When should Bloom be fired?

[Hugh2]

I'm saying again that I bet JH already has an idea about who might be coming in. this just doesn't seem like a spur of the moment move to me. Successful business executives have plans before they make the big decisions as a rule.

 

If this is true, and it may be, then Kennedy lied....or at the very least misled us. Because he made it sound like they don't only not know who it will be but that the search may take them a long time.

[mvp 78]

I would like to submit my application to replace Bloom. What I will do to the 2024 team.

 

I will bring in two starting pitchers who are of ACE caliber.

I will make the defense up the middle and in the outfield better

I will keep the farm intact.

I will invest more money and resources in the scouting department. Both at the amateur level to draft better and be more successful at identifying pitchers, and also at the Milb and MLB level to better identify guys who can be fixed or who provide more of an opportunity to produce higher value than their market value will compared to the ability of other teams to do such.

I will invest heavily in the best dieticians, and strength and conditioning coaches at ALL Levels from the Florida complex leagues up to the MLB level. with the goal of improving total health outcomes, reducing injuries, and maximing athletic performance.

I will give weekly press conferences and take questions directly from the media with full transparency.

 

When do we get fat baseball players like Rich Garces, Greg Luzinski, Cecil Fielder, Kent Hrbek, John Kruk, Tony Gwynn and CC Sabathia? I have to disagree with the dietician stuff. Fat is the new market inefficiency.

[mvp 78]

If this is true, and it may be, then Kennedy lied....or at the very least misled us. Because he made it sound like they don't only not know who it will be but that the search may take them a long time.

 

I mean, this would be the very first time that Sammy has lied to us!!!!

[cp176]

There were posts, probably not by you, that claimed that we had a very pro-Bloom site and that our views were not consistent with the rest of Red Sox Nation.

 

I think that many of us including myself have been pro Bloom to some extent. In my personal case that is simply being loyal and very hopeful. thankfully the people that post here are pro Red Sox which does include the GM. I like this site. Most of the frequent posters are really pretty objective about things whether they disagree with an opinion or not.

[cp176]

If this is true, and it may be, then Kennedy lied....or at the very least misled us. Because he made it sound like they don't only not know who it will be but that the search may take them a long time.

 

hmmm -

[Hugh2]

When do we get fat baseball players like Rich Garces, Greg Luzinski, Cecil Fielder, Kent Hrbek, John Kruk, Tony Gwynn and CC Sabathia? I have to disagree with the dietician stuff. Fat is the new market inefficiency.

 

You have misinterpreted my post. I will bring in a dietician to make sure they all fatten up.

 

Fridays are now ICE CREAM SOCIALS!!!!

[Maxbialystock]

Who?

 

I've seen a lot of pro-Chaim people on Twitter lamenting the firing, but I don't think you'll see it here. The idea that there was a contingent of pro-Bloom posters on here that didn't exist elsewhere was false. It's actually worse on other sites.

 

While I recognize that all managers and CBO's are hired to be fired, I'm inclined to be supportive of the incumbents. I have supported Bloom because I understood JH's intent to go in a new direction, which included spending less.

 

That was/is unprecedented in the 20+ seasons of the John Henry era, which has been hugely successful because of a willingness to spend to bring in better arms and bats than were coming up through the Sox system.

 

On the other hand, a whole bunch of talksoxers have provided specific examples of Bloom era acquisitions that haven't worked out--as well as Sox players who went to other teams and did well.

 

The current team can no longer gripe about all the talent on the IL because most everyone is healthy/available--and they are still playing lousy baseball. By that I mean hitting, especially with RISP, pitching, defense, and baserunning.

 

Heck, forget all those things and just look at their won-lost record since Sale, Story, Duvall, Reyes, Whitlock, Houck, et al, have returned from the IL.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Maxbialystock

[cp176]

When do we get fat baseball players like Rich Garces, Greg Luzinski, Cecil Fielder, Kent Hrbek, John Kruk, Tony Gwynn and CC Sabathia? I have to disagree with the dietician stuff. Fat is the new market inefficiency.

 

Maybe you are really on to something here - those were some pretty good ballplayers even though a bit stout. I'll bet this list could go on and on.

[dgalehouse]

Kennedy summed it up when he said " ultimately, results always matter. " That is what some of us have been saying all along. In business, results are very important. And the results have not been good.

[a700hitter]

I guessed right. Who else was with me?

[moonslav59]

Kennedy summed it up when he said " ultimately, results always matter. " That is what some of us have been saying all along. In business, results are very important. And the results have not been good.

 

Yes, I can't believe I ept hearing posters saying

[sk7326]

What if Rafealla can't hit and Duran turns back into a pumpkin? Yoshida can't play LF anywhere, while there is potential there, there's also potential for that outfield to be disastrous and you're also losing Duval to FA.

 

Dugo should NOT be traded. Rafeala might be better with a full season under his belt and Anthony is ready to play full-time in the bigs by 2025. Just let it ride with Dugo and take the QO pick.

 

The points are valid but if a guy can be a 70/80 center fielder, the threshhold for offense is not high at all. Really where the team is in so many positions, the floor doesn't concern me all that much.

[sk7326]

No, but a lot of people seem to think so.

 

There are some here who think the Sox resetting the luxury tax limit is evidence they don't want to be big time spenders anymore.

 

The Dodgers are Tampa North!

[Bellhorn04]

The Dodgers are Tampa North!

 

Tampa West?

[a700hitter]

Bloom wasn’t bad at everything. He demonstrated aptitude at cleaning the ballpark in between games of a double header. Maybe he can start a cleaning service.

[Old Red]

I guessed right. Who else was with me?

 

Hell yea!

[moonslav59]

Tampa West?

 

Houston was Tampa Central, for a short while.

 

We drew the short stick.

[mvp 78]

You have misinterpreted my post. I will bring in a dietician to make sure they all fatten up.

 

Fridays are now ICE CREAM SOCIALS!!!!

 

Oh hells yes...

[mvp 78]

Maybe you are really on to something here - those were some pretty good ballplayers even though a bit stout. I'll bet this list could go on and on.

 

Kirby Puckett? Babe Ruth?

[mvp 78]

I guessed right. Who else was with me?

 

I was dumb and didn't make the poll public...

[mvp 78]

@MacCerullo

Sam Kennedy said the #RedSox haven't decided how they will fill Bloom and O'Halloran's positions, whether it will be one person or two and what the top guy's title will be (Chief Baseball Officer, GM, President of Baseball Ops, etc.)

 

I don't think they need two guys...

[mvp 78]

I think BOH was there because he was JH's pet for 20 years and they wanted someone on the inside.

[vjcsmoke]

I'm just glad to be rid of him.

 

Hopefully we find a better replacement who isn't afraid to make the tough calls to improve the big club.

 

Hoarding prospects is all well and good but you can't lose sight of the fact that the whole reason for the farm system is to benefit the big league club. And I was just never convinced that Bloom understood this.

[moonslav59]

I'm just glad to be rid of him.

 

Hopefully we find a better replacement who isn't afraid to make the tough calls to improve the big club.

 

Hoarding prospects is all well and good but you can't lose sight of the fact that the whole reason for the farm system is to benefit the big league club. And I was just never convinced that Bloom understood this.

 

It seems he might have been canned for not trading vets for prospects not vice versa.

[notin]

It seems he might have been canned for not trading vets for prospects not vice versa.

 

I don’t mind him gone because he’s simply shown he cannot make moves at the deadline to help the team. Both the 2022 and 2023 teams were in the playoff hunt at the deadline. And both years he did essentially nothing. The team didn’t need Eric Hosmer. Not even remotely.

 

Off the plan is to buy, then buy. If the plan is to sell, sad but at least trade some players off. Want to try both at once? I’m all for the challenge! Make it happen.

 

But the one thing you simply cannot do is nothing, which Bloom did twice…

[a700hitter]

I don’t mind him gone because he’s simply shown he cannot make moves at the deadline to help the team. Both the 2022 and 2023 teams were in the playoff hunt at the deadline. And both years he did essentially nothing. The team didn’t need Eric Hosmer. Not even remotely.

 

Off the plan is to buy, then buy. If the plan is to sell, sad but at least trade some players off. Want to try both at once? I’m all for the challenge! Make it happen.

 

But the one thing you simply cannot do is nothing, which Bloom did twice…

The Hosmer move was a real head scratcher.

[moonslav59]

The Hosmer move was a real head scratcher.

 

It was so minor, it is hardly worth mentioning.

 

We gave up Jay Groome, who would not have been protected on rule 5, anyway.

 

We also got back Corey Rosier, who looks better than Groome, plus Max Ferguson, a guy who stole about 80 bases, last year.

 

Groome did not pitch 1 inning, this year.

[moonslav59]

I don’t mind him gone because he’s simply shown he cannot make moves at the deadline to help the team. Both the 2022 and 2023 teams were in the playoff hunt at the deadline. And both years he did essentially nothing. The team didn’t need Eric Hosmer. Not even remotely.

 

Off the plan is to buy, then buy. If the plan is to sell, sad but at least trade some players off. Want to try both at once? I’m all for the challenge! Make it happen.

 

But the one thing you simply cannot do is nothing, which Bloom did twice…

 

You forgot the great Urias & McGuire!

[moonslav59]

I don’t mind him gone because he’s simply shown he cannot make moves at the deadline to help the team. Both the 2022 and 2023 teams were in the playoff hunt at the deadline. And both years he did essentially nothing. The team didn’t need Eric Hosmer. Not even remotely.

 

Off the plan is to buy, then buy. If the plan is to sell, sad but at least trade some players off. Want to try both at once? I’m all for the challenge! Make it happen.

 

But the one thing you simply cannot do is nothing, which Bloom did twice…

 

He did get Abreu (and EValdez) for Vaz, last year, but I agree, trying to play it halfway or both ways accomplished nothing.

[Randy Red Sox]

It was so minor, it is hardly worth mentioning.

 

We gave up Jay Groome, who would not have been protected on rule 5, anyway.

 

We also got back Corey Rosier, who looks better than Groome, plus Max Ferguson, a guy who stole about 80 bases, last year.

 

Groome did not pitch 1 inning, this year.

 

keep defending your guy. Sox are now 2 games behind the NYY in last place again in the AL East--3rd time in 4 years with your guy in charge