Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension

[Old Red]

Stop it. Devers is better and younger than Xander.

 

I don’t believe he said anything about Xander being better just that signing Raffy does not make up for the screwing the pooch on Mookie, and Bogey, and said Raffy isn’t the player Betts is, which I agree with that.

[Bellhorn04]

It’s just an opinion, which I have spouted on here for over a year now that I don’t like any 10yr $300M+ contracts. Now I do understand you have to pay em to get ‘em, but I still don’t like ‘em.

 

So basically you're not going to be happy whether we sign them or let them go.

[Jasonbay44]

It’s just an opinion, which I have spouted on here for over a year now that I don’t like any 10yr $300M+ contracts. Now I do understand you have to pay em to get ‘em, but I still don’t like ‘em.

 

So you basically just admit you are going to complain no matter what? How can someone be mad at Sox for letting Mookie and Xander go, but also be mad they re-signed Devers?

[Bellhorn04]

So you basically just admit you are going to complain no matter what? How can someone be mad at Sox for letting Mookie and Xander go, but also be mad they re-signed Devers?

 

You'd think it wouldn't be possible, but as we can see, some folks can do it!

[Old Red]

You'd think it wouldn't be possible, but as we can see, some folks can do it!

 

I know it’s hard to fathom for some that not every Red Sox fan is enthralled with the Red Sox signing Raffy Devers for the amount, and length of time, but as we have seen there are a few just on here.

[Old Red]

So you basically just admit you are going to complain no matter what? How can someone be mad at Sox for letting Mookie and Xander go, but also be mad they re-signed Devers?

 

#1 I’m not mad the Red Sox signed Raffy, and said that when he was signed, so while I don’t like those kind of contracts like I said I know you have so sign em to get em.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You'd think it wouldn't be possible, but as we can see, some folks can do it!

 

A month or so ago, Bloom conceded the Sox had to spend "beyond reason" to lock up Raffy. Considering the new market, does anyone really think his deal was unreasonable?

 

What if all these one-year deals for has-beens and never-weres the past three winters -- and ignoring the top free agents commanding longer multi-year contracts -- were all done just to save up enough dough to pay Devers?

 

Notice I didn't say "afford" Raffy...

[Old Red]

So basically you're not going to be happy whether we sign them or let them go.

 

Wrong again I am glad they resigned Raffy, but to me that doesn’t exonerate JH, or as some called him Johnny Lowball just, because he signed Raffy, but botched, and butchered along with his minions the Bogey contract charade.

[mvp 78]

It’s just an opinion, which I have spouted on here for over a year now that I don’t like any 10yr $300M+ contracts. Now I do understand you have to pay em to get ‘em, but I still don’t like ‘em.

 

You have said over and over that Henry has the money to afford any player he wants. But take issue with the contract size? How does that make any sense? You're mad that Henry doesn't spend. You're mad that the players make too much money. At some point, find something that makes you happy then...

[mvp 78]

You'd think it wouldn't be possible, but as we can see, some folks can do it!

 

The Fellowship of the Miserable.

 

Rick Pitino was right all along.

[mvp 78]

I know it’s hard to fathom for some that not every Red Sox fan is enthralled with the Red Sox signing Raffy Devers for the amount, and length of time, but as we have seen there are a few just on here.

 

If he left and signed this contract elsewhere, you'd be complaining about it everyday until the Sun swallowed the Earth.

[mvp 78]

Wrong again I am glad they resigned Raffy, but to me that doesn’t exonerate JH, or as some called him Johnny Lowball just, because he signed Raffy, but botched, and butchered along with his minions the Bogey contract charade.

 

Has anyone said that it exonerated JH or that it made up for Betts leaving? At most, people have said that they are happy they have a franchise player and that there's more work to be done. I think that's fair.

[moonslav59]

You have said over and over that Henry has the money to afford any player he wants. But take issue with the contract size? How does that make any sense? You're mad that Henry doesn't spend. You're mad that the players make too much money. At some point, find something that makes you happy then...

 

Not going to happen. He's locked into criticizing anything and everything.

 

Sure, it's easy to just say we should have locked up all our young stars early, at a much lower cost than they would be, now, but we have tried that. The player needs to accept a low offer to make it work. Betts turned down our offer, and later a much larger offer. We traded him, instead of losing him for nothing, and Red call that a big mistake.

 

We've tried to sign Devers for a while, and ended up paying him more than anyone wishes we had to do, but now that's a mistake, too.

 

We failed to extend Bogey without the opt out, 3 years ago, and low-balled him, recently. We apparently offered him a contract very similar to the top offer Red suggested ($168M/6) and he turned it down and signed elsewhere- again, another big mistake by the Sox.

 

You can never do good with Ole Red. Damned if you do: damned if you don't.

 

[moonslav59]

Has anyone said that it exonerated JH or that it made up for Betts leaving? At most, people have said that they are happy they have a franchise player and that there's more work to be done. I think that's fair.

 

His fall back is always strawman building.

[Old Red]

If he left and signed this contract elsewhere, you'd be complaining about it everyday until the Sun swallowed the Earth.

 

I wasn’t talking about me when I said not every Red Sox fan was enthralled with the Raffy signing. Yes, and I would be complaining along with everyone else if Raffy signed elsewhere, and some would still be calling JH Johnny Lowball.

[moonslav59]

I don't think anyone "liked" paying Price $217M/7, but many felt it was a necessary sacrifice needed to be made.

 

I think many feel the same about the Devers signing. We wish we could have extended him earlier at a much lower cost, but it takes two sides agreeing to do that.

[Old Red]

Has anyone said that it exonerated JH or that it made up for Betts leaving? At most, people have said that they are happy they have a franchise player and that there's more work to be done. I think that's fair.

 

That’s fair to me, and until games are played and proved otherwise the Red Sox are still a losing last place team. I think that’s fair.

[Old Red]

I don't think anyone "liked" paying Price $217M/7, but many felt it was a necessary sacrifice needed to be made.

 

I think many feel the same about the Devers signing. We wish we could have extended him earlier at a much lower cost, but it takes two sides agreeing to do that.

The Price signing was necessary, because of the failure to sign Lester, and yes it takes two sides to agree to an extension, but when you don’t start off with a good bargaining offer such as Lester, and Bogey that is pretty much impossible to do.

[mvp 78]

I wasn’t talking about me when I said not every Red Sox fan was enthralled with the Raffy signing. Yes, and I would be complaining along with everyone else if Raffy signed elsewhere, a;d some would still be calling JH Johnny Lowball.

 

I think it's still fair to call him that. One transaction doesn't fix the past. Extend more young guys. Build the next great team. Keep spending.

 

However, there are quite a few people choosing to be over the top negative the past 24 hours. Especially nincompoops like James Stewart. People that don't know what 5-6-3 means. People that live absolutely miserable lives and generally earn their money off of wallowing in the misery. No matter what had happened with the Raffy situation, they would have found the negative. I just no longer have time or patience for that nonsense.

[mvp 78]

The Price signing was necessary, because of the failure to sign Lester, and yes it takes two sides to agree to an extension, but when you don’t start off with a good bargaining offer such as Lester, and Bogey that is pretty much impossible to do.

 

They should have signed Max instead of Price or Lester.

[moonslav59]

They should have signed Max instead of Price or Lester.

 

Yes. Instead they went with hitting, in Max's year, by signing Pablito & HRam.

[mvp 78]

That’s fair to me, and until games are played and proved otherwise the Red Sox are still a losing last place team. I think that’s fair.

 

They DO need to prove it on the field. Bloom needs to show that he can build a successful MLB team not just a farm system. So far, the results haven't been great!

[mvp 78]

Yes. Instead they went with hitting, in Max's year, by signing Pablito & HRam.

 

Sign two 3B's when you only need one? Genius!

[moonslav59]

The Price signing was necessary, because of the failure to sign Lester, and yes it takes two sides to agree to an extension, but when you don’t start off with a good bargaining offer such as Lester, and Bogey that is pretty much impossible to do.

 

Nobody disagrees with this. So, where did we go wrong with Betts?

 

He almost took the $200M, but his Mom kinda talked him out of it. We offered him $300M, which is more than you think anybody should be paid.

 

We got just about the best deal we could for him. No othe rreported offers seem significantly better and the BTV value of the trade showed the Sox winning bigly.

 

It seems, no matter what we did with Betts, you'd say it was a mistake.

 

I totally agree on Lester, because we saw what lester did before and after that fiasco.

 

I totally agree that the $30M/1 yr addition to that current deal was woefully low and not a good start, at all. After that, it's hard to know what happened, and it seems like very little did happen, and I'll agree thatw as a mistake, too, but if we never know Bogey would have accepted even your suggested $168M/6 offer from last winter, it's hard for me to say a mistake was clearly made. And then, we need to wait and see if Bogey earns even $168M/6 to know for sure about 4even that supposition being a "mistake." There are just too many moving parts on the Bogey situation to know anything for sure. We can guess he'd have taken $200M/7 a year ago, but are we sure that would be a good deal, now?

 

It makes sense to think we could have signed Devers for less, a year ago, but a year ago, we were working on different norms and trends. I wish we locked up all our stars, years ago, but how and when? Had we locked up Jake, JBJ, ERod and others, long ago would we be patting Sox management of the back for having such great insightfulness?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sign two 3B's when you only need one? Genius!

 

Turner, Devers, trade for Wendle?

[moonslav59]

Sign two 3B's when you only need one? Genius!

 

I was happy we signed HRam to play 3B, then the Pablo signing shook me- and not in a good way.

 

It kinda reminds me about this winter and signing 2 guys best suited to DH- Yoshida and Turner, when we needed a SS, SP and RF'er more.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was happy we signed HRam to play 3B, then the Pablo signing shook me- and not in a good way.

 

It kinda reminds me about this winter and signing 2 guys best suited to DH- Yoshida and Turner, when we needed a SS, SP and RF'er more.

 

Still need SS, SP, RF... stay tuned?

 

ps. I think the Devers' deal eliminated any Wacha multi-year... maybe even Eovaldi... and Kluber was the alternative with Raffy in mind.

 

... and it shouldn't surprise if no other moves are made before ST

Edited January 6, 2023 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75

[moonslav59]

Still need SS, SP, RF... stay tuned?

 

ps. I think the Devers' deal eliminated any Wacha multi-year... maybe even Eovaldi... and Kluber was the alternative with Raffy in mind.

 

... and it shouldn't surprise if no other moves are made before ST

 

I think signing Raffy also explains why we never went high enough to sign Bogey. It was likely always an either or, whether we agree or not.

 

It might also explain why no Andrus, but we could have signed Andrus, instead of Turner.

[moonslav59]

 

... and it shouldn't surprise if no other moves are made before ST

 

We need middle IF'ers- plural. We will add at least 1.

 

There are several one year SSs on the trading block, including the obvious M Rojas, who should not cost us much.

 

We also have 3-4 players we can easily DFA or trade without hurting our 40 man depth. (Brasier, Ort or DHern will be gone, soon- maybe all 3.)

[notin]

Still need SS, SP, RF... stay tuned?

 

ps. I think the Devers' deal eliminated any Wacha multi-year... maybe even Eovaldi... and Kluber was the alternative with Raffy in mind.

 

... and it shouldn't surprise if no other moves are made before ST

 

 

I do think middle infield needs a body, unless the Sox are higher on Enmanuel Valdez than I think they should be…