JBJ DFAed

[Elktonnick]

If you get an upgrade for free, how is it a trainwreck of a trade?

One of Lou Merloni's major criticisms of Bloom is he lacked a sense of urgency. Reportedly Bloom wanted to get Pham in February but did not make the move at that time.

[harmony]

The prospects who came in the Jackie Bradley Jr. trade were Alex Binelas, a 22-year-old corner infielder who this year has posted a wRC+ of 66 at Double A and 125 at High A, and David Hamilton, a 24-year-old infielder who this year has posted a wRC+ of 89 at Double A:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/alexander-binelas/sa3017044/stats?position=1B/3B

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/david-hamilton/sa3014434/stats?position=2B/SS

[moonslav59]

The prospects who came in the Jackie Bradley Jr. trade were Alex Binelas, a 22-year-old corner infielder who this year has posted a wRC+ of 66 at Double A and 125 at High A, and David Hamilton, a 24-year-old infielder who this year has posted a wRC+ of 89 at Double A:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/alexander-binelas/sa3017044/stats?position=1B/3B

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/david-hamilton/sa3014434/stats?position=2B/SS

 

I'm not as hopeful about the prospects, as I was before, but the trade is not over, until we know for sure.

 

I'd say the odds are less than 1 in 100, it turns out okay.

Edited August 4, 2022 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

I'm not as hopeful, as I was before, but the trade is not over, until we know for sure.

 

I'd say the odds are less than 1 in 100, it turns out okay

 

At some point, you have to put a deadline on it and make a call.

 

I think it's safe to say that it's most likely a bad trade. Unless Binelas really turns things around next season, it's the worst most baffling trade Bloom has made.

[FredLynn]

We pay $8M for the 2023 buy out, although it doesnt count on the lux tax line.

 

Yeah, while Bradley laughs all the way to the bank. This deal was a mistake. Any deal obtaining Bradley would have been a mistake. He has been washed up for years. Maybe he can sell used cars.

[moonslav59]

At some point, you have to put a deadline on it and make a call.

 

I think it's safe to say that it's most likely a bad trade. Unless Binelas really turns things around next season, it's the worst most baffling trade Bloom has made.

 

Certainly saying less than 1 in 100 chance of the trade being just okay is making a call.

[iortiz]

Yeah, while Bradley laughs all the way to the bank. This deal was a mistake. Any deal obtaining Bradley would have been a mistake. He has been washed up for years. Maybe he can sell used cars.

 

It's incredible how bad players are paid by whatever reasoning behind. JBJ is a millionaire who can be a billionaire outside the States lol!

[dannycater]

If you get an upgrade for free, how is it a trainwreck of a trade?

 

Pham has a famous quote that Bloom probably respects. Upon signing with Reds, I believe his line was "all I care about are my numbers. I have to take care of me." good, perfect for the clubhouse.

[dannycater]

Panda Sandoval and Carl Crawford....BEFORE they signed with the Sox or even when I learned either were going to be Sox...the first thing I thought on both was bad fits, not going to like it in Boston, not going to like daily scrutiny and sure enough both were all-time busts. Sometimes, you got to know the landscape. Young kids who grow up in the system understand Boston and then learn to enjoy being a Sox...old veterans who have cushy situations in other lesser media cities, simply don't get it. Like I said, it doesn't matter, and who cares. Sox won 4 titles and that's all that matters now. Memories and Ortiz and Hall of Fame selections

[dannycater]

Bloom will get a free pass because ultimately the organization won a long time ago. He was brought in for business reasons, not for baseball. Give Dombrowski lot of credit in that he spent to win. And they did.

[vegasbob]

This confirms to me that Bloom shopped JBJr pretty hard through Tuesday's deadline but could not get any other team to pay off his salary plus option. So by DFA'ing Jackie now, they will see if there is any salvage value. The money is as good as spent, so a new team can get Jackie for the MLB minimum, maybe the Sox can wheedle out a 20th round draft choice in 2025.

[a700hitter]

Reacquiring Bradley is another Bloom move that made no sense. I don’t see it as implementing his management philosophy. JBJ wasn't worth a 2 year contract, so he let him walk, and then traded a 30HR guy to get him back to pay the second year of a contract that he had previously deemed to be an overpay, and he did that after JBJ put up an atrocious season below the Mendoza line. How does that further his management “philosophy”. Then there is the Barnes mid-season 2 year extension. That was a head scratcher. Now we have the 2022 deadline where he was neither a buyer or seller. He improved the MLB team, but didn’t address the most glaring need — pitching. And any improvement to the farm was very insignificant maybe it got worse if Groome pans out. I don’t see any cohesive strategy or philosophy from Bloom. Can anyone explain how these moves fit his philosophy?

[a700hitter]

This confirms to me that Bloom shopped JBJr pretty hard through Tuesday's deadline but could not get any other team to pay off his salary plus option. So by DFA'ing Jackie now, they will see if there is any salvage value. The money is as good as spent, so a new team can get Jackie for the MLB minimum, maybe the Sox can wheedle out a 20th round draft choice in 2025.

No one wanted him. Couldn’t even get Gym equipment for him.

[mvp 78]

Bloom will get a free pass because ultimately the organization won a long time ago. He was brought in for business reasons, not for baseball. Give Dombrowski lot of credit in that he spent to win. And they did.

 

Theo - 2 WS

Ben - 1 WS

DD - 1 WS

Bloom - 0 WS

 

Ben and DD got the Sox over the hump. Bloom has yet to do it and chances are good that he won't. DD got them to back to back to back AL East titles. It was a great run. I wish he had re-signed Mookie instead of Sale/Eovaldi, but here we are.

[JDavis76]

Bloom's deadline is now a B-.

 

I want some of what you are smoking.....

[iortiz]

Reacquiring Bradley is another Bloom move that made no sense. I don’t see it as implementing his management philosophy. JBJ wasn't worth a 2 year contract, so he let him walk, and then traded a 30HR guy to get him back to pay the second year of a contract that he had previously deemed to be an overpay, and he did that after JBJ put up an atrocious season below the Mendoza line. How does that further his management “philosophy”. Then there is the Barnes mid-season 2 year extension. That was a head scratcher. Now we have the 2022 deadline where he was neither a buyer or seller. He improved the MLB team, but didn’t address the most glaring need — pitching. And any improvement to the farm was very insignificant maybe it got worse if Groome pans out. I don’t see any cohesive strategy or philosophy from Bloom. Can anyone explain how these moves fit his philosophy?

Bloom for whatever reason thought JBJ and Barnes were good moves. Barnes at least showed something he had never shown in 3 months but JBJ? That trade made no sense at all. Bloom is without a doubt on a very thin ice entering 2023 mostly since he will have flexibility in the books. If he fails agin, he will be very gone before the 2023 tradeline.

[mvp 78]

I want some of what you are smoking.....

 

Original Grade = C+

JBJ gets DFA'd is extra credit

New Grade = B-

[vegasbob]

Keep in mind that Hosmer and Pham are just older plug-ins for gaping holes in the lineup, not part of a sustainable competitive team for 2023-2025. These holes were identifiable during the winter '21-'22 but the CBA BS prevented more timely moves. If accurate, Bloom then let his lack of urgency defer any action. He thought Kike could play a season and that Dalbec had turned a corner, and Barnes might get his head straight. Oh and Chris Sale might have actually pitched at some point.

 

Not an apologist for Bloom, but the actual players did about all they could to mess up 2022.

[Bellhorn04]

Keep in mind that Hosmer and Pham are just older plug-ins for gaping holes in the lineup, not part of a sustainable competitive team for 2023-2025. These holes were identifiable during the winter '21-'22 but the CBA BS prevented more timely moves. If accurate, Bloom then let his lack of urgency defer any action. He thought Kike could play a season and that Dalbec had turned a corner, and Barnes might get his head straight. Oh and Chris Sale might have actually pitched at some point.

 

Not an apologist for Bloom, but the actual players did about all they could to mess up 2022.

 

The run of injuries was pretty crazy. I think it was on 3 consecutive days we found out Eovaldi, Wacha and Hill were all going on the IL. Then Sale.

 

Plus Kike, Story and Devers.

 

We were too thin to be able to withstand that many injuries.

[illinoisredsox]

Bloom for whatever reason thought JBJ and Barnes were good moves. Barnes at least showed something he had never shown in 3 months but JBJ? That trade made no sense at all. Bloom is without a doubt on a very thin ice entering 2023 mostly since he will have flexibility in the books. If he fails agin, he will be very gone before the 2023 tradeline.

 

JBJ as a 4th outfielder made some sense; pricey but I can see some logic there. The problem was they never had the 3rd OF, and once Kike went down, they were screwed.

 

Now I assume they somehow thought Cordero had figured things out, but he turned out to be JBJ lite; slightly better as a hitter but just as streaky and far worse defensively (and that was just his OF defense).

 

Bloom's error was in assuming players could move seamlessly from position like Tampa does. I'm guessing that Tampa has their guys playing everywhere in the minors so that they are able to move around. If you don't come up doing that, its a recipe for what we saw with Arroyo in the OF, Cordero at 1st, etc. I'll give credit to those players for saying, sure I'll try it, but it was a horrible plan.

[iortiz]

The run of injuries was pretty crazy. I think it was on 3 consecutive days we found out Eovaldi, Wacha and Hill were all going on the IL. Then Sale.

 

Plus Kike, Story and Devers.

 

We were too thin to be able to withstand that many injuries.

The only bright side of this (if any) is that we found encouraging arms in Josh Winckowski, Kutter Crawford and John Schreiber moving forward and finally DFAed JBJ and Robles. Jake Diekman is gone as well who was a bust for us. Also, now we know we can count on Rob Refsnyder moving forward. Also, Davis, Brasier and Ort have to go. I mean, this has been bittersweet season but should help to shape the future.

[JDavis76]

JBJ as a 4th outfielder made some sense; pricey but I can see some logic there. The problem was they never had the 3rd OF, and once Kike went down, they were screwed.

 

Now I assume they somehow thought Cordero had figured things out, but he turned out to be JBJ lite; slightly better as a hitter but just as streaky and far worse defensively (and that was just his OF defense).

 

Bloom's error was in assuming players could move seamlessly from position like Tampa does. I'm guessing that Tampa has their guys playing everywhere in the minors so that they are able to move around. If you don't come up doing that, its a recipe for what we saw with Arroyo in the OF, Cordero at 1st, etc. I'll give credit to those players for saying, sure I'll try it, but it was a horrible plan.

 

Trading a productive OF for him made zero sense.....

[JDavis76]

Original Grade = C+

JBJ gets DFA'd is extra credit

New Grade = B-

 

I think your original grade was overly generous....

[Old Red]

JBJ as a 4th outfielder made some sense; pricey but I can see some logic there. The problem was they never had the 3rd OF, and once Kike went down, they were screwed.

 

Now I assume they somehow thought Cordero had figured things out, but he turned out to be JBJ lite; slightly better as a hitter but just as streaky and far worse defensively (and that was just his OF defense).

 

Bloom's error was in assuming players could move seamlessly from position like Tampa does. I'm guessing that Tampa has their guys playing everywhere in the minors so that they are able to move around. If you don't come up doing that, its a recipe for what we saw with Arroyo in the OF, Cordero at 1st, etc. I'll give credit to those players for saying, sure I'll try it, but it was a horrible plan.

 

JBJ made sense for a 4th OF, but not for the money, and I never heard Bloom, or Cora say that was what the plan was. The players were not to blame for trying to play other positions, but Bloom took way to long to try, and fix things. 100 games was way to long a sample size.

[illinoisredsox]

I'm not as hopeful about the prospects, as I was before, but the trade is not over, until we know for sure.

 

I'd say the odds are less than 1 in 100, it turns out okay.

 

Far too early to make that call, especially with Binelas. He just turned 22 and is in his first full year of professional baseball (drafted in June 2021); he's played about 120 minor league games spread over 4 levels in just over a year.

[iortiz]

JBJ made sense for a 4th OF, but not for the money, and I never heard Bloom, or Cora say that was what the plan was. The players were not to blame for trying to play other positions, but Bloom took way to long to try, and fix things. 100 games was way to long a sample size.

The thing was putting Renfroe in the equation. Looking backwards the trade looks way more awful now, considering how both players have performed thus far.

[cukes]

Bloom for whatever reason thought JBJ and Barnes were good moves. Barnes at least showed something he had never shown in 3 months but JBJ? That trade made no sense at all. Bloom is without a doubt on a very thin ice entering 2023 mostly since he will have flexibility in the books. If he fails agin, he will be very gone before the 2023 tradeline.

 

I don't have patience to wait that long for failure, I give up on this clown show

[moonslav59]

Far too early to make that call, especially with Binelas. He just turned 22 and is in his first full year of professional baseball (drafted in June 2021); he's played about 120 minor league games spread over 4 levels in just over a year.

 

fair enough.

 

I’m sticking with 100:1.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox have released Jackie Bradley Jr., according to the team.

[JDavis76]

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox have released Jackie Bradley Jr., according to the team.

 

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