Devers next deal

[Hugh2]

Bloom, the media, and even fans can pretend that Turner was acquired to DH and back-up Casas, but come on.

 

Does anyone really think it's a coincidence that his main position is third base?

 

Yeah, I don't know. The thing is who do they at 3B coming down the pipe? At least at SS they have Mayer who should be ready in a few years. But there's no real 3B prospect that is either very good and inspiring OR close to the bigs. If they had a guy like that maybe Turn makes sense as a stopgap there. But if they trade Devers this offseason and place Turner at third then.....that will be very interesting. Does this mean Dalbec or Arroyo is going to DH? or hey, maybe Dalbec is their 3B?

 

As lackluster as this team has been this offseason, I still can't believe they'd trade Devers and plan on plugging Turner at 3B for 2 years. If they do, I'll drive the extra 1:45 and go to a SeaDogs game.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This is very different from the Story signing.

 

Turner is 38, he DH'd a lot last year, and this contract only guarantees the Red Sox have him for one year.

 

It's all about placeholders on a rebuilding team eying the future. Even Story, if he indeed plays SS, is a placeholder... hopefully, he's forced to move back to second by Mayer sooner rather than later. The Red Sox have a lot of other prospects that may develop into big leaguers in the next year or three.

 

If the youngsters don't fulfill their promise -- and hype -- then hopefully, Bloom and even Henry and LeBron are placeholders.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, I don't know. The thing is who do they at 3B coming down the pipe? At least at SS they have Mayer who should be ready in a few years. But there's no real 3B prospect that is either very good and inspiring OR close to the bigs. If they had a guy like that maybe Turn makes sense as a stopgap there. But if they trade Devers this offseason and place Turner at third then.....that will be very interesting. Does this mean Dalbec or Arroyo is going to DH? or hey, maybe Dalbec is their 3B?

 

As lackluster as this team has been this offseason, I still can't believe they'd trade Devers and plan on plugging Turner at 3B for 2 years. If they do, I'll drive the extra 1:45 and go to a SeaDogs game.

 

Potential future 3B's:

Paulino

Lugo

Blaze

Bonaci

Salazar

[Hugh2]

Potential future 3B's:

Paulino

Lugo

Blaze

Bonaci

Salazar

 

My point exactly, none of those guys are very inspiring. Maybe Blaze, who likely moves to 1st and will have to hit. It's not like SS where you have Mayer, heck you have Rafaella there too (although he belongs in CF)

[mvp 78]

Bloom, the media, and even fans can pretend that Turner was acquired to DH and back-up Casas, but come on.

 

Does anyone really think it's a coincidence that his main position is third base?

 

Justin Turner is a HORRIBLE 3B right now. If he's the everyday 3B, it's a bad signing. If they are signing him to DH, great.

[Hugh2]

Justin Turner is a HORRIBLE 3B right now. If he's the everyday 3B, it's a bad signing. If they are signing him to DH, great.

 

People are making assumptions based on this abysmal offseason. I can't really blame them at this point.

 

But yeah, I don't think he's your starting 3B.

[mvp 78]

People are making assumptions based on this abysmal offseason. I can't really blame them at this point.

 

But yeah, I don't think he's your starting 3B.

 

Signing Turner told me a few things:

1. Yoshida is going to be the fulltime LF

2. Verdugo is going to be the fulltime RF, unless dealt

3. Devers will be able to DH a little bit more than he has in the past

4. Dalbec is still being shopped

[notin]

Bloom, the media, and even fans can pretend that Turner was acquired to DH and back-up Casas, but come on.

 

Does anyone really think it's a coincidence that his main position is third base?

 

It might be, but he only played 66 games at 3b last year as opposed to 62 games at DH…

[notin]

Signing Turner told me a few things:

1. Yoshida is going to be the fulltime LF

2. Verdugo is going to be the fulltime RF, unless dealt

3. Devers will be able to DH a little bit more than he has in the past

4. Dalbec is still being shopped

 

 

Agree with all points.

 

Or maybe the master plan is to DH Devers full time so as to undercut his appeal and value around MLB, maybe just a little but enough that it will make him harder to trade and easier to re-sign…

[mvp 78]

Agree with all points.

 

Or maybe the master plan is to DH Devers full time so as to undercut his appeal and value around MLB, maybe just a little but enough that it will make him harder to trade and easier to re-sign…

 

Right after he had a really good defensive season? Good plan if you don't want to be competitive.

[Old Red]

Agree with all points.

 

Or maybe the master plan is to DH Devers full time so as to undercut his appeal and value around MLB, maybe just a little but enough that it will make him harder to trade and easier to re-sign…

 

I don’t think there is any plans if it’s so called master, or not to make Devers the full time DH anytime soon, and especially for those reasons.

[harmony]

Any chance the New York Mets trade for Rafael Devers?

Baseball Trade Values assigns Rafael Devers a surplus value of $37 million and six years of New York Mets third baseman Bret Baty a surplus value of $33.8 million.

[mvp 78]

@joonlee

On Rafael Devers, Chaim Bloom said the Red Sox are willing to go “beyond reason” to get a deal done but that there are “limitations”

 

Sources say the Red Sox and Devers are “galaxies apart”

 

Devers and his camp currently expect he will be a free agent

[mvp 78]

Good thing I'm at work and not at home with a bottle of bourbon.

[mvp 78]

@joonlee

Some within the Red Sox front office have questioned Chaim Bloom’s decision-making process causes Boston to make decisions too slowly

 

Apparently, he waits for too much feedback before making a decision.

[moonslav59]

Moon, there’s a 1% chance that happens and you know it

 

Not at all. IMO, we have a 40-50% chance of extending Devers.

 

I think that may be the reason we still ]have so much money left under the tax line.

 

Certainly, I could be wrong, but I think the chances ar much greater than 1% and closer to 50% than 1%.

[mvp 78]

Not at all. IMO, we have a 40-50% chance of extending Devers.

 

I think that may be the reason we still ]have so much money left under the tax line.

 

Certainly, I could be wrong, but I think the chances ar much greater than 1% and closer to 50% than 1%.

 

We can extend him, but have it not affect his year's tax.

[moonslav59]

They are NOT extending Devers. He will be testing free agency. The ONLY way this doesn't happen is if the Red Sox blow him away with an offer and we know that won't happen

 

We all know squat about what will happen, next. Every move made and not made, this winter has essentially been blindsided ones.

 

If the top brass does not feel the angst of their fan base is as high as ever, or at least since the Sullivan purge, and feel a great need to stop the bleeding, even if it goes against "the plan," whatever it truly is, then they are going to suffer for this choice.

 

[moonslav59]

We can extend him, but have it not affect his year's tax.

 

Yes, of course, but we may choose to lessen the long term AAV by $2-3M by overpaying him during his last arb year- 2023. We have budget space to extend him starting in 2023 and sign Kluber and Andrus. Just do it!

 

Maybe we sign Kluber, Andrus and Fulmer and have the extension start in 2024.

 

Maybe we do none of this.

[moonslav59]

@joonlee

Some within the Red Sox front office have questioned Chaim Bloom’s decision-making process causes Boston to make decisions too slowly

 

Apparently, he waits for too much feedback before making a decision.

 

Maybe his bosses demand he wait for their feedback, and they are dragging their feet.

 

We don't know. I do wonder, if there were deals we would have made and did not due to delays in decision-making. That would be a serious issue, but I tend to think, they are just being misers- perhaps waiting for another time to "pounce-" perhaps not.

[mvp 78]

Maybe his bosses demand he wait for their feedback, and they are dragging their feet.

 

We don't know. I do wonder, if there were deals we would have made and did not due to delays in decision-making. That would be a serious issue, but I tend to think, they are just being misers- perhaps waiting for another time to "pounce-" perhaps not.

 

The critique from the DD years was that he'd listen to no one. Now Bloom listens to too many people apparently. It's like they overcorrected again. Theo was the perfect blend of being able to sign FA's and grow the farm. Ever since then, they haven't struck that balance.

[notin]

I don’t think there is any plans if it’s so called master, or not to make Devers the full time DH anytime soon, and especially for those reasons.

 

It was sarcasm. I don’t do green fonts.

 

Heck I barely escape without typos…

[moonslav59]

The critique from the DD years was that he'd listen to no one. Now Bloom listens to too many people apparently. It's like they overcorrected again. Theo was the perfect blend of being able to sign FA's and grow the farm. Ever since then, they haven't struck that balance.

 

Maybe, they allowed DD to just go ahead and make nearly any move he wanted, and merely had to check-in on deals like Price and the Sale extension (no time constraints on Sale).

 

Maybe, after all the failed, recent big contracts, the upper brass instituted a more thorough check point that turned into more of a roadblock.

[notin]

Not at all. IMO, we have a 40-50% chance of extending Devers.

 

I think that may be the reason we still ]have so much money left under the tax line.

 

Certainly, I could be wrong, but I think the chances ar much greater than 1% and closer to 50% than 1%.

 

 

So? 26%?

 

If they are “galaxies apart,” it’s not good.

 

Might as well shop Devers and NOT turn down the return pitching prospects because you prefer they fill a different role. Unless you can get another one that does instead. And ONLY in that case…

[Bellhorn04]

Not at all. IMO, we have a 40-50% chance of extending Devers.

 

I think that may be the reason we still ]have so much money left under the tax line.

 

Certainly, I could be wrong, but I think the chances ar much greater than 1% and closer to 50% than 1%.

 

The "galaxies apart" quote is not encouraging.

[moonslav59]

So? 26%?

 

If they are “galaxies apart,” it’s not good.

 

Might as well shop Devers and NOT turn down the return pitching prospects because you prefer they fill a different role. Unless you can get another one that does instead. And ONLY in that case…

 

No, 26% is not good, but I truly don't think it's 1%.

 

Why are we believing "galaxies apart?" These reports have turned out to be rubbish, so many times, yet we keep giving them cred.

 

Certainly, we may be miles apart, and it wouldn't shock me, if we were.

 

Maybe, I have too much faith in the power of fanbase angst and how management sometimes changes their plan based on severe fanbase anger or the threat of anger. These guys would have to be in a cocoon, isolated in a sound proof room in an underground bunker to not feel the massive disgust in Sox Nation. Not doing anything about it seems like a less likely option, to me.

 

Maybe I'm naive. Maybe my rose colored glasses are clouding my vision. Maybe my optimism is getting the better of me, but I just can't believe this winter's significant moves are over or nearly over.

 

The way things have gone, so far, I won't be shocked if all we do is add Seth Lugo and sign or trade for a cheap defensive SS and call it a winter, but I just can't see them being that blind.

 

[moonslav59]

The "galaxies apart" quote is not encouraging.

 

Who is the quote from, and has it been confirmed?

 

If it is confirmed, could it just be a negotiating tool, or a statement made before another counter offer was made from the Sox?

[Bellhorn04]

Who is the quote from, and has it been confirmed?

 

If it is confirmed, could it just be a negotiating tool, or a statement made before another counter offer was made from the Sox?

 

Unfortunately I find it quite credible. We know that this team sets values and doesn't stray far from them.

[mvp 78]

The "galaxies apart" quote is not encouraging.

 

It sucks.

[mvp 78]

Maybe, I have too much faith in the power of fanbase angst and how management sometimes changes their plan based on severe fanbase anger or the threat of anger. These guys would have to be in a cocoon, isolated in a sound proof room in an underground bunker to not feel the massive disgust in Sox Nation. Not doing anything about it seems like a less likely option, to me.

 

Maybe I'm naive. Maybe my rose colored glasses are clouding my vision. Maybe my optimism is getting the better of me, but I just can't believe this winter's significant moves are over or nearly over.

 

The least likely thing to happen this offseason is that Raffy is extended. They have the money to do so, they don't have the willingness.

 

The most likely option is that they go into the season with him as the 3B and still say they are committed to extending him during the year but we hear all throughout the year that Devers "hasn't heard anything."