Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

A lot of the guys I wanted didn't really seem to heading anywhere else other than where they signed.

 

Nola

Yamamoto

 

Depeding on the price, I still woudn't hate Montgomery/Snell.

 

No matter what happens, I don't want a long term Snell deal. Anything more than 4 years is scary to me.

[Hugh2]

No matter what happens, I don't want a long term Snell deal. Anything more than 4 years is scary to me.

 

Ok, but if you go 7 you might get his next Cy young.

 

2024 - average pitcher

2025 - CY YOUNG

2026 - average pitcher

2027 - average pitcher

2028 - average pitcher

2029 - average pitcher

2030 - CY YOUNG

[Hugh2]

the last comment didn't include italics.

[mvp 78]

True, but at 16 years old it so much more of a crap shoot. They did sign a total of 34 pitchers that year. Sox have a decent history of finding guys for less than 1 Million.

 

Bello $28,000

Monegro $35,000

Wikelman Gonzalez $250,000

Luis Perales $75,000

 

I would have liked to see them take some larger swings though. to be fair, theres' still 50 weeks left this period. I wonder if this means they won't make a run at Sasaki, or they figure he won't be posted this year? He wants to be posted now, but will make hundreds of millions more if he waits a year.

 

The Sasaki situation is very weird IMO. I don't know what kind of advice he's receiving. Maybe he thinks he's just going to kill it with advertising?

[mvp 78]

Ok, but if you go 7 you might get his next Cy young.

 

2024 - average pitcher

2025 - CY YOUNG

2026 - average pitcher

2027 - average pitcher

2028 - average pitcher

2029 - average pitcher

2030 - CY YOUNG

 

So spend 30AAV for 4 straight years on an average pitcher during a time when all your prospects should be good enough for playoff pushes? That's when the 30M should be going towards bona fide aces.

[Hugh2]

So spend 30AAV for 4 straight years on an average pitcher during a time when all your prospects should be good enough for playoff pushes? That's when the 30M should be going towards bona fide aces.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't sign him to that deal, I was being sarcastic.

 

Unless that deal is an AAV that he almost certainly will not accept E.G. 20 million.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Sasaki situation is very weird IMO. I don't know what kind of advice he's receiving. Maybe he thinks he's just going to kill it with advertising?

 

The Sox are reportedly interested and plan to go all in on an offer that includes 100 months of incentives, with an opt-out after 95, when Roki has a good chance to live to 30.

[mvp 78]

The Sox are reportedly interested and plan to go all in on an offer that includes 100 months of incentives, with an opt-out after 95, when Roki has a good chance to live to 30.

 

0.01% chance he comes to Boston.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

0.01% chance he comes to Boston.

 

Please, come to Boston for the Springtime

You can pitch cold wet nights and wreck your arm

 

... sang the #1 fan of SamBrezBaileee

[notin]

0.01% chance he comes to Boston.

 

Honestly, very optimistic…

[Randy Red Sox]

The top $$$'s still went to SS (Cespedes, Arias, Ruiz totaling 2.4M over half the pool).

 

SS are the best athletes. they can all move to other positions. Who needs P anyway?

[Randy Red Sox]

No matter what happens, I don't want a long term Snell deal. Anything more than 4 years is scary to me.

 

well he is going to get more than 4 years from someone. he could actually make a difference as he is a #1 when healthy but yes it certainly is a risk that I don't see Henry approving

[Larry Cook]

We offered imanaga two years, with a chance to earn another two years?????

 

We are intent on going short years with pitchers, yet we have very little on the farm coming up to replace guys.

 

We are not signing any highly ranked international arms.

 

I am not sure I understand our long term pitching strategy????

[mvp 78]

SS are the best athletes. they can all move to other positions. Who needs P anyway?

 

Seems like this year's IFA top money is going to 2 OFers, 3B, P and only 1 SS.

[mvp 78]

We offered imanaga two years, with a chance to earn another two years?????

 

We are intent on going short years with pitchers, yet we have very little on the farm coming up to replace guys.

 

We are not signing any highly ranked international arms.

 

I am not sure I understand our long term pitching strategy????

 

Would love to hear about it at a Town Hall type discussion.

[moonslav59]

Crawford isn't a tweener IMO.

 

Pending health:

 

Bello - 180 IP

Giolito - 190 IP

Pivetta - 170 IP

Crawford - 150 IP

Tweener (Houck) - 120 IP

 

To me, he's a tweener.

 

I get the argument that just about every pitcher looks better as a RP'er han a SP'er, but to me, Crawford would be better used as a RP'er (long man,) as does Whitlock, Houck and maybe even Pivetta.

 

Pivetta looks like the first choice to be in the rotation, to me.

 

With Crawford and Whitlock both in the pen, I feel better with Houck as the SP'er over Crawford, but with the plan to pull him after the first 18 batters.

 

Some numbers:

 

Crawford in 2023

4.51 as SP (108 IP) .706 OPS Against

1.66 as RP (22 IP) .471 OPS Against

(Career: 5.05 to 3.35 and .757 to .592)

 

This bothers me more than those splits:

Yes, he had a horrible first start (7 ER in 4 IP,) and his numbers were decent after that, but he also dropped off, towards the end of the season.

 

Once he became a FT SP'er:

3.71 ERA/3.92 FIP (15 GS and 70 IP)

5.40/2.94 (6 GS and 28 IP)

 

or

 

3.68/3.67 first 11 GS (51 IP) once becoming a FT SP'er.

4.75/3.62 last 10 GS (47 IP)

[Larry Cook]

Crawford isn't a tweener IMO.

 

Pending health:

 

Bello - 180 IP

Giolito - 190 IP

Pivetta - 170 IP

Crawford - 150 IP

Tweener (Houck) - 120 IP

 

If bres-slow does happen to sign or trade for a decent starting pitcher, then our starting rotation goes from dreadful to mediocre?????

[Hugh2]

SS are the best athletes. they can all move to other positions. Who needs P anyway?

Their best pitchers in the 2019/20 class got 35,000 (Monegro) and $75,000 (perales)

 

2018-19 it was Wikelman ($250,000K)

 

Bello got $28,000

 

I'd actually prefer they go QTY in IFA. THere's 11.5 months left to sign and draft pitchers.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Would love to hear about it at a Town Hall type discussion.

 

Keep wishing, fanboy, and let the pros handle the pros. You just lube up with enough $12 beers so you can squeeze into your $150 grandstand seat behind the pole, but finish your $7 Fenway frank before the 7th inning stretch and we'll let you sing-along for free with Neil Diamond.

[notin]

SS are the best athletes. they can all move to other positions. Who needs P anyway?

 

Plus everyone knows the position you play at 17 is your position for life!!

[Dipre]

Plus everyone knows the position you play at 17 is your position for life!!

 

Ask HOF'er Trevor Hoffman. He's a clear example that once you're drafted at a position, that's where you'll play.

[notin]

Ask HOF'er Trevor Hoffman. He's a clear example that once you're drafted at a position, that's where you'll play.

 

Bret Saberhagen, too…

[Hitch]

Come on. The disappointment isn't that any of the starting pitchers who signed so far are great, it's just that all are better than the one guy Boston inked.

 

At least they were last year. And as usual since the Bloom Era began, the only ballplayers the Sox have added this offseason are question marks and hopefuls: can Giolito reclaim past glory? can O'Neill stay on the field? can Grissom play D good enough to keep his bat in the line-up? If everything goes right, they will replace Sale, Verdugo, and one of the lost bats of Turner or Duvall -- from a fifth-place team...

 

The big disappointment right now, more than any Bloom offseason (Betts and Bogaerts were just depressing), is that despite a change at the top of the front office, and a promise by one of the owners, the Red Sox have not made any major moves to improve.

 

There are still gaping holes in the rotation that even casual fans can see -- but will as many of them still pay to keep watching?

 

Out of everyone on that list, only Sonny Gray the majority are saying, would have been good to have. I personally would have liked Gurriel, too, but that's by the by. So 1 player.

 

64% of free agents are still out there. On January 15th. It's a pretty crappy free agent class take out the two big ones as it is, and on top of this, the whole offseason is slow for the entire league bar the Dodgers.

 

People are acting like the roster is set and the end of the world is already with us. Let's see where we are end of ST. The gnashing of teeth from the same 5 or 6 people on this forum is so intense it must be keeping Asia awake.

[Larry Cook]

Their best pitchers in the 2019/20 class got 35,000 (Monegro) and $75,000 (perales)

 

2018-19 it was Wikelman ($250,000K)

 

Bello got $28,000

 

I'd actually prefer they go QTY in IFA. THere's 11.5 months left to sign and draft pitchers.

 

After the tragedy with the catcher. We seem to have shifted strategy and gone from pursuing one highly ranked signing and a couple lower ranked signings to a bunch of lower ranked signings

[Old Red]

Out of everyone on that list, only Sonny Gray the majority are saying, would have been good to have. I personally would have liked Gurriel, too, but that's by the by. So 1 player.

 

64% of free agents are still out there. On January 15th. It's a pretty crappy free agent class take out the two big ones as it is, and on top of this, the whole offseason is slow for the entire league bar the Dodgers.

 

People are acting like the roster is set and the end of the world is already with us. Let's see where we are end of ST. The gnashing of teeth from the same 5 or 6 people on this forum is so intense it must be keeping Asia awake.

 

March 28th is all that counts. Some are dreaming about fire sales already, and the prospect of prospects maybe being good sometime between now, and 2028. Most of the fans I hear, see, or read about are only concerned about 2024 at the moment. I guess some are just skipping 2024 altogether.

[Hitch]

March 28th is all that counts. Some are dreaming about fire sales already, and the prospect of prospects maybe being good sometime between now, and 2028. Most of the fans I hear, see, or read about are only concerned about 2024 at the moment. I guess some are just skipping 2024 altogether.

 

Who is dreaming of fire sales? Name them, because I can't recall anyone wanting that.

[Hitch]

No matter what happens, I don't want a long term Snell deal. Anything more than 4 years is scary to me.

 

Would you do Snell at something like 3 years $110?

 

A lot more noise coming out about him not having much chance at the numbers he wants, so maybe go shorter and higher.

[mvp 78]

If bres-slow does happen to sign or trade for a decent starting pitcher, then our starting rotation goes from dreadful to mediocre?????

 

Yup. That's what happens if you have a #3 starter as your best pitcher.

[mvp 78]

Their best pitchers in the 2019/20 class got 35,000 (Monegro) and $75,000 (perales)

 

2018-19 it was Wikelman ($250,000K)

 

Bello got $28,000

 

I'd actually prefer they go QTY in IFA. THere's 11.5 months left to sign and draft pitchers.

 

The quantity hasn't given them too much in recent years. We'll see how things change under Crag.

[mvp 78]

Out of everyone on that list, only Sonny Gray the majority are saying, would have been good to have. I personally would have liked Gurriel, too, but that's by the by. So 1 player.

 

64% of free agents are still out there. On January 15th. It's a pretty crappy free agent class take out the two big ones as it is, and on top of this, the whole offseason is slow for the entire league bar the Dodgers.

 

People are acting like the roster is set and the end of the world is already with us. Let's see where we are end of ST. The gnashing of teeth from the same 5 or 6 people on this forum is so intense it must be keeping Asia awake.

 

People were saying prior to the offseason that it was a great FA class for the Sox to need pitching. Is that not the case?