th (2 for 14.)

 

My guess is, he is close to "ready," in terms of health, but I doubt we call him up, soon.

 

Rafaela has been doing okay at SS, and him playing SS allows for Duran and O'Neill to play FT and Abreu and Ref to platoon. A 2B platoon of DHam and Romy/Westbrook has done pretty good since the start of June.

 

Certainly, Grissom replacing Westbrook is possible, but if he's not playing much, keeping him playing everyday with Woo makes more sense.

 

[moonslav59]

This Paxton deal should more than make up for the loss of Sale and put this thread to a final resting place.

 

[Randy Red Sox]

This Paxton deal should more than make up for the loss of Sale and put this thread to a final resting place.

 

 

that is for sure especially when Sale picks up NL CY Young

[notin]

that is for sure especially when Sale picks up NL CY Young

 

But if the Sox kept him, no way does he win the NL Cy Young...

[Old Red]

But if the Sox kept him, no way does he win the NL Cy Young...

 

The fact is they didn’t keep Sale, and the Red Sox Now have to add pitching, because subbing Gio for Sale as Bell has said many times did nothing to the depth of the rotation.

[notin]

The fact is they didn’t keep Sale, and the Red Sox Now have to add pitching, because subbing Gio for Sale as Bell has said many times did nothing to the depth of the rotation.

 

Gee, wait. Are you saying the Sox trade of Sale didn't work out and that Giolito getting hurt has caused depth issues in the Sox rotation? How come no one has discussed this endlessly and repeatedly before?

 

You need to get this stuff out on a press release!! Time's a wastin'!!

[Old Red]

Gee, wait. Are you saying the Sox trade of Sale didn't work out and that Giolito getting hurt has caused depth issues in the Sox rotation? How come no one has discussed this endlessly and repeatedly before?

 

You need to get this stuff out on a press release!! Time's a wastin'!!

There was depth issues before Gio got hurt as the last three years has shown. It appears Brez didn’t get that memo.

[Maxbialystock]

This Paxton deal should more than make up for the loss of Sale and put this thread to a final resting place.

 

 

Irony still lives in talksox.

[notin]

There was depth issues before Gio got hurt as the last three years has shown. It appears Brez didn’t get that memo.

 

This needs endless discussion!!

[Old Red]

This needs endless discussion!!

 

There has been needless discussion on this, because the problem has existed all year long just as it was the previous 2 years. Problems lead to discussions, and there are still problems. Paxton to rescue?

Edited July 26, 2024 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Irony still lives in talksox.

 

It's sarcasm.

 

The Alanis Morissette song really messed up the meaning of "ironic."

[dgalehouse]

The obvious question is : Where would the Sox be today if they had Sale at the top of the rotation all year ? I don't think there is anything Grissom can do in the future to adequately compensate. The verdict is in. The trade was a big mistake. Nothing more to be said. Move on.

[Maxbialystock]

There was depth issues before Gio got hurt as the last three years has shown. It appears Brez didn’t get that memo.

 

Meh. I've blasted Breslow more than anyone else, but he's also the guy who insisted on a new pitching coach, Bailey. To me that was bigger than any pitching deal I can remember the Sox making.

 

And, in case you've forgotten, this 2024 Sox pitching staff is way better than the very pricey 2019 staff DD put together. When DD did that, he was a very experienced and skilled CBO, as he still is right now the Phillies--plus he basically had carte blanche with the Sox and easily the biggest payroll in MLB. Anything he wanted, he got--until the 2019 season unraveled. Then it was, see ya later, DD, and, see ya later, biggest payroll in MLB.

 

This is Breslow's first year, and, as pissed off as I am about Sale and Giolito, I'm pretty happy with him.

[moonslav59]

This needs endless discussion!!

 

Pitching depth is always something that gets discussed, and we lost 2 of our top 6 SP'ers (Gio & Whitlock) and maybe our 7th/8th SP'er in Murphy for the full season.

 

One can argue Houck (the 5/6 going into the season) and Criswell (perhaps the 7th/8th SP'er with Murphy) have done a fine job as depth. Our main problem has been with our pre-season #2 Bello and the inconsistency of our #4 Pivetta. Of course, having more depth would help mitigate those deficiencies, but the depth would have had to be really good to oust Bello from the rotation, and it's hard to imagine many cheap depth signings doing much better than Criswell has done.

 

Of course, keeping Sale would have done wonders for the Sox, this year. We'd have maybe started Houck in the pen, but maybe it would have been Whitlock, which might have prevented his injury. (Ideally, we'd have started Pivetta in the pen, but that was not going to happen, IMO.

 

1. Sale

2. Houck

3. Crawford

4. Bello

5. Pivetta/Criswell

 

...looks like the best in hindsight.