Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the McGuire jokes have more than run their course. They have been beaten to death. Time to let it go. ( No puns intended ) .

 

Yeah, stop yanking his chain

[dgalehouse]

I was all for signing Rizzo last year. Too late now. But at least with Hosmer you will see quality first base play. The infield will benefit. And he should.be able to take advantage of the wall in left. It was a good move.

[mvp 78]

I was all for signing Rizzo last year. Too late now. But at least with Hosmer you will see quality first base play. The infield will benefit. And he should.be able to take advantage of the wall in left. It was a good move.

 

Padres fans keep saying how horrible Hosmer is and that Sox fans will regret the move... Buddy, you haven't seen what we've seen this year...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Padres fans keep saying how horrible Hosmer is and that Sox fans will regret the move... Buddy, you haven't seen what we've seen this year...

 

It really is mind-boggling that the Red Sox are a better team today because they finally added an actual big league first baseman and outfielder. Fans can argue they lost a catcher who can hit, but at least they replaced him with another actual MLB catcher.

 

So at the deadline, Boston subtracted one major leaguer position player, but added three. And they got rid of a reliever known as a notorious foot-finder...

[Kimmi]

Padres fans are excited about Preller now, but they could sour on him really quick. If they don't re-sign Soto or get a WS in the next few years, this is an abject failure.

 

If the Padres win a WS in the next 3 years, it will have been worth it. Yes, these types of moves are really exciting for the fan base, but there's no guarantee and they don't come without consequences.

[Elktonnick]

If the Padres win a WS in the next 3 years, it will have been worth it. Yes, these types of moves are really exciting for the fan base, but there's no guarantee and they don't come without consequences.

This goes along with the Padres having the best broadcaster in the business in Don Orsillo while we are stuck with OB and whatever ex Red Sox NESN can dragoon to sit with him for three plus hours.

[Kimmi]

This goes along with the Padres having the best broadcaster in the business in Don Orsillo while we are stuck with OB and whatever ex Red Sox NESN can dragoon to sit with him for three plus hours.

 

Perhaps we should all become Padres fans, just to send a message.

[oldtimer]

Judging from where the Sox were in the standings and the level of competition from teams like the, Yankees, Houston, Toronto and Atlanta, only the most optimistic fans would have believed we had a shot at a WS this year. After the trade deadline the disparity grew even more adding the Padres to the mix of those ahead of the Sox in talent. The smart move for Bloom and the front office would have been to keep a core intact and try to build toward being a contender in 2023 and beyond. He may have had significant financial constraints for 2022 and yet some of his moves this year have been head scratchers. I have difficulty seeing a plan in Bloom's approach to date. He will have more resources to play with for the winter meeting but the Sox could have further holes to fill with Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez likely to leave. I've been a fan a long time and must say I come away from the trade deadline feeling confused and disappointed.

[jacksonianmarch]

Padres fans keep saying how horrible Hosmer is and that Sox fans will regret the move... Buddy, you haven't seen what we've seen this year...

 

Hosmer is a minus defender by any metric yet he keeps winning GGs. Strange

[JDavis76]

J.D. has been a big part of this team for five years. He deserves more respect than he gets on on this site.. Same for Eovaldi.

 

Let's see how much "respect" they give the front office come free agency this off season.......

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hosmer is a minus defender by any metric yet he keeps winning GGs. Strange

 

This is the USofA, where we use standard units of measurement! The rest of the entire planet is strange for insisting on using the metric system.

[cp176]

Judging from where the Sox were in the standings and the level of competition from teams like the, Yankees, Houston, Toronto and Atlanta, only the most optimistic fans would have believed we had a shot at a WS this year. After the trade deadline the disparity grew even more adding the Padres to the mix of those ahead of the Sox in talent. The smart move for Bloom and the front office would have been to keep a core intact and try to build toward being a contender in 2023 and beyond. He may have had significant financial constraints for 2022 and yet some of his moves this year have been head scratchers. I have difficulty seeing a plan in Bloom's approach to date. He will have more resources to play with for the winter meeting but the Sox could have further holes to fill with Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Martinez likely to leave. I've been a fan a long time and must say I come away from the trade deadline feeling confused and disappointed.

 

good post - I agree

[notin]

This is the USofA, where we use standard units of measurement! The rest of the entire planet is strange for insisting on using the metric system.

 

True.

 

Hosmer is successful when you look at his defense in terms of gallons and acres, but a virtual flop when you use Newtons and kilometers.

 

I find it befuddling, too…

[notin]

Hosmer is a minus defender by any metric yet he keeps winning GGs. Strange

 

When compared to Franchy, he transcend Gold Glover. He shoots right past Platinum Glover straight up to Unobtainium Glover….

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

When compared to Franchy, he transcend Gold Glover. He shoots right past Platinum Glover straight up to Unobtainium Glover….

 

Compared to Franchy, all anyone needs to be is a glover. He can't even put one on -- once, he misjudged the finger holes and poked the centerfielder in the eye; another time, his hand missed the glove entirely and it slipped out of his other hand... it flipped up in the air, Franchy and the second baseman stared at each other, and it fell on the floor between them.

[moonslav59]

I’ve never been a big Hosmer fan. His offense has been up and down, but it was mostly about the money.

 

He’s a huge upgrade, this year and may allow us to deal Casas, this winter.

 

I think, overall, we got better for 2022 without sacrificing anything from the future except Groome- someone I had little faith in anyway.

[oldtimer]

I’ve never been a big Hosmer fan. His offense has been up and down, but it was mostly about the money.

 

He’s a huge upgrade, this year and may allow us to deal Casas, this winter.

 

I think, overall, we got better for 2022 without sacrificing anything from the future except Groome- someone I had little faith in anyway.

 

We can think of Hosmer as a DH if Casas becomes a viable young option at 1st. At least Hosmer is a pro. Possibly Dalbec will be dealt.

[vjcsmoke]

It really is mind-boggling that the Red Sox are a better team today because they finally added an actual big league first baseman and outfielder. Fans can argue they lost a catcher who can hit, but at least they replaced him with another actual MLB catcher.

 

LOL, saying Reese Mcguire is an actual MLB catcher is like saying JBJ is an actual MLB outfielder. It means nothing.

 

Let's look at the actual facts?

 

Reese Mcguire:

BA .225, OBP .261, SLG .285, OPS .546.

 

Christian Vazquez:

BA .282, OBP .327, SLG .432, OPS .759

 

By every offensive metric possible, Mcguire is a HUGE DOWNGRADE compared to Vazquez.

That's not including the fact that Vazquez was a highly respected and valued teammate and was highly familiar with our pitching staff and how to handle them.

 

Meanwhile the highlights of McGuire are that he was caught and arrested for public masturbation in 2020.

 

WTF are you smoking Chaim Bloom? The baseball 'genius' has struck OUT yet again! What a disastrous deadline move!

[moonslav59]

We can think of Hosmer as a DH if Casas becomes a viable young option at 1st. At least Hosmer is a pro. Possibly Dalbec will be dealt.

 

I thought Hosmer was really good on defense.

 

I think we trade Casas and maybe Dalbec.

 

Just a hunch.

[Old Red]

LOL, saying Reese Mcguire is an actual MLB catcher is like saying JBJ is an actual MLB outfielder. It means nothing.

 

Let's look at the actual facts?

 

Reese Mcguire:

BA .225, OBP .261, SLG .285, OPS .546.

 

Christian Vazquez:

BA .282, OBP .327, SLG .432, OPS .759

 

By every offensive metric possible, Mcguire is a HUGE DOWNGRADE compared to Vazquez.

That's not including the fact that Vazquez was a highly respected and valued teammate and was highly familiar with our pitching staff and how to handle them.

 

Meanwhile the highlights of McGuire are that he was caught and arrested for public masturbation in 2020.

 

WTF are you smoking Chaim Bloom? The baseball 'genius' has struck OUT yet again! What a disastrous deadline move!

Not to mention that Vaz had many big clutch hits on his resume.

[moonslav59]

LOL, saying Reese Mcguire is an actual MLB catcher is like saying JBJ is an actual MLB outfielder. It means nothing.

 

Let's look at the actual facts?

 

Reese Mcguire:

BA .225, OBP .261, SLG .285, OPS .546.

 

Christian Vazquez:

BA .282, OBP .327, SLG .432, OPS .759

 

By every offensive metric possible, Mcguire is a HUGE DOWNGRADE compared to Vazquez.

That's not including the fact that Vazquez was a highly respected and valued teammate and was highly familiar with our pitching staff and how to handle them.

 

Meanwhile the highlights of McGuire are that he was caught and arrested for public masturbation in 2020.

 

WTF are you smoking Chaim Bloom? The baseball 'genius' has struck OUT yet again! What a disastrous deadline move!

 

Look at the facts that show most pitchers do much better with any catcher not names Vazquez.

 

The fact that Vaz has hit under .660 in half his seasons- under .585 in 1/4.

 

The fact that Vaz turns 32 very soon and is a FA, after this season.

 

The fact that McGuire is 27 and has 2 more low cost, arb years, in seasons where money will likely be tight with many slots to fill.

 

The fact that every trade is not valued on what each player has done on offense, this year only. It's about cost, years of control and defense, too.

 

Your fatc are accurate, but selected to support your opinion. That's fine, but they are not all the facts.

[JDavis76]

I thought Hosmer was really good on defense.

 

I think we trade Casas and maybe Dalbec.

 

Just a hunch.

 

hosmer has posted a UZR of -3.2, a UZR/150 of -6.1 and a -1 DRS this season.

[dgalehouse]

And under the bus goes Vazquez. Didn't take long. Move over Benintendi. Who's next?

[moonslav59]

And under the bus goes Vazquez. Didn't take long. Move over Benintendi. Who's next?

 

Everything I said about Vaz, I said before and some for years.

 

We traded 2 months of a soon-to-be 32 year old catcher, during a season, where you and others seem to believe almost everyone on the team not acquired by DD sucks.

 

IMO, we should have traded more expiring contracts, but the funny thing to me is that it seems Bloom did not, in order to keep fans like you happy.

 

Boy, did he miss the mark!

[notin]

I thought Hosmer was really good on defense.

 

I think we trade Casas and maybe Dalbec.

 

Just a hunch.

 

 

Hosmer is a stopgap 1b and future DFA fodder. His minimum wage won’t he hard to cut…

[moonslav59]

Hosmer is a stopgap 1b and future DFA fodder. His minimum wage won’t he hard to cut…

 

I'm not so sure.

 

Yes, he'll be 33, next season, but he's basically free.

 

You think they DFA him before Cordero? (Cordero can play OF.)

 

Dalbec still has options and is not showing he is better than Hosmer and deserves to be on the 26.

 

I'm not saying he'll never be DFA'd, but I think Bloom got him for more than just 2022.

[notin]

I'm not so sure.

 

Yes, he'll be 33, next season, but he's basically free.

 

You think they DFA him before Cordero? (Cordero can play OF.)

 

Dalbec still has options and is not showing he is better than Hosmer and deserves to be on the 26.

 

I'm not saying he'll never be DFA'd, but I think Bloom got him for more than just 2022.

 

 

Oh I’m not stating when Hosmer gets DFAd or who goes before or after him. Just that he WILL get DFAd because there’s no contract to cling to as a reason to keep him.

 

And he’s not very likely to force the issue with his lackluster play…

[mvp 78]

The most important metric for a catcher is what they do behind the plate. McGuire is much better behind the plate than Vaz is. Just looking at offensive stats really downplays what a catcher brings to the table.

 

However, I don't believe McGuire is the long term replacement for Vaz.

[moonslav59]

Oh I’m not stating when Hosmer gets DFAd or who goes before or after him. Just that he WILL get DFAd because there’s no contract to cling to as a reason to keep him.

 

And he’s not very likely to force the issue with his lackluster play…

 

I get why GMs are reluctant to DFA larger salary guys, especially if they were brought in by themselves, but as of now, Hosmer is better than several players on the 26 and 40, so he is down on my list.

[moonslav59]

The most important metric for a catcher is what they do behind the plate. McGuire is much better behind the plate than Vaz is. Just looking at offensive stats really downplays what a catcher brings to the table.

 

However, I don't believe McGuire is the long term replacement for Vaz.

 

I don't either. To me, he's like Sandy Leon- any offense is a plus, but Sandy did play in about half the games for a 3 year stretch, so maybe he'll be more than just a typical back-up catcher.