A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[Bellhorn04]

could someone please draw up an EASIER schedule for the Sox. Maybe we could play a Little League team for our next 4 games??

 

Is this supposed to be a complaint?

[moonslav59]

The Rays seem to be struggling, now, but they might have built up an insurmountable lead. The Mariners almost blew another game, last night but pulled it out in 10 innings. Despite the win, we failed to gain on any of our closest competitors.

 

74-46 BAL (ALE)

72-48 TEX (ALW)

63-56 MIN (ALC) Same record as Red Sox

 

WC

72-50 TBR WC1

69-52 HOU WC2

67-54 TOR WC3

 

64-55 SEA -2.0 TOR/-4.0 HOU/-6.5 TBR

63-56 BOS -1.0 SEA/-3.0 TOT/ -5.0 HOU/-7.5 TBR

 

60-60 NYY -3.5 BOS

 

MLB

Sox are ranked 12th in winning %

-0.5 from 11th (SFG)

-1.0 SEA 10th

-1.5 PHI/MIL 9th & 10th

-3.0 TOR 8th best record in MLB

 

 

 

[Old Red]

could someone please draw up an EASIER schedule for the Sox. Maybe we could play a Little League team for our next 4 games??

 

Can’t play Maine, because they are playing in the big show tomorrow. Go Maine!

[Old Red]

I see the merits from both sides of the debate, and I share the concerns about a few players like Yoshida or older players. Certainly, I want catchers resting more often.

 

However, I do think some players can and should play 156-159 games, a year, if they are...

 

Young & healthy

Don't have major issues vs LHPs or RHPs

Are a big step up from their replacement

Not slumping

 

When the team has a guy like Refsnyder, who has killed LHPs for 2 years, I'm fine with rotating the LHB OF'ers rest days.

 

When the team has a guy like Turner, I'm fine with resting Casas v LHPs, but why is he getting days off vs RHPs, and starting some vs LHPs? Because he was "scheduled" for the day off, day or weeks ahead of time? (I disagree.)

 

Playing Turner at 1B, also allows Yoshida to "rest" by playing DH. Yoshida has DH'd 41 times, this year. I'm not sure he needs 16 rest days by mid August.

 

I like this debate. Some good points are being made, all around, but so far, none have changed my mind.

 

I also agree with Bell. Cora's opinion matters more than any poster's here, including mine.

 

I respect his opinion more than any one else's, including mine. (This will drive Red nuts.)

 

 

 

 

Well I guess those 16 rest days weren’t enough, because he’s getting another rest day today.

[mvp 78]

I'll take Cora's opinion over a message board poster's opinion, no matter how much I might respect the poster's opinion. It's as simple as that.

 

Wth?

[moonslav59]

Well I guess those 16 rest days weren’t enough, because he’s getting another rest day today.

 

Maybe Yoshida should be considered a "special case" due to not being used to a 162 game schedule, but I'm sorry. 41 starts as a DH should be close to enough "rest." by itself.

 

16 days off, already is overkill.

 

Just my opinion.

[Bellhorn04]

Wth?

 

???

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe Yoshida should be considered a "special case" due to not being used to a 162 game schedule, but I'm sorry. 41 starts as a DH should be close to enough "rest." by itself.

 

16 days off, already is overkill.

 

Just my opinion.

 

He's in a slump. Maybe he has a health issue we don't know about.

 

And wasn't he out for a week or so with some issue?

 

I guarantee Cora isn't sitting him just for the hell of it.

[Bellhorn04]

Yoshida missed 4 games in April with a minor injury of some sort.

 

But those are being included in his "rest days".

 

Some of these complaints are really getting stupid.

[Old Red]

Maybe Yoshida should be considered a "special case" due to not being used to a 162 game schedule, but I'm sorry. 41 starts as a DH should be close to enough "rest." by itself.

 

16 days off, already is overkill.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I agree 100%. The most games Yoshida has played is 143, and that was 4 years ago.

[Old Red]

He's in a slump. Maybe he has a health issue we don't know about.

 

And wasn't he out for a week or so with some issue?

 

I guarantee Cora isn't sitting him just for the hell of it.

Said he’s hit that damm proverbial wall.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Said he’s hit that damm proverbial wall.

 

No proverbs on the board.

[Bellhorn04]

Said he’s hit that damm proverbial wall.

 

Nah, he's just a pussy. Keep running him out there until he's useless.

[Old Red]

Nah, he's just a pussy. Keep running him out there until he's useless.

 

You mean like keep hitting those ping pong balls to the IF? All of the OF have been getting rest anyways, because Cora has been rotating them, which I don’t think has really helped any of them, because seems like all their bats have not been doing much lately.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Old Red

[Old Red]

Yoshida missed 4 games in April with a minor injury of some sort.

 

But those are being included in his "rest days".

 

Some of these complaints are really getting stupid.

 

Ichiro played 150+ games 13 times up until age 41. I guess they just don’t make them like they used to.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Yoshida missed 4 games in April with a minor injury of some sort.

 

But those are being included in his "rest days".

 

Some of these complaints are really getting stupid.

 

Okay, subtract 4 from 16, and maybe a couple more, too.

 

He plays an easy position, physically and DH'd 41 times.

 

It's a valid argument, whether you agree with our side or not.

[Duran Is The Man]

i get a rest day in the middle or later in the season, but in the middle of a hot streak is stupid. and just as bad is a rest day during the first few weeks of the season.

[Bellhorn04]

Okay, subtract 4 from 16, and maybe a couple more, too.

 

He plays an easy position, physically and DH'd 41 times.

 

It's a valid argument, whether you agree with our side or not.

 

It's a complaint based on nothing other than adding up games played.

 

If the team was playing s***** such complaints would be more understandable.

[Bellhorn04]

i get a rest day in the middle or later in the season, but in the middle of a hot streak is stupid. and just as bad is a rest day during the first few weeks of the season.

 

Common sense might say you're right about the hot streak thing, but where's the data? If there's no data, it's just guesswork.

[mvp 78]

I agree 100%. The most games Yoshida has played is 143, and that was 4 years ago.

 

143 games is the 162 equivalent in Japan.

[Bellhorn04]

We have 6 guys to cover the 4 spots of outfield and DH:

 

Duran

Duvall

Refsnyder

Turner

Verdugo

Yoshida

 

Pretty hard for them all to play 162, ain't it?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

143 games is the 162 equivalent in Japan.

 

... where they have every Monday off (no games scheduled), and never get jetlag (or trainlag, or skateboardlag)

[Old Red]

We have 6 guys to cover the 4 spots of outfield and DH:

 

Duran

Duvall

Refsnyder

Turner

Verdugo

Yoshida

 

Pretty hard for them all to play 162, ain't it?

 

That’s what I said. since Duvall has come back all of the OF has gotten plenty of rest, and I can’t see that has helped their play any especially their bats.

[Old Red]

143 games is the 162 equivalent in Japan.

 

Thanks for the info. Good to know.

[Bellhorn04]

That’s what I said. since Duvall has come back all of the OF has gotten plenty of rest, and I can’t see that has helped their play any especially their bats.

 

Hitters can slump whether they're playing every day or have been rested a lot.

 

Ted Williams said something about the difficulty of hitting, I think.

 

But sure, let's blame it all on the manager, it's easy, it's simple.

[Old Red]

Hitters can slump whether they're playing every day or have been rested a lot.

 

Ted Williams said something about the difficulty of hitting, I think.

 

But sure, let's blame it all on the manager, it's easy, it's simple.

 

I’m just saying that none of the OF have hit as well since more of a rotation has happened since Duvall has come back.

[moonslav59]

It's a complaint based on nothing other than adding up games played.

 

If the team was playing s***** such complaints would be more understandable.

 

It's based on more than that. We are talking differing philosophies, and this started with a comp with the Braves- not as a complaint against Cora.

 

We are not in the playoff slot, now, so maybe we'd have done better had Yoshida and other top players played more.

 

Maybe not.

[moonslav59]

We have 6 guys to cover the 4 spots of outfield and DH:

 

Duran

Duvall

Refsnyder

Turner

Verdugo

Yoshida

 

Pretty hard for them all to play 162, ain't it?

 

My beef with the OF rest days is wrong handed days off and maybe hot streaks.

 

At 1B, why is Casas given any days off vs RHPs while getting some v LHPs?

[Bellhorn04]

My beef with the OF rest days is wrong handed days off and maybe hot streaks.

 

At 1B, why is Casas given any days off vs RHPs while getting some v LHPs?

 

OK, you said Casas has started 80 out of 85 vs RHP.

 

Which 5 games didn't he start? How was he hitting at the time? He wasn't hitting much at all in April and May. Who started instead?

 

If you're really going to dig into this you have to go all the way with it.

[moonslav59]

OK, you said Casas has started 80 out of 85 vs RHP.

 

Which 5 games didn't he start? How was he hitting at the time? He wasn't hitting much at all in April and May. Who started instead?

 

If you're really going to dig into this you have to go all the way with it.

 

I thought being hot or cold did not matter, to you.

 

Even so, why did he start.....

 

81 games out of 86 vs RHPs and not 86?

 

12 games out of 22 vs LHPs, instead of 7 (take away the 5 games v RHPs and add days off here.)

 

I don't recall Casas being hurt for 5 scattered games.

 

I don't recall us facing only RHPs for 14 straight days, where he "needed" rest.

 

I don't have to show dates. If you think he needed those 5 days off, then you show me why.

 

BTW, Cora did the same with Ref, last year, but changed, this year. (Still not totally, though.)

Edited August 16, 2023 by moonslav59