When should Bloom be fired?

[mvp 78]

With the visible smoke and buzzards, it's probably time to start placing our bets.

[sk7326]

If he is canned, it'd make sense to happen the day after the season.

 

Jason McLeod or Amiel Sawadye would each make a ton of sense, the latter in particular. Eddie Romero would be a great story and solid hire also.

[iortiz]

On October, right away. And Cora has to go with him.

[mvp 78]

If they had a replacement today that was better than Bloom (THEO), I'd say just rip the bandaid off. I don't think they really are close to getting that. Anyone they get is just rearranging furniture.

 

Could BOH do the job without Bloom?

[Bellhorn04]

If they had a replacement today that was better than Bloom (THEO), I'd say just rip the bandaid off. I don't think they really are close to getting that. Anyone they get is just rearranging furniture.

 

Could BOH do the job without Bloom?

 

What do we know about BOH?

[Dipre]

Never. Let him die on the job.

[Elktonnick]

Yesterday

[mvp 78]

What do we know about BOH?

 

https://www.mlb.com/redsox/team/front-office/brian-ohalloran

 

I guess he's a CIA plant. Before working in baseball, he spent two years studying ethnic conflict in Tbilisi, Georgia, and three years supervising business operations for an international logistics company in Moscow, Russia.

[dgalehouse]

Bloom has already lasted longer than Dombrowski , which is kind of astonishing considering the team's performance under each of them. If Theo wants the job , I would make the change right now. Otherwise, give Bloom another year to try and get better results. There are quite a few young , talented players in the system. I don't think they should make a change just for the sake of change or to appease the disgruntled fans.

[Dipre]

Bloom has already lasted longer than Dombrowski , which is kind of astonishing considering the team's performance under each of them. If Theo wants the job , I would make the change right now. Otherwise, give Bloom another year to try and get better results. There are quite a few young , talented players in the system. I don't think they should make a change just for the sake of change or to appease the disgruntled fans.

 

A nuanced response to a problem that's not really black and white. I keep thinking he may just have executed the plan as drawn up to this point. With a much stronger farm system and a better position regarding lux tax concerns, it would seem like this offseason would be the actual litmus test for Bloom's long-term plan for this franchise.

[mvp 78]

A nuanced response to a problem that's not really black and white. I keep thinking he may just have executed the plan as drawn up to this point. With a much stronger farm system and a better position regarding lux tax concerns, it would seem like this offseason would be the actual litmus test for Bloom's long-term plan for this franchise.

 

Oh yeah? But whataboutism:

 

@alexspeier

Announced attendance -- paid tickets -- is 30,029. It's the lowest attendance at Fenway for a Red Sox-Yankees game (not including pandemic-restricted crowd sizes of 2021 and 2020) since May 27, 1999.

 

[sk7326]

I will say that I have trouble blaming Bloom too much. That the Red Sox have more banners than any team over the last 20 years is kind of remarkable when you see how the organization has lurched from one direction to another with almost no sense of continuity at all (particularly since Theo's departure). I always found the firing of Dombrowski to be tawdry - since he did exactly what management wanted him to do ... cash in the prospects and deliver a World Series. Henry making a shocked face when discovering the team had a high payroll and a spent farm system was downright silly.

 

Bloom is obviously not blameless for the last few years - as much as hitters have higher floors than pitchers and are safer bets, pitcher is still like a position that you have to staff on a major league ballclub - but he has done what management has wanted, rebuild the farm with some real star ceiling. (well as long as the ceiling isn't working from the pitchers' mound) And of course, Bloom has fulfilled one of his key roles in this group - as a human shield for ownership. He has done that admirably.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Remember when Dombro was fired and ownership spin was that he couldn't be trusted as the guy to restructure the franchise by cutting payroll and restocking the farm?

 

Now, is Bloom really the guy they'll trust to reinvigorate the club by finally spending big on free agent starting pitching, while also finally trading off some of the farm?

[moonslav59]

Remember when Dombro was fired and ownership spin was that he couldn't be trusted as the guy to restructure the franchise by cutting payroll and restocking the farm?

 

Now, is Bloom really the guy they'll trust to reinvigorate the club by finally spending big on free agent starting pitching, while also finally trading off some of the farm?

 

That's the $50M question.

 

If JH truly wants to stick to a plan for more than 4 years, instead of swinging wildly from one extreme to another, maybe he sticks with Bloom a bit longer, but if he does can him, I doubt he brings in a wild spender with bent on trading a bunch prospects.

 

I think he will seek a balanced GM, with a history of doing well with big signings and building up the full system, not just the 26.

[notin]

What do we know about BOH?

 

He doesn’t exist. He’s like Randall Stevens in The Shawshank Redemption…

[notin]

That's the $50M question.

 

If JH truly wants to stick to a plan for more than 4 years, instead of swinging wildly from one extreme to another, maybe he sticks with Bloom a bit longer, but if he does can him, I doubt he brings in a wild spender with bent on trading a bunch prospects.

 

I think he will seek a balanced GM, with a history of doing well with big signings and building up the full system, not just the 26.

 

Tend to think Henry thinks wanton spending isn’t the best way to run a team.

 

That said, I’d be very happy if the Sox at least got someone who makes even a half-ass effort to improve the team at the trade deadline..

[notin]

Oh yeah? But whataboutism:

 

@alexspeier

Announced attendance -- paid tickets -- is 30,029. It's the lowest attendance at Fenway for a Red Sox-Yankees game (not including pandemic-restricted crowd sizes of 2021 and 2020) since May 27, 1999.

 

 

Weird it was lower in 1999, when the Sox had Pedro, Manny, Nomar, and that series was an ALCS preview…

[Duran Is The Man]

he doesn’t exist. He’s like randall stevens in the shawshank redemption…

 

lol

[oldtimer]

That's the $50M question.

 

If JH truly wants to stick to a plan for more than 4 years, instead of swinging wildly from one extreme to another, maybe he sticks with Bloom a bit longer, but if he does can him, I doubt he brings in a wild spender with bent on trading a bunch prospects.

 

I think he will seek a balanced GM, with a history of doing well with big signings and building up the full system, not just the 26.

 

I would have supported Bloom until recent events which show us as near or at the bottom of the AL East with perhaps even a losing record. Serious decisions will need to be made and soon. I would hope we could find a better over all decision maker than Bloom. He has rebuilt the prospect list but now we have to decide who to keep and who to trade to achieve a balanced team that can at least be competitive in the league.

[cp176]

I would like to see him get one more just to really find out if he can get the job done. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is gone before the first snowfall though.

[Bellhorn04]

'If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well / It were done quickly' - MacBeth

[mvp 78]

Remember when Dombro was fired and ownership spin was that he couldn't be trusted as the guy to restructure the franchise by cutting payroll and restocking the farm?

 

Now, is Bloom really the guy they'll trust to reinvigorate the club by finally spending big on free agent starting pitching, while also finally trading off some of the farm?

 

I think they need someone in between.

[notin]

I think they need someone in between.

 

Do they know I’m available?

[mvp 78]

Weird it was lower in 1999, when the Sox had Pedro, Manny, Nomar, and that series was an ALCS preview…

 

It was MUCH easier to get tickets back then. Even for Pedro starts you could walk up and get tickets on gameday. I got tickets to a Bartolo Colon v Pedro matchup that way back then.

 

I think things started to take off after the '99 playoffs from what I remember.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The TV show Naked and Afraid may not sum up Bloom at every trade deadline, but his favorite method of in-season player acquisition is too familiar with contestants rooting through tree bark and flipping over rocks to find edible grubs and slugs. In Red Sox Nation, ingesting the dubious has resulted in distressing gastro issues that could cause too many fans to tap out.

 

And now ownership has no idea if they finally let Bloom stumble out of the rain forest and into a Waffle House, if he'll overstuff himself with too much rich food and have to have his stomach pumped.

[mvp 78]

The TV show Naked and Afraid may not sum up Bloom at every trade deadline, but his favorite method of in-season player acquisition is too familiar with contestants rooting through tree bark and flipping over rocks to find edible grubs and slugs. In Red Sox Nation, ingesting the dubious has resulted in distressing gastro issues that could cause too many fans to tap out.

 

And now ownership has no idea if they finally let Bloom stumble out of the rain forest and into a Waffle House, if he'll overstuff himself with too much rich food and have to have his stomach pumped.

 

I don't agree. Per reports, he held onto JD in 2022 AND WENT OVER THE CBT LIKE AN IDIOT because he thought the return wasn't high enough. I think he has a value assigned to every player and he moves on if the trade or FA signing isn't exactly lining up. Sometimes you have to take a hit for the betterment of the ballclub. He should have dealt JD and other players no matter what to get under the CBT last year.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't agree. Per reports, he held onto JD in 2022 AND WENT OVER THE CBT LIKE AN IDIOT because he thought the return wasn't high enough. I think he has a value assigned to every player and he moves on if the trade or FA signing isn't exactly lining up. Sometimes you have to take a hit for the betterment of the ballclub. He should have dealt JD and other players no matter what to get under the CBT last year.

 

IMHO the mistake last year was going over the CBT in the first place. What was the point of that, when you're in the middle of a 5 year plan?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't agree. Per reports, he held onto JD in 2022 AND WENT OVER THE CBT LIKE AN IDIOT because he thought the return wasn't high enough. I think he has a value assigned to every player and he moves on if the trade or FA signing isn't exactly lining up. Sometimes you have to take a hit for the betterment of the ballclub. He should have dealt JD and other players no matter what to get under the CBT last year.

 

Not disagreeing with that in any way. Nobody here was a huge JD fan, as if he would still be the missing link in the heart of the order like when he first signed. No one thought JD would be able to hop over the second base bag to preserve his ankles long enough to hit the Sox into the postseason.

 

As for starting pitching -- does anyone think Bloom can actually force himself to commit the large amounts of longterm dollars it will take to land more than one legitimate arm it will take to make this sports franchise relevant again? But what if meant his very job? Imagine how hard it will be for him to even trade away one of his actual prospects...

 

Would you trade Mayer for Corbin Burnes and Brandon Woodruff? Baseball Trade Values accepted that swap (though Brewers wouldn't). It also accepted Burnes and Devin Williams. The point is that Mayer's value is so high as a prospect that dealing him -- not promoting him -- just may be the fastest way to improve the Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

Would you trade Mayer for Corbin Burnes and Brandon Woodruff? Baseball Trade Values accepted that swap (though Brewers wouldn't). It also accepted Burnes and Devin Williams. The point is that Mayer's value is so high as a prospect that dealing him -- not promoting him -- just may be the fastest way to improve the Sox.

 

Burnes and Woodruff are both free agents after 2024.

[illinoisredsox]

Weird it was lower in 1999, when the Sox had Pedro, Manny, Nomar, and that series was an ALCS preview…

 

Looked it up in Baseball Reference. It was a make-up game from a rainout on May 24th. But Speir messed this up; BR has the game listed as being in Yankee Stadium.