Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[notin]

When is the last time the Red Sox set the market for free agent pitchers?

 

Lackey…

[Bellhorn04]

When is the last time the Red Sox set the market for free agent pitchers?

 

The Red Sox have never really set the market for anything, I don't think. When they did really start to spend, it was more like responding to the Yankees.

[notin]

Not now, but in his only year as a Red Sox in 2022: 11 wins, 2 losses.

 

The problem is signing him for 2023 to pitch in 2022. Maybe if the Sox hire HG Wells as a pitching coach?

[Bellhorn04]

Lackey…

 

That wasn't a market setter, just a mildly surprising overpay.

[Bellhorn04]

The problem is signing him for 2023 to pitch in 2022. Maybe if the Sox hire HG Wells as a pitching coach?

 

Right, as moon said about Martin Perez, Bloom just missed on the TIMING.

[Bellhorn04]

For Ohtani the bidding might START at $500 million...

[notin]

Right, as moon said about Martin Perez, Bloom just missed on the TIMING.

 

Exactly! Ditto Springs.

 

But he might have gotten Wacha in a timely fashion…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That’s the thing, who are you going to sign?

 

I’d rather roll the Dice with Ohtani next year than have signed a 40 year old Verlander. Trading for an Ace is a viable option, but makes more sense to deplete your farm when the big league club is already strong.

 

Still wish we signed Senga. He provided much more upside than clubber.

 

Boston could afford to acquire two top starters for less than what it will cost for one Ohtani.

 

The Red Sox could avoid next winter's New York and California bidding war for Ohtani, and sign Julio Urias for a fraction of the cost. And then go after another available top starter via trade, like Corbin Burnes.

 

Sox fans forget how much difference it makes having not one but two good, dependable, healthy starting pitchers leading the rotation all season.

[moonslav59]

When is the last time the Red Sox set the market for free agent pitchers?

 

Price was the last time they paid market price for a top SP'er, but they have never "set the price" on a SP'er.

[moonslav59]

When you spend no more than $10M/1 on a SP'er, you get what you pay for.

 

$10M/1 Richards

$10M/1 Kluber

$11M/2 Perez

$10M/2 Paxton

$7M/1 Wacha

$5M/1 Hill

 

This is basically it, since the Sale extension under DD.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe if the Sox hire HG Wells as a pitching coach?

 

They did, he's coaching Paxton, The Invisible Man.

[mvp 78]

Houck 4.29

Pivetta 4.58

Whitlock 6.19

Sale 8.22

Kluber 8.50

Bello 9.82

 

Whitlock and Bello's could easily trend in the other direction after a few starts. Sale and Kluber's?

[mvp 78]

Great post. Neither the apologists nor the not-sorryists can post facts to refute your opinions.

 

Marcelo Mayer will be here sooner than anyone expects. Maybe the Red Sox will then choose to "surround him with talent" -- like Bloom promised when they signed Devers -- and invest in legitimate starting pitchers.

 

Meanwhile, a .500 record is reasonable with this year's rotation.

 

Who are the Bloom apologists? So many people on here tilting at windmills these days. I don't understand it.

[mvp 78]

What Chaim really should say: "Let's face it folks, the starters I sign are likely to suck, so just be glad I only sign them for a year." Now that would be some honesty.

 

"I'm going to have some cap room and I'm going to get really weird with it."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

When you spend no more than $10M/1 on a SP'er, you get what you pay for.

 

$10M/1 Richards

$10M/1 Kluber

$11M/2 Perez

$10M/2 Paxton

$7M/1 Wacha

$5M/1 Hill

 

This is basically it, since the Sale extension under DD.

 

Come on -- if everything goes right,[/i] we'll win as many as we lose...

 

... and Sam Kennedy is all-in, absolutely.

 

And all the Bloom staffers go doot-dedoot-dedoot-dootodootdoot...

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox have never really set the market for anything, I don't think. When they did really start to spend, it was more like responding to the Yankees.

 

With Henry in charge, they will never be that organization.

[mvp 78]

Come on -- if everything goes right,[/i] we'll win as many as we lose...

 

... and Sam Kennedy is all-in, absolutely.

 

And all the Bloom staffers go doot-dedoot-dedoot-dootodootdoot...

 

The Sox are a .500 team with a dumpster fire rotation. If everything went right, they'd be much better.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Sox are a .500 team with a dumpster fire rotation. If everything went right, they'd be much better.

 

They're exactly a .500 team because of their rotation: good game, bad game, win, loss, even-steven, steady-eddie, one step forward, two steps back, feeling better, need to be better -- there's no reason to expect anything else... but fans can hope:

 

"If only Sale and Kluber were as good as they were, and Whitlock and Houck were as good as they'll be, and someone would just keep Bello in the bigs, and Paxton actually pitched in a Red Sox major league game..."

 

Sing it, Carly: These are Pivetta days!

[Old Red]

The Sox are a .500 team with a dumpster fire rotation. If everything went right, they'd be much better.

 

Their record may say the Red Sox are a 500 team, but take away a dropped fly ball, which would have ended the game, and some catcher interferences this team would be treading water try to get there.

[notin]

Their record may say the Red Sox are a 500 team, but take away a dropped fly ball, which would have ended the game, and some catcher interferences this team would be treading water try to get there.

 

The Sox are 3-6 in one run games. There are more “what if” opportunities going the other way…

[Hugh2]

The Red Sox have never really set the market for anything, I don't think. When they did really start to spend, it was more like responding to the Yankees.

 

Wrong. David Price. Same ownership.

[Hugh2]

With Henry in charge, they will never be that organization.

 

Anything that happened once is possible, and can happen again.

 

I’ve been here for decades. Every time someone says Henry will never zig instead of zagging, he zigs.

 

Not saying it will happen, or even that we are the front runners. But we shouldn’t be very surprised if the Sox make a serious run at Ohtani next year.

[Bellhorn04]

Their record may say the Red Sox are a 500 team, but take away a dropped fly ball, which would have ended the game, and some catcher interferences this team would be treading water try to get there.

 

It's not like we don't hand out a few gifts here and there. That stuff tends to even out.

[Bellhorn04]

Anything that happened once is possible, and can happen again.

 

I’ve been here for decades. Every time someone says Henry will never zig instead of zagging, he zigs.

 

Not saying it will happen, or even that we are the front runners. But we shouldn’t be very surprised if the Sox make a serious run at Ohtani next year.

 

We shouldn't be surprised if they express interest. But going toe-to-toe with the Dodgers and Mets and whoever for Ohtani? I don't think so.

[Hugh2]

We shouldn't be surprised if they express interest. But going toe-to-toe with the Dodgers and Mets and whoever for Ohtani? I don't think so.

 

Right, because as I clearly just showed, this organization has no ability to set the market.

 

That’s just a cynical take. If anything, maybe the Sox reset this year because they want to go hard after Ohtani. If they seriously wanted him, they can compete for him.

[Old Red]

Anything that happened once is possible, and can happen again.

 

I’ve been here for decades. Every time someone says Henry will never zig instead of zagging, he zigs.

 

Not saying it will happen, or even that we are the front runners. But we shouldn’t be very surprised if the Sox make a serious run at Ohtani next year.

Very surprised? I think everyone would be shocked to death if JH told Bloom to go out, and make a serious offer to Ohtani. The Angels have two of the best players in Ohtani, and Trout, and where has that got them? Devers, and Ohtani, and who else?

[moonslav59]

Their record may say the Red Sox are a 500 team, but take away a dropped fly ball, which would have ended the game, and some catcher interferences this team would be treading water try to get there.

 

Glass half emptyism.

 

A few lineshot outs hit a few feet to the left or right and we're 15-9.

 

We've had our share of lucky wins, no doubt, but we've been snake-bitten as many games, if not more. We are 3-6 in one-run games. Make that 5-4 and we're ahead of the Yanks in the standings.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Wrong. David Price. Same ownership.

 

That was not a market setter.

[moonslav59]

To me, signing a top 2-3 FA will happen, at some point, and maybe this coming winter, but the thing we might need more than that, and what I feel is a "longer shot," is to make a blockbuster trade for an ace or ace-to-be.

 

It has been our signature trademark since acquiring Pedro, before Henry & Co. arrived. Adding Schilling, Beckett and Sale provided major pushes to subsequent ring seasons. Adding lesser guys like Porcello, Peavy & Nate via trades made a difference, too, but the blockbusters were needed, IMO.

 

Yes, the Price and Lackey signings helped, too. Yes, the farm providing Lester and fodder for trades helped, too, but it was the trades that won us rings. No trade- No rings!

 

Now, this doesn't mean it's the only way to build a ring-worthy rotation, but IMO, we will not be signing Ohtani. (That being said, the chances we trade Mayer or Casas/Rafaela/Bello are very slight, too.)

[notin]

That was not a market setter.

 

Who cares about “market setter”? As long as they are in market range.

 

Earlier you said Lackey wasn’t market setter, just an overpay. What’s the difference?

 

I am asking because I think everyone’s definition might be different, which makes the conversation difficult…