Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[notin]

On Yamamoto

 

He’s indicated a preference to sign with s as team that would give him a Kapanedr teammate. Right now, only two of his Orix Buffalo teammates are property of an MLB team. One is Yoshida. The other is Rangel Ravelo, who signed with Seattle yesterday. Did Seattle sign the rather fungible Ravelo in hopes of him being a familiar face to entice Yamamoto?

[moonslav59]

On Yamamoto

 

He’s indicated a preference to sign with s as team that would give him a Kapanedr teammate. Right now, only two of his Orix Buffalo teammates are property of an MLB team. One is Yoshida. The other is Rangel Ravelo, who signed with Seattle yesterday. Did Seattle sign the rather fungible Ravelo in hopes of him being a familiar face to entice Yamamoto?

 

I think that comment was retracted.

 

MLBTR reported...

 

Martino also adds a clarification to a statement made by Wolfe earlier in the week, as the agent told Japanese media during a conference call that his client would have no problem playing with another Japanese player. Due to a translation error, this was incorrectly interpreted as Wolfe saying that Yamamoto was prioritizing teams that already had at least one Japanese player on the roster, which isn’t the case.

[moonslav59]

BTV accepts this deal that I seriously doubt the CWS would agree to...

 

Yorke

Schreiber

Perales

Valdez

Drohan (Yorke and Drohan not on 40, so a 3 for 2 roster trade)

 

for

 

Cease & Jimenez (The CWS do save a boatload of money.)

 

[harmony]

In former Red Sox news, Pablo Sandoval hit a six-run homer in Dubai:

 

https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/former-mlb-all-star-pablo-sandoval-6-run-home-run-highlights-wild-action-in-dubai-league-baseball-united

[moonslav59]

In former Red Sox news, Pablo Sandoval hit a six-run homer in Dubai:

 

https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/former-mlb-all-star-pablo-sandoval-6-run-home-run-highlights-wild-action-in-dubai-league-baseball-united

 

We shoulda kept Pablito around.

[Randy Red Sox]

Maybe Breslow wasn’t so sold on Gray?

 

Maybe he did match but Gray chose St. Louis? We really don’t know to what extent the Sox were involved, if at all, and may never know.

 

Or maybe (re:most likely), Breslow didn’t bother with Gray because he was focusing on other pitchers. He’s already been connected to Montgomery. Msybe they’re talking to Yamamoto’s people? This was the fist week anything could happen on that front.

 

I won’t hold what Breslow doesn’t do against him until he actually does something…

 

IMO Montgomery is a better than avg SP but not a true #1 or even #2. I agree it is too early to judge Breslow but I just fear he may be under the same financial constraints Bloom was under. Time will tell

[Duran Is The Man]

In former Red Sox news, Pablo Sandoval hit a six-run homer in Dubai:

 

https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/former-mlb-all-star-pablo-sandoval-6-run-home-run-highlights-wild-action-in-dubai-league-baseball-united

 

looks like there were tens of people there to see it.

[notin]

I think that comment was retracted.

 

MLBTR reported...

 

Martino also adds a clarification to a statement made by Wolfe earlier in the week, as the agent told Japanese media during a conference call that his client would have no problem playing with another Japanese player. Due to a translation error, this was incorrectly interpreted as Wolfe saying that Yamamoto was prioritizing teams that already had at least one Japanese player on the roster, which isn’t the case.

 

 

I think we all know it would be. In no way anything the most sought-after free agent pitcher in the entire market and the biggest Japanese import since Daisuke is going to be allowed to publicly eliminate anyone from his market, whether he meant it or not.

 

Of course it will be a factor, just not the significant one Sox fans could use…

[moonslav59]

IMO Montgomery is a better than avg SP but not a true #1 or even #2. I agree it is too early to judge Breslow but I just fear he may be under the same financial constraints Bloom was under. Time will tell

 

Again, it depends on your view of what a "true #2" is. The guy has been top 30 in just about every significant category from 2021-2023. He'd be the best pitcher on 10-15 teams and the second best on almost all the rest. To me, that's a number 2, at worst.

 

That being said, I hope he's the second best pitcher we add, this winter.

[moonslav59]

Apparently, the translation was messed up. The comment was not technically "retracted," as I stated before.

 

All things equal, he'd probably prefer a teammate who was Japanese, IMO.

[Bellhorn04]

"Waiting For Moto", a tragicomedy in two acts, by Samuel Kennedy and Josh Beckett.

[notin]

My thought processes have never been consistent -- at least, I don't think so. But it's so reassuring to have posters on a forum based entirely on discussion consistently point out the flaws of others' opinions.

 

Correcting a misleading statement happens to most people. I get fact-checked as much as anyone. Sometimes I acknowledge. Sometimes I ignore. Sometimes I probably don’t see it.

 

But saying John Flaherty wasn’t left off the playoff roster isn’t “nitpicking” and it sure as Hell isn’t a matter of opinion. It’s fixing a 100% misleading statement.

 

Sorry if you don’t want these errors corrected. But at least I respond directly to you and don’t quietly attack your commentary in a series of posts that all contain the phrase “some people out here will tell you” or “some posters out here will tell you” and then finish that statement with my content. Maybe I need to switch my tactics over to the clearly more acceptable Subtle Backhanded Stab (this last sentence should be in green, and it needs to be a real deep green. Maybe like a pine green. But not hunter green, because hunter green isn’t a green at all. He’s a Red.)

[notin]

Apparently, the translation was messed up. The comment was not technically "retracted," as I stated before.

 

All things equal, he'd probably prefer a teammate who was Japanese, IMO.

 

My point(and theory) is, of course it was retracted because it limited his options. I doubt translation was a factor despite the statement

[moonslav59]

My point(and theory) is, of course it was retracted because it limited his options. I doubt translation was a factor despite the statement

 

I don't know Japanese, but it would be interesting to know what he actually said and the most common translation.

 

Certainly, the reason it was corrected is obvious.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Correcting a misleading statement happens to most people. I get fact-checked as much as anyone. Sometimes I acknowledge. Sometimes I ignore. Sometimes I probably don’t see it.

 

But saying John Flaherty wasn’t left off the playoff roster isn’t “nitpicking” and it sure as Hell isn’t a matter of opinion. It’s fixing a 100% misleading statement.

 

 

Believe me, I am so sorry for miswording, because I was not trying to mislead you or anyone -- especially additional posters who feel they have to chime in to blast others, when they don't have anything interesting to share about baseball with the board.

 

Here, let me rephrase: after being acquired at the deadline, Giolito and Flaherty were either cut or left off the playoff starting rotation by their new clubs.

 

The reason is that they both sucked. And now to back up that opinion, I use a statistic still universally accepted, even on this forum: ERA. Gio had a 6.89 for LA, then a 7.04 for Cleveland (who added him for the stretch run). Flaherty had a 6.75 for Baltimore.

 

For a team trying to get back into contention, it might be best to avoid recruiting either...

[mvp 78]

Some people out here think they are fact checked as much as anyone, but really I'm the truly the MOST fact checked poster even though I take weekends off!

[mvp 78]

Believe me, I am so sorry for miswording, because I was not trying to mislead you or anyone -- especially additional posters who feel they have to chime in to blast others, when they don't have anything interesting to share about baseball with the board.

 

Here, let me rephrase: after being acquired at the deadline, Giolito and Flaherty were either cut or left off the playoff starting rotation by their new clubs.

 

The reason is that they both sucked. And now to back up that opinion, I use a statistic still universally accepted, even on this forum: ERA. Gio had a 6.89 for LA, then a 7.04 for Cleveland (who added him for the stretch run). Flaherty had a 6.75 for Baltimore.

 

For a team trying to get back into contention, it might be best to avoid recruiting either...

 

Giolito had a bit of shine for a while, but he's had two straight years of YUCK. If they are signing him he'd be another 5th starter, but with more upside. He would probably be an overpaid 5th starter though. His peripherals aren't great either.

 

Flaherty is probably a much cheaper option than Giolito, but you have to go even further back to find him being productive. He COULD be better than Kutter, but I think I'd rather just use money spent on Flaherty towards the top of the rotation instead.

 

Just get two really good to great pitchers please.

[notin]

Some people out here think they are fact checked as much as anyone, but really I'm the truly the MOST fact checked poster even though I take weekends off!

 

Unfair post!! If anyone counters it, it becomes self-fulfilling!

 

Does that count as a fact check?

[notin]

Giolito had a bit of shine for a while, but he's had two straight years of YUCK. If they are signing him he'd be another 5th starter, but with more upside. He would probably be an overpaid 5th starter though. His peripherals aren't great either.

 

Flaherty is probably a much cheaper option than Giolito, but you have to go even further back to find him being productive. He COULD be better than Kutter, but I think I'd rather just use money spent on Flaherty towards the top of the rotation instead.

 

Just get two really good to great pitchers please.

 

 

Giolito for some reason was actually pretty high on MLBTRs Top 50 list. Given his last two years, it’s a question if he belonged at all.

 

One bad season is certainly forgiveable. But the rapidly diminishing luster on Giolito has dropped him down to Pillow Contract Candidate as his ceiling.

 

However, if the Sox do acquire some budget breaker like Yamamoto, is a one year deal for Giolito a better fit?

[mvp 78]

Giolito for some reason was actually pretty high on MLBTRs Top 50 list. Given his last two years, it’s a question if he belonged at all.

 

One bad season is certainly forgiveable. But the rapidly diminishing luster on Giolito has dropped him down to Pillow Contract Candidate as his ceiling.

 

However, if the Sox do acquire some budget breaker like Yamamoto, is a one year deal for Giolito a better fit?

 

Aside from providing innings, does he give the Red Sox anything better than what they currently have? I'm not sure and he's going to be expensive.

[harmony]

MLB.com lists its top five starting pitchers who might be available in a trade this offseason:

 

Best starting pitchers available by trade in 2023-24 offseason

WWW.MLB.COM

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We know that this winter’s free agent market is much stronger in pitching than it is in position players, but at the same time, we also know that there’s not nearly enough supply to meet demand. It’s not that hard to find a contender who could use a starter, because

 

On Tuesday columnist Jim Bowden at The Athletic matched the Red Sox with free agent lefthander Blake Snell under a seven-year, $174 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/5095038/2023/11/28/mlb-free-agents-hot-stove-matchmaking/

Edited November 28, 2023 by harmony

[mvp 78]

MLB.com lists its top five starting pitchers who might be available in a trade this offseason:

 

Best starting pitchers available by trade in 2023-24 offseason

WWW.MLB.COM

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We know that this winter’s free agent market is much stronger in pitching than it is in position players, but at the same time, we also know that there’s not nearly enough supply to meet demand. It’s not that hard to find a contender who could use a starter, because

 

On Tuesday columnist Jim Bowden at The Athletic matched the Red Sox with free agent lefthander Blake Snell under a seven-year, $174 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/5095038/2023/11/28/mlb-free-agents-hot-stove-matchmaking/

 

Bowden is a scumbag who doesn't know what he's talking about. Not sure why the Athletic gave him a job.

[moonslav59]

MLB.com lists its top five starting pitchers who might be available in a trade this offseason:

 

Best starting pitchers available by trade in 2023-24 offseason

WWW.MLB.COM

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We know that this winter’s free agent market is much stronger in pitching than it is in position players, but at the same time, we also know that there’s not nearly enough supply to meet demand. It’s not that hard to find a contender who could use a starter, because

 

On Tuesday columnist Jim Bowden at The Athletic matched the Red Sox with free agent lefthander Blake Snell under a seven-year, $174 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/5095038/2023/11/28/mlb-free-agents-hot-stove-matchmaking/

 

Bieber's arm issue is scary, otherwise, he'd be a no-brainer.

[moonslav59]

Interesting to see STL already sign 3 SP'ers: Gray, Lynn and Gibson- not that the last 2 were highly sought after.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Interesting to see STL already sign 3 SP'ers: Gray, Lynn and Gibson- not that the last 2 were highly sought after.

 

I could see the Cards going retro -- Lynn McGlothen, Hoot Gibson -- but Pete Gray only had one arm.

[sk7326]

Aside from providing innings, does he give the Red Sox anything better than what they currently have? I'm not sure and he's going to be expensive.

 

I think the innings eater could be his floor. If you think you can get him for 2/24 or something, there is probably more upside with him than other pitchers in that end of the pool. You can argue about whether we should be shopping in that end, but that is a different deal.

[sk7326]

Interesting to see STL already sign 3 SP'ers: Gray, Lynn and Gibson- not that the last 2 were highly sought after.

 

The Cardinals have often been able to get good performance out of the pitchers, Lynn and Gibson make sense as some end of the rotation/swing potential.

[sk7326]

MLB.com lists its top five starting pitchers who might be available in a trade this offseason:

 

Best starting pitchers available by trade in 2023-24 offseason

WWW.MLB.COM

---

We know that this winter’s free agent market is much stronger in pitching than it is in position players, but at the same time, we also know that there’s not nearly enough supply to meet demand. It’s not that hard to find a contender who could use a starter, because

 

On Tuesday columnist Jim Bowden at The Athletic matched the Red Sox with free agent lefthander Blake Snell under a seven-year, $174 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/5095038/2023/11/28/mlb-free-agents-hot-stove-matchmaking/

 

Of the trade targets listed, Cease is the most interesting to me - you get the extra control and the strikeout rate is at least an indicator that there was some bad luck involved with last year.

 

Seattle to me doesn't make sense to just trade Gilbert - they have actual aspirations of being good.

[notin]

Aside from providing innings, does he give the Red Sox anything better than what they currently have? I'm not sure and he's going to be expensive.

 

There is value in innings, but if he’s cost prohiythat would defeat the whole point…

[mvp 78]

I think the innings eater could be his floor. If you think you can get him for 2/24 or something, there is probably more upside with him than other pitchers in that end of the pool. You can argue about whether we should be shopping in that end, but that is a different deal.

 

I think it's the same argument. They should spend the vast majority of their offseason money at the top of the rotation. Giolito would be a backup to the backup plan.