A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[Old Red]

Nobody should have expected they'd all be at 100% day one or two.

 

All the talk about just 2 "opener games" not being reason enough to trade for a SP'er neglects this aspect as well as the effect it had on the pen in subsequent games.

Wink may be wearing down a bit.

[moonslav59]

Wink may be wearing down a bit.

 

He has had a few previous meltdowns, then came back. It's hard to tell, but you could be right.

 

He used to be a SP'er, so it's not the IP, IMO.

[mvp 78]

Wink may be wearing down a bit.

 

Prior to yesterday, people were saying "he's looking so great right now." (1.50 ERA, 1.93 FIP 8/1 - 8/15) One bad game and he's toast again.

[mvp 78]

Nobody should have expected they'd all be at 100% day one or two.

 

All the talk about just 2 "opener games" not being reason enough to trade for a SP'er neglects this aspect as well as the effect it had on the pen in subsequent games.

 

No, but people kept saying "just wait until they come back." Wait for what? Three injured guys working on reduced innings and potentially reduced effectiveness for a few weeks? Fun!

[moonslav59]

No, but people kept saying "just wait until they come back." Wait for what? Three injured guys working on reduced innings and potentially reduced effectiveness for a few weeks? Fun!

 

Yes, several posters said that, and then they defended those statements by saying "We only had two pen games after the deadline."

[Old Red]

Prior to yesterday, people were saying "he's looking so great right now." (1.50 ERA, 1.93 FIP 8/1 - 8/15) One bad game and he's toast again.

 

I don’t think may be wearing down, and toast again are the same thinking. He has appeared in a lot of games.

[Old Red]

No, but people kept saying "just wait until they come back." Wait for what? Three injured guys working on reduced innings and potentially reduced effectiveness for a few weeks? Fun!

 

Especially with the season winding down.

[Old Red]

Yes, several posters said that, and then they defended those statements by saying "We only had two pen games after the deadline."

 

It was never about the deadline for me, but the amount of time when all 3 injured P went down until they came back, and still haven’t come back 100%.

[mvp 78]

Yes, several posters said that, and then they defended those statements by saying "We only had two pen games after the deadline."

 

If they really wanted to compete, they needed a guy that could go 6 innings consistently prior to the deadline. They didn't do that. That tells me they didn't really want to compete and they should have ____ at the _______.

[mvp 78]

It was never about the deadline for me, but the amount of time when all 3 injured P went down until they came back, and still haven’t come back 100%.

 

Or the plan of going into the season with aging and injury risk pitchers. There was always a chance that it was going to blow up.

[Old Red]

If they really wanted to compete, they needed a guy that could go 6 innings consistently prior to the deadline. They didn't do that. That tells me they didn't really want to compete and they should have ____ at the _______.

 

I keep hearing this, but why wouldn’t they want to compete? What’s the downside? Just appeasing the fans would be an upside especially when they want to raise ticket prices again.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, several posters said that, and then they defended those statements by saying "We only had two pen games after the deadline."

 

OTOH I don't think there was anyone here who was happy that they didn't get a starter.

[mvp 78]

I keep hearing this, but why wouldn’t they want to compete? What’s the downside? Just appeasing the fans would be an upside especially when they want to raise ticket prices again.

 

Don't want to spend $$$? Don't want to go over the CBT?

[Old Red]

Don't want to spend $$$? Don't want to go over the CBT?

 

You mean like going over the CBT last year? They didn’t need to break the bank to bring another starter who could give you 5-6 innings.

[Bellhorn04]

You mean like going over the CBT last year? They didn’t need to break the bank to bring another starter who could give you 5-6 innings.

 

Look at the bright side, though, man, they didn't trade Paxton!

[Dipre]

No, but people kept saying "just wait until they come back." Wait for what? Three injured guys working on reduced innings and potentially reduced effectiveness for a few weeks? Fun!

 

Got tired of saying that they shouldn't expect them to be good off the bat.

[moonslav59]

OTOH I don't think there was anyone here who was happy that they didn't get a starter.

 

True. Some just seemed more okay with not doing anything than others.

[Dipre]

The guy I liked just wasn't coming here. That being Verlander.

[vegasbob]

2023 rehab starts: 4

2022 rehab starts: 4

2021 rehab starts: 4

 

But they rushed him back this year!!!!

 

Let's see; 2021, 2022, 2023 rehabs. Sort of tells the story in only a few digits ?

[mvp 78]

Let's see; 2021, 2022, 2023 rehabs. Sort of tells the story in only a few digits ?

 

How many rehab starts will he have next season?

[moonslav59]

How many rehab starts will he have next season?

 

All of them.

 

LOL

[vegasbob]

Wink may be wearing down a bit.

 

Perhaps the cumulative effect of bullpen overuse since Day 1 of 2023 ? Exacerbated by the July stretch of missing 3 starters and doing nothing about it , except hire a private bus from Worcester to Boston and back daily.

[vegasbob]

How many rehab starts will he have next season?

 

I'm going with 4 . Is there any scenario where Sale could be traded in the loooong upcoming off season ?

[moonslav59]

I'm going with 4 . Is there any scenario where Sale could be traded in the loooong upcoming off season ?

 

Any scenario would have to involve the Dodgers.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm going with 4 . Is there any scenario where Sale could be traded in the loooong upcoming off season ?

 

He could be traded if the Sox eat mucho of the dinero, sure. But it's almost pointless.

[mvp 78]

He could be traded if the Sox eat mucho of the dinero, sure. But it's almost pointless.

 

Keep him and hope for the upside. Just don't plan for it.

[mvp 78]

Any scenario would have to involve the Dodgers.

 

They are the only team with money now?

[Bellhorn04]

Keep him and hope for the upside. Just don't plan for it.

 

Zactly. Hope for lightning in a bottle of Jack Daniels.

[Bellhorn04]

They are the only team with money now?

 

I think moon was actually trying for some humor there.

[moonslav59]

I think moon was actually trying for some humor there.

 

They have a long history of taking our high-priced players off our hands- the good (Betts), the bad (AGon & Beckett) and the ugly (Crawford & Price.)