Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension

[Jasonbay44]

This signing is going to ruin the long narrative of so many posters.

 

It may take days for them to regroup and find some fresh pathways.

 

If they are genuinely mad about Bloom paying one of the young talents that none of us want to see on another team, I don’t know what to say. I’ve been critical of many of the moves made this off season, this is not one I will complain about.

[moonslav59]

If they are genuinely mad about Bloom paying one of the young talents that none of us want to see on another team, I don’t know what to say. I’ve been critical of many of the moves made this off season, this is not one I will complain about.

 

Anyone with any sense should not be mad, but we have seen the narrative building and building, then poof: the house of cards comes tumbling down. What comes next, here?

 

I'm just curious about what new forms await us. We know it's coming. The momentum was too strong to be halted, this quickly.

 

What sort of mental gymnastics await us.

 

Has JH's "time still come?"

 

Will he "sell the team?"

 

Who "misread the room," this time?

 

It just seemed, to me, like so many had already convinced themselves of the pending doom and gloom, and we know so many can never even hint that they might have had a wrong impression at any point in time, that I'm awaiting the goal post-moving, back-peddling and inventive distractions to come.

 

There seems to be an aversion to optimism at all costs.

 

Who knows, maybe we will suck, this year, and the last laughers will raise their glasses to celebrate the gloom they predicted.

 

[moonslav59]

$331M/11 Devers (Extension)

$217M/7 Price

$160M/8 Manny

$154M/7 AGon (Extension)

$145M/5 Sale (Extension)

$142M/7 Crawford

$120M/6 Bogey (Extension- opted out after 3 yrs)

$110M/5 JD

$110M/8 Pedroia (Extension)

$95M/5 Sandoval

$90M/5 Yoshida (plus posting fee)

$88M/5 HRam

$83M/5 Lackey

$73M/7 R Castillo

$70M/5 JD Drew

 

($103M/6 Dice K counting posting fee)

($63M+ Yoan Moncada bonus + tax)

 

Did I miss anybody?

 

[Jasonbay44]

$331M/11 Devers (Extension)

$217M/7 Price

$160M/8 Manny

$154M/7 AGon (Extension)

$145M/5 Sale (Extension)

$142M/7 Crawford

$120M/6 Bogey (Extension- opted out after 3 yrs)

$110M/5 JD

$110M/8 Pedroia (Extension)

$95M/5 Sandoval

$90M/5 Yoshida (plus posting fee)

$88M/5 HRam

$83M/5 Lackey

$73M/7 R Castillo

$70M/5 JD Drew

 

($103M/6 Dice K counting posting fee)

($63M+ Yoan Moncada bonus + tax)

 

Did I miss anybody?

 

Porcello had a pretty big deal at one point didn’t he?

[Old Red]

Anyone with any sense should not be mad, but we have seen the narrative building and building, then poof: the house of cards comes tumbling down. What comes next, here?

 

I'm just curious about what new forms await us. We know it's coming. The momentum was too strong to be halted, this quickly.

 

What sort of mental gymnastics await us.

 

Has JH's "time still come?"

 

Will he "sell the team?"

 

Who "misread the room," this time?

 

It just seemed, to me, like so many had already convinced themselves of the pending doom and gloom, and we know so many can never even hint that they might have had a wrong impression at any point in time, that I'm awaiting the goal post-moving, back-peddling and inventive distractions to come.

 

There seems to be an aversion to optimism at all costs.

 

Who knows, maybe we will suck, this year, and the last laughers will raise their glasses to celebrate the gloom they predicted.

 

 

While it’s nice that Raffy was locked up I don’t believe, because he was that automatically means that JH wouldn’t sell the team. As for misreading the room the contract might not have been for so long, and not quite as much money if this would have been done last offseason. This doesn’t really change this coming year as Raffy was going to be there anyway, and there is two major steps that has to happen in 2023 at the very least. Get back to a winning record, and get out of last place. Getting back to the postseason should be the goal though.

[Nick]

Great News. Now Bloom can continue to focus on building a core group to go pursue our 5th chapionship in 20 years. This came on the heels of locking up Arb #3 for Devers so that Sox can reset in 2023. Now go find a SS.

[Hugh2]

As I said earlier this offseason, and many times over the years. What the Sox FO has done in recent years is not the best predictor of the future. I often use the Lester to Price signings as examples. My point was, to not be surprised if the Sox opened up the wallet after they failed with Bogey.

 

It’s like the offense has ran the ball 3x in a row; I was never sold that a 4th time was coming.

[Hugh2]

Great News. Now Bloom can continue to focus on building a core group to go pursue our 5th chapionship in 20 years. This came on the heels of locking up Arb #3 for Devers so that Sox can reset in 2023. Now go find a SS.

 

Yes, but I believe this deal actually buys out the arb year. Sox are still under.

[jacksonianmarch]

No, it does not.

 

This is a 10 year $315 mil or so extension after the arb year.

 

Honestly, Raffy took a discount and he didn’t put an opt out in there. This is a good deal for the Sox as long as he stays healthy and fit

[Hugh2]

No, it does not.

 

This is a 10 year $315 mil or so extension after the arb year.

 

Honestly, Raffy took a discount and he didn’t put an opt out in there. This is a good deal for the Sox as long as he stays healthy and fit

 

I believe this is correct and it kicks in after last season. I got it twisted.

[oldtimer]

This is a deal that the Sox needed to sign to keep the future prospects of the team at least encouraging. These are crazy times with contracts being signed throughout the league with large risk factors. Many of them will result in carrying players in multimillion dollar contracts that cannot contribute to the teams. With Devers at 26, at least the risk is somewhat reduced. Perhaps these signings will be looked at as an aberration in future years as many of them backfire on the teams. I am basically happy that we still will have Devers, although at 82 years old I have seen so much that these numbers are hard to adjust to.

[Bellhorn04]

The thing is, for that money we could have gotten 101 Dalbecs. But we don’t need that since we’re no longer think of the owner as Cruella de Ville.

 

 

(This was my best impression of 5Gold. How’d I do?)

 

8/10

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This is a deal that the Sox needed to sign to keep the future prospects of the team at least encouraging. These are crazy times with contracts being signed throughout the league with large risk factors. Many of them will result in carrying players in multimillion dollar contracts that cannot contribute to the teams. With Devers at 26, at least the risk is somewhat reduced. Perhaps these signings will be looked at as an aberration in future years as many of them backfire on the teams. I am basically happy that we still will have Devers, although at 82 years old I have seen so much that these numbers are hard to adjust to.

 

Keep in mind Devers' prime years. The Red Sox are basically paying for hopefully the best seasons of a star player's career: ages 27-32 (give or take).

 

Raffy may be kicking around as a first baseman or DH at the back end of his contract, but only through age 37. For fans worried about another "albatross" Pujols or Cabrera contract, here are 162-game averages of Albert and Miggy from ages 33-37: Pujols -- 31 HR, 109 RBI; Cabrera 25 HR, 89 RBI. Will you settle for something in between?

[Bellhorn04]

Porcello had a pretty big deal at one point didn’t he?

 

Yes, 4 year extension for 82.5 million.

[notin]

8/10

 

I’m no Frank Gorshin, er… um .. I mean Frank Caliendo…

[notin]

Keep in mind Devers' prime years. The Red Sox are basically paying for hopefully the best seasons of a star player's career: ages 27-32 (give or take).

 

Raffy may be kicking around as a first baseman or DH at the back end of his contract, but only through age 37. For fans worried about another "albatross" Pujols or Cabrera contract, here are 162-game averages of Albert and Miggy from ages 33-37: Pujols -- 31 HR, 109 RBI; Cabrera 25 HR, 89 RBI. Will you settle for something in between?

 

Why do we think Devers will hit like Pujols and Cabrera from ages 33-37 when this two were light years ahead of him from ages 20-25?

 

And this isn’t slight on Devers. Pujols and Cabrera are hitters #1 and #2 in the 21st century, in whatever order you like…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

8/10

 

Try to be imperfectly curt, but never kickham when they're down... gagne with a spoon = always abad idea.

[Old Red]

No, it does not.

 

This is a 10 year $315 mil or so extension after the arb year.

 

Honestly, Raffy took a discount and he didn’t put an opt out in there. This is a good deal for the Sox as long as he stays healthy and fit

 

Keeping fit is the biggest worry to me especially with his body type, which broke down the second half last year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why do we think Devers will hit like Pujols and Cabrera from ages 33-37 when this two were light years ahead of him from ages 20-25?

 

And this isn’t slight on Devers. Pujols and Cabrera are hitters #1 and #2 in the 21st century, in whatever order you like…

 

... and the go-to cautionary contracts for big-time batters whose contracts were too long.

 

My point is that Devers' contract isn't -- he won't be Old Man Bogey limping around San Diego infields (or wherever) into his 40s... at least, not on our dimes.

[Bellhorn04]

I believe this is correct and it kicks in after last season. I got it twisted.

 

Per MLBTR it's actually a 10 year/313.5 million extension

 

2022 AAV stays at 17.5 mill

2023-2032 AAV 31.35 mill

[moonslav59]

Per MLBTR it's actually a 10 year/313.5 million extension

 

2022 AAV stays at 17.5 mill

2023-2032 AAV 31.35 mill

 

That's about what I expected, last winter, so to me, this is great news- maybe $2-4M more than a year ago.

 

It could have been $30.1M x 11, but I'm not sure that $1M for 10 years matters much.

[moonslav59]

Porcello had a pretty big deal at one point didn’t he?

 

Thanks...

 

$331M/11 Devers (Extension)

$217M/7 Price

$160M/8 Manny

$154M/7 AGon (Extension)

$145M/5 Sale (Extension)

$142M/7 Crawford

$120M/6 Bogey (Extension- opted out after 3 yrs)

$110M/5 JD

$110M/8 Pedroia (Extension)

$95M/5 Sandoval

$90M/5 Yoshida (plus posting fee)

$88M/5 HRam

$83M/4 Porcello

$83M/5 Lackey

$73M/7 R Castillo

$70M/5 JD Drew

 

($103M/6 Dice K counting posting fee)

($63M+ Yoan Moncada bonus + tax)

[mvp 78]

Way too much money and way too many years for a 0.283 hitter with an OBP of 0.342.

Terrible signing.

 

Similar numbers to Adrian Beltre, except the Devers has a higher SLG and his career numbers are still skewed by his age 20 and 21 seasons.

 

Since 2019:

291 AVG

351 OBP

533 SLG

884 OPS

132 wRC+

 

Higher OPS than Boggs, Brett, Santo, Molitor, Rolen...

[mvp 78]

This signing is going to ruin the long narrative of so many posters.

 

It may take days for them to regroup and find some fresh pathways.

 

The narrative was John Henry hadn't paid homegrown players. Aside from Pedroia, he really hadn't. That has finally changed. They still messed up with Betts. They still messed up by not extending Xander last offseason as the money would have been a deep discount from what the guys signed for this offseason.

[mvp 78]

As I said earlier this offseason, and many times over the years. What the Sox FO has done in recent years is not the best predictor of the future. I often use the Lester to Price signings as examples. My point was, to not be surprised if the Sox opened up the wallet after they failed with Bogey.

 

It’s like the offense has ran the ball 3x in a row; I was never sold that a 4th time was coming.

 

They seem to get too cute and it hasn't quite worked in their favor. It probably cost them in this case. At least they got the deal done. As we've always said, they are a big market team and they can afford it.

[moonslav59]

The narrative was John Henry hadn't paid homegrown players. Aside from Pedroia, he really hadn't. That has finally changed. They still messed up with Betts. They still messed up by not extending Xander last offseason as the money would have been a deep discount from what the guys signed for this offseason.

 

I'm not so sure the thinking all along was they were never going to pay Devers and Bogey for 6+ years, each.

 

This signing, to me, makes the Bogey bolt more understandable. They would have taken XB on a shorter, more team friendly deal, but never as large and or long as BorA$$ was looking for, and rightfully so.

 

I wish we had kept Betts, XB and Devers and not Sale & Nate, but I'm not sure JH would ever have agreed to 3 mega large and long deals, at the same time.

[mvp 78]

I'm not so sure the thinking all along was they were never going to pay Devers and Bogey for 6+ years, each.

 

This signing, to me, makes the Bogey bolt more understandable. They would have taken XB on a shorter, more team friendly deal, but never as large and or long as BorA$$ was looking for, and rightfully so.

 

I wish we had kept Betts, XB and Devers and not Sale & Nate, but I'm not sure JH would ever have agreed to 3 mega large and long deals, at the same time.

 

Xander was apparently willing to do a deal similar to Story's last offseason. If that's true, they were dumb to not sign him then.

[moonslav59]

The narrative was John Henry hadn't paid homegrown players.

 

The narrative went way beyond that, and calls for JH to go were starting.

 

The fact is, he has always cycled spending and resets. True, they seem to be way more open to extending players they traded for (AGon, Sale, Porcello & Nate) than their own players (Pedey & Bogey,) but there was a building narrative that JH had gone cheap and that the talk of trying to stay competitive through the rebuild was all a lie.

[moonslav59]

Xander was apparently willing to do a deal similar to Story's last offseason. If that's true, they were dumb to not sign him then.

 

No doubt. I'd have done that. My highest suggested offer was not far from anyone else's. Hell, even Red suggested $168M/6. If Bogey would have taken that is anybody's guess. If the answer is no, then a lot of the talk, here is moot. If it's yes, then time will tell on the "mistake" aspect of that choice. (Now, I'd guess XB will easily earne $170M/6, but $280M/11...?)

 

$160M/6 or even $170M/6 looks like a bargain, now, but I'm not sure the Sox would sign him to that, even now, given the massive Devers contract and Story still on the books.

[Old Red]

Xander was apparently willing to do a deal similar to Story's last offseason. If that's true, they were dumb to not sign him then.

 

Signing Raffy was good, but it doesn’t take away from the botched, and bungling exhibited by both Bloom, and JH, and yes in other words dumb, and dumber.