A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox are still $110 million under NEXT years cap, which is the year they’ll need to reset if they stay over next.

 

Henry doesn’t have the balls to do this, but they could easily go Correa/Senga/extend Devers.

 

I think Sox fans would be happy with that offseason, and it would go a long way to mitigate the loss of a star homegrown talent like Bogey.

 

Honestly, I don't see any other option. I don't relish the cliffs and valleys that come with albatross contracts, but it's part of the game... if you want to play the game. That's the real Moneyball in the 2020s.

[redsoxrules]

f*** the payroll. You don't see Cohen being concerned being way over the tax line. Henry is a billionaire. He can afford it

[Old Red]

And why should we think Henry is going to do such nice things after booting Betts and Bogey?

 

He’s already done nice things. He raised ticket prices. Nice things for him anyways.

[Old Red]

f*** the payroll. You don't see Cohen being concerned being way over the tax line. Henry is a billionaire. He can afford it

 

Now your talking, but some of the posters on here worry more about the payroll than they should for this guy.

[Bellhorn04]

Who thinks that?

 

I thought you were raising it as a possibility.

[Bellhorn04]

He’s already done nice things. He raised ticket prices. Nice things for him anyways.

 

It's time for Henry and Werner to go. Unfortunately, it might take a really miserable 2023 season to convince them to do it.

[Hugh2]

I thought you were raising it as a possibility.

 

Saying something is possible, and something is likely are two entirely different things. I'll say it again, John Henry doesn't have the testicles.

[notin]

Who thinks that?

 

New England

[Old Red]

It's time for Henry and Werner to go. Unfortunately, it might take a really miserable 2023 season to convince them to do it.

 

Last year was bad enough, but another year like it especially after Bogey left, and possibly Raffy too would I believe just push most of the fans over the edge, and some don’t have far to go like me.

[notin]

Now your talking, but some of the posters on here worry more about the payroll than they should for this guy.

 

So you still think payroll isn’t a factor for this team? No one worries about it. But those who have repeatedly acknowledged it are clearly closest to being in the know…

[Hugh2]

New England

 

Yeah, well.....my confidence isn't sky-high right now either.

 

I'm thinking back to the Lester debacle. It was the same thing then. The Sox will never spend money! they're cheap! dumpster divers!!! then they go out and set the market with Price. So it's lessons from the past like that keeping my hopeful.

 

Hopefully they don't wait a whole offseason this year, because there is still talent out there and they still have some money. They need a bat, preferably at SS, they need a good starting pitcher #2 caliber or potential, and they need to extend Devers. Someone needs to Leonardo DiCaprio this s*** and go into Blooms/Henrys dream and plant the ideal into their heads that they have balls. Big balls, and they need to use them.

[Hugh2]

Now your talking, but some of the posters on here worry more about the payroll than they should for this guy.

 

$25 the Mets reset the cap next year.

 

I'll claim bonus credits for when LA resets this year.

[notin]

Yeah, well.....my confidence isn't sky-high right now either.

 

I'm thinking back to the Lester debacle. It was the same thing then. The Sox will never spend money! they're cheap! dumpster divers!!! then they go out and set the market with Price. So it's lessons from the past like that keeping my hopeful.

 

Hopefully they don't wait a whole offseason this year, because there is still talent out there and they still have some money. They need a bat, preferably at SS, they need a good starting pitcher #2 caliber or potential, and they need to extend Devers. Someone needs to Leonardo DiCaprio this s*** and go into Blooms/Henrys dream and plant the ideal into their heads that they have balls. Big balls, and they need to use them.

 

All they need to do is extend Devers.

 

And unlike Bogaerts, he isn’t 30, and really, isn’t even that close. He has plenty of prime years left. Even a 12 year deal may only have 3-4 albatross years at the end, which means 8 good years upfront. That’s more than the Padres will get from Bogaerts or the Phillies will get from Turner..

[Hugh2]

All these "It aint' my money" folks (insert R**** sponge bob face meme) are hilarious. You realize EVERYONE resets every several years now? even the Mets have 100 million coming off the books next year and will reset. LA is going to reset this year. L freaking A.

 

Here is some food for thought. If the Sox sign a free agent with a QO attached to it they're going to lose 1 million dollars in international bonus pool money, because they went over the cap this year. If the year was 2013, this would mean they are not signing Rafael Devers to a 1.5 million dollar contract. And if it was last year they're not signing Miguel Bleis, who if you haven't heard of him you will soon. He's probably the most hyped up international signee the Sox have had since Bogaerts, and could be a top prospect in all of baseball by next year.

 

These things matter. If you can't see why they matter? it's ok.......baseball is a thinking mans sport.

[Hugh2]

All they need to do is extend Devers.

 

And unlike Bogaerts, he isn’t 30, and really, isn’t even that close. He has plenty of prime years left. Even a 12 year deal may only have 3-4 albatross years at the end, which means 8 good years upfront. That’s more than the Padres will get from Bogaerts or the Phillies will get from Turner..

 

You can easily give Devers a 12 year deal with an opt out after the 3rd or 4th year. Which he will likely exercise and you probably lose him then BUT you get Devers for at least 3 more years in his prime.

[Old Red]

So you still think payroll isn’t a factor for this team? No one worries about it. But those who have repeatedly acknowledged it are clearly closest to being in the know…

 

Let’s reword that to being closet to they think to being in the know, and pat yourself on the back to think you’re one of them.

[notin]

Let’s reword that to being closet to they think to being in the know, and pat yourself on the back to think you’re one of them.

 

I have never pretended payroll wasn’t a factor. This is true.

 

Calling out fans who “worry about payroll” doesn’t make you look smarter and doesn’t even direct the complaint in the right direction…

[Old Red]

I have never pretended payroll wasn’t a factor. This is true.

 

Calling out fans who “worry about payroll” doesn’t make you look smarter and doesn’t even direct the complaint in the right direction…

Calling out fans for Anything doesn’t make anyone look smarter, but it’s done plenty on here, so let’s call everyone out who does, or not at all just to keep it going in the right direction.

[Bellhorn04]

$25 the Mets reset the cap next year.

 

I'll take that one, Hugh.

[Old Red]

I'll take that one, Hugh.

 

He’s trying to make JH look better, but it doesn’t work.

[Hugh2]

I'll take that one, Hugh.

 

You think they won't reset next year?

[Hugh2]

He’s trying to make JH look better, but it doesn’t work.

 

It's cute when you make up arguments. I'm literally saying the man has no balls.

[Old Red]

It's cute when you make up arguments. I'm literally saying the man has no balls.

 

He raised ticket prices didn’t he?

[Bellhorn04]

You think they won't reset next year?

 

Correct. Do we have a bet?

[Hugh2]

He raised ticket prices didn’t he?

 

I'm talking about the product on the field einstein. John Henry doesn't have the balls to go big. He had them in the past when he signed guys like Price but he's obviously lost them, maybe not the offseason isn't over and Correa is still out there but I'm not too hopeful they sign him.

 

At least the bullpen is much better next year.

 

All those 5-7 games in the 7th inning will now STAY 5-7 losses.

[Hugh2]

correct. Do we have a bet?

 

yup.

[Bellhorn04]

He raised ticket prices didn’t he?

 

Not a bad point. It does take balls to raise ticket prices while ushering Bogey and Devers out the door.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR was making it sound like negotiations were going well with Bogey, so I think a lot of us were optimistic.

 

But it turned out to be just another joke played on us by our clown show front office.

 

I understand that, but before those reports came out and right after the Yoshida signing, the mood was uplifting, here, while many still felt Bogey was a gonner.

 

The media or Sox tease on Bogey that came later certainly affected the massive mood swing, but even just BEFORE the Bogey and Sox close to a deal report came out, I said something like, "Is it a coincidence that we met with Bogey and had heavy talks, then immediately signed Yoshida?" I could be wrong, but I think some shared the sentiment that even more than before, the feeling was Bogey was a goner.

 

I get why people are angry and frustrated. My mood sunk, too, as the tease got to me, as well.

 

We still have $40M. I'm moving on from Bogey with a sunken heart, but we have Mayer coming up soon, and I'm glad we did not come close to matching the Padres final offer. (I get the whole we could have ______ earlier- and kept him here, but I'm moving on.)

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox have been providing entertainment to the whole sports world about this. The funniest part is that their final offer was apparently outbid by about 5 other teams. Not even in the same zip code. And then we have the stunned Bloom at the airport. Just an amazing clown show.

 

Can we agree that the Sox never felt Bogey was worth market price, even when we could have had him for much cheaper, when that market price was lower?

 

I believed the same about Lester.

 

I do think they wanted Betts but did not want to budge from their max offer. The Sox have done that with many stars in the past, and they guessed right on most of them. They got Lester wrong. They probably got Betts wrong. Bogey is TBD, but certainly, in hindsight, a $160-170M/6 extension made a year ago looks to be the winning choice that we refused to make. I get that, but back then, Bogey's market did not seem close to $280M/11.

 

We may disagree, that back then, Bogey was or was not worth $168M/6, or whatever min he would have accepted, but I understand the Sox way of determining current player value and projected value, and may disagree at times, but they have had a pretty good record in this area, even including Lester all the way up to the Betts trade. Some could argue that even up to today, they have guessed right more than wrong, but their wrong ones seem to be doodies.

[moonslav59]

Sox are still $110 million under NEXT years cap, which is the year they’ll need to reset if they stay over next.

 

Henry doesn’t have the balls to do this, but they could easily go Correa/Senga/extend Devers.

 

I think Sox fans would be happy with that offseason, and it would go a long way to mitigate the loss of a star homegrown talent like Bogey.

 

I truly believe the Story signing was in reaction to fan disgust and the projected loss of TV and attendance revenue. Maybe the current fan disgust, which seems as bad as I've seen in a long time will light a bigger fire under JH's ass,