A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[notin]

So yeah, you're at fault 100%. Critiquing someone else's fandom is just weird behavior.

 

It is fairly commonplace on here…

[moonslav59]

This is one of my main criticisms of Bloom; every GM misses on some acquisitions, but Chaim seldom keeps the good ones he finds.

 

The rotating roster makes for a cruddy fan experience, too -- just when you get used to liking a player, you have to start rooting for a new one who might not be as good.

 

I realize there are some x-factors beyond injuries or retirement that fans will never know about that lead to player turnover. But usually teams are always looking to upgrade positions when making changes. The Bloom Era is the first I can remember in Boston where it doesn't always feel that way.

 

I do think the nature of having so many slots to fill and too little money, lends itself to 1-2 year deals, but the point is a good one. More deals like Kike would have been nicer. Had we kept Perez one more year, as well as Springs and Renfroe, we'd have been much better off.

 

I will say, I'm glad many of the limited-in-skills players Bloom was forced to sign did not stick around for more than a year.

 

He did well getting out from one of his rare 2 year deals by getting McGuire for Diekman. The other, Sawamura, was let go.

 

Within the last 11 months, we've seen (countin club option years):

 

10 yrs Devers

6 yrs Story

6 yrs Whitlock

5 yrs Yoshida

2 yrs Jansen

2 yrs Kluber

2 yrs Martin

2 yrs Duvall

2 yrs Rodriguez

1 yr w player option Turner

 

Traded for

4+ yrs Mills

3 yrs McGuire

2 yrs Bleier

 

Only one 1-year deal, this winter: Mondesi plus Kike's 1 added to the previous 2.

 

That seems to be a big shift on this front.

 

[moonslav59]

It is fairly commonplace on here…

 

Isn't saying "Critiquing someone else's fandom is just weird behavior" critiquing someone else's fandom?

 

[mvp 78]

Either one of them can stop this instantly by not participating in a back-and-forth that no one reads but themselves. So apparently, each of them increases their personal sense of self-worth (not shared by anyone) by continuing.

 

It would take just one of them to put the other on ignore for our quality of life to dramatically improve around here.

 

They should have both been put on timeout by now IMO.

[mvp 78]

Guilty as charged.

 

I still think it's weird than any fans throws shadows on over half an organization.

 

So? You clearly aren't going to change his opinion. Use your considerable posting energy to put good into the world instead.

[notin]

So? You clearly aren't going to change his opinion. Use your considerable posting energy to put good into the world instead.

 

Plant a tree! Start a book club!

[mvp 78]

It is fairly commonplace on here…

 

I guess... I just never bought into the pink hat nonsense back in the day. Fans are fans. People cheer in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less happy or sad at the end of a game. There's just no right way to be a fan and that's ok. If you had to state something definitively, the perfect distillation of a fan would be a 10 year old, drinking a soda and yelling that a pitch was too high from 400'+ away. And I don't think we want 4th and 5th graders posting on here, because they are even more annoying than these old guys.

[notin]

Isn't saying "Critiquing someone else's fandom is just weird behavior" critiquing someone else's fandom?

 

 

No. It’s a standalone statement that need not be specific to anyone. Also, it makes no point one way or another about one’s fandom…

[mvp 78]

Plant a tree! Start a book club!

 

That's grounds for immediate execution in my county.

[notin]

I guess... I just never bought into the pink hat nonsense back in the day. Fans are fans. People cheer in different ways, but it doesn't make them any less happy or sad at the end of a game. There's just no right way to be a fan and that's ok. If you had to state something definitively, the perfect distillation of a fan would be a 10 year old, drinking a soda and yelling that a pitch was too high from 400'+ away. And I don't think we want 4th and 5th graders posting on here, because they are even more annoying than these old guys.

 

 

You don’t even need to go back to the pink hat stuff. This off-season we had 3 primary topics. 1) Devers 2) Bogaerts 3) Other people’s fandom…

[mvp 78]

Isn't saying "Critiquing someone else's fandom is just weird behavior" critiquing someone else's fandom?

 

 

No. That's just really bad logic.

[mvp 78]

You don’t even need to go back to the pink hat stuff. This off-season we had 3 primary topics. 1) Devers 2) Bogaerts 3) Other people’s fandom…

 

I guess I try to separate the "you like Bloom/you hate Bloom" and the "you are a bad fan" conversations. Maybe the second part was white noise to me?

[notin]

That's grounds for immediate execution in my county.

 

Plant a land mine! Start a Fight Club!!

[moonslav59]

So? You clearly aren't going to change his opinion. Use your considerable posting energy to put good into the world instead.

 

I've already recommitted to laying off the personal posts.

 

I tried putting him on ignore, before, and maybe I should try again.

[moonslav59]

No. It’s a standalone statement that need not be specific to anyone. Also, it makes no point one way or another about one’s fandom…

 

My critiquing someone else's fandom is based in my feelings of what being a fan means and relates directly to my fandom.

 

True, he called out my behavior and not my beliefs, but this is getting too deep.

[moonslav59]

I guess I try to separate the "you like Bloom/you hate Bloom" and the "you are a bad fan" conversations. Maybe the second part was white noise to me?

 

IMO, the whole idea that there is a defined "you like Bloom" club is out of whack, while I do believe there is a very defined group of posters who are near total Bloom bashers, even on things not even related to him or just slightly so.

 

Just my opinion.

 

[mvp 78]

Plant a land mine! Start a Fight Club!!

 

That’s more like it.

[mvp 78]

I've already recommitted to laying off the personal posts.

 

I tried putting him on ignore, before, and maybe I should try again.

 

Probably a good idea.

[jad]

Your armchair psychoanalysis is a a bit off, but I will try (again) to keep it less personal.

 

 

So far, you have just kept it going. So to move off my 'armchair psychoanalysis' mode, let me state it more clearly. When you are about to make a subtle, nuanced, clever, and layered take on people you disagree with, just STFU!

[Old Red]

I just have a funny feeling that if we had more mod activity around these parts that this beef would have been squashed a long time ago.

 

I agree 100%.Suspensions should be handed out to BOTH sides, and then a probation period on a return.

[moonslav59]

So far, you have just kept it going. So to move off my 'armchair psychoanalysis' mode, let me state it more clearly. When you are about to make a subtle, nuanced, clever, and layered take on people you disagree with, just STFU!

 

The times I get most antagonistic is not when I disagree. It's when someone blatantly misrepresents what I said, and when corrected, keeps repeating it.

 

When someone lies about what you said, it's not always easy to just STFU, but as I have said, I will try again.

 

Let's move on.

[jacksonianmarch]

Its a baseball message board for a team predicted to suck and it is February. Fights will break out. Blow off steam and go from there. If you want to fight, make a fight thread and hash it out

[harmony]

Its a baseball message board for a team predicted to suck and it is February. Fights will break out. Blow off steam and go from there. If you want to fight, make a fight thread and hash it out

The latest FanGraphs WAR projections have the Red Sox fourth in the American League East, just ahead of the Seattle Mariners, who are projected fourth in the American League West:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=9

 

In the projections the Red Sox edge over the Mariners comes entirely in projected pitching WAR. Surprising.

[moonslav59]

The latest FanGraphs WAR projections have the Red Sox fourth in the American League East, just ahead of the Seattle Mariners, who are projected fourth in the American League West:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=9

 

In the projections the Red Sox edge over the Mariners comes entirely in projected pitching WAR. Surprising.

 

They have Pivetta 6th in SP WAR and 1st in IP.

 

The Sox are ranked14th in pitching and hitting.

 

One interesting projection:

4.5 Bogey

3.5 Red Sox SS mix

[a700hitter]

Isn’t it arbitrary to question someone’s fandom for critiquing 50% of the team. What are we supposed to do if we have a last place team —- likely more than half of the team will be worse than replacement level. If someone critiques only 25%, is that person a better fan? I just don’t understand why people think that critiquing players means hatred of the players. That’s just silly. Brooklyn Dodger fans called the team Dem Bums, but they loved that team and the players. A critique is not hatred. Movie reviewers who pan a movie because the performances are awful don’t hate the actors. There is a big distinction between critique and hatred. And nicknames are just fun.

[notin]

Isn’t it arbitrary to question someone’s fandom for critiquing 50% of the team. What are we supposed to do if we have a last place team —- likely more than half of the team will be worse than replacement level. If someone critiques only 25%, is that person a better fan? I just don’t understand why people think that critiquing players means hatred of the players. That’s just silly. Brooklyn Dodger fans called the team Dem Bums, but they loved that team and the players. A critique is not hatred. Movie reviewers who pan a movie because the performances are awful don’t hate the actors. There is a big distinction between critique and hatred. And nicknames are just fun.

 

Critiquing players, coaches, executives, announcers, etc.is all 100% acceptable. Also acceptable is critiquing medical personnel, security, bat boys, hot dog vendors, and parking lot attendants.

 

But not the fandom of other fans…

[cp176]

IMO, the whole idea that there is a defined "you like Bloom" club is out of whack, while I do believe there is a very defined group of posters who are near total Bloom bashers, even on things not even related to him or just slightly so.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

I don't agree with you here at all. I only comment about DD when either you or notin express your feelings with respect to what you feel it is that he did to our farm system. You do a very good job of justifying how you feel i'll admit but it still remains your opinion. Some of us do not believe that it was as devastating as you both want to make out that it was. Some of us really do believe that it wasn't depleted of all talent when he left and some of us believe that he used it the way it should be used. I am very much over this controversy now though. Your feud with Red causes this topic to continually be brought up. Hey, I'm a long leash kind of guy but I do wish that DD was still here.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The latest FanGraphs WAR projections have the Red Sox fourth in the American League East, just ahead of the Seattle Mariners, who are projected fourth in the American League West:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=9

 

In the projections the Red Sox edge over the Mariners comes entirely in projected pitching WAR. Surprising.

 

Don't know much about Seattle's bullpen, but it's mind-boggling that any reputable site would chose the Sox' old and rehabbing question-mark rotation over the young supple muscle tissues of the M's' starters.

[notin]

Don't know much about Seattle's bullpen, but it's mind-boggling that any reputable site would chose the Sox' old and rehabbing question-mark rotation over the young supple muscle tissues of the M's' starters.

 

That site also projected 260 IP from Sale and Paxton.

 

 

Now if the Sox get 260 IP from that pair, good things can happen. But I think that total might be a bit optimistic…

Edited February 7, 2023 by notin

[notin]

I don't agree with you here at all. I only comment about DD when either you or notin express your feelings with respect to what you feel it is that he did to our farm system. You do a very good job of justifying how you feel i'll admit but it still remains your opinion. Some of us do not believe that it was as devastating as you both want to make out that it was. Some of us really do believe that it wasn't depleted of all talent when he left and some of us believe that he used it the way it should be used. I am very much over this controversy now though. Your feud with Red causes this topic to continually be brought up. Hey, I'm a long leash kind of guy but I do wish that DD was still here.

 

The thing is, defending DD is fine. I’ll probably comment on him again at some point in my life. If you defend him then, I get it. It’s the entire purpose of forums like this.

 

But at some point the line gets crossed and the comments get centered around the poster and not the current or former executive…