Fire Bloom .

[MADSTORK]

18 11 start with Jansen at Closer

 

Arroyo playing well at 2B hey pink hats!

 

20 million short (Storybook) to sign Devers “priceless”

 

Bye bye Orlando!

[moonslav59]

They’re also a .500 team.

 

And the way the AL East is this year, the last place team could easily win 86 or 87 games….

 

What's interesting to me, is that we are now 49-40 since the first 19 games of the season, despite all the injuries and 2 significant declines from Bogey and JD.

[Bellhorn04]

What's interesting to me, is that we are now 49-40 since the first 19 games of the season, despite all the injuries and 2 significant declines from Bogey and JD.

 

A lot of that is schedule-related. We had an excellent stretch against weaker teams.

[jad]

Wherever there are uber-rich people, there will be no lack of apologists for them.

[moonslav59]

A lot of that is schedule-related. We had an excellent stretch against weaker teams.

 

True, but most of our injuries happened after the 20th game of the season.

[Old Red]

A lot of that is schedule-related. We had an excellent stretch against weaker teams.

 

Not just weaker teams, but that the weaker teams like a Seattle at the time was playing bad ball not like the Seattle team of the past month, and the Angels were going through their long losing streak., so not only bad teams, but playing bad at the time also.

[Hugh2]

Injuries are a weak excuse for last place.

 

It’s not an excuse it’s a reality. The Sox had over $100 million per annum on the DL. More than any other team in MLB. Blame that on whoever you want, but no one can deny that the Sox have had worse injury luck than any other team this year.

 

FWIW the Sox wouldn’t be last in any other division in MLB.

[Old Red]

It’s not an excuse it’s a reality. The Sox had over $100 million per annum on the DL. More than any other team in MLB. Blame that on whoever you want, but no one can deny that the Sox have had worse injury luck than any other team this year.

 

FWIW the Sox wouldn’t be last in any other division in MLB.

Once again grasping at straws for a team that just made it back to 500. Kike sucked with the bat since opening day, but would have at least caught fly balls in the outfield. The circus at 1B would have still happened, and JBJ still couldn’t hit.

Edited August 18, 2022 by Old Red

[Hugh2]

Once again grasping at straws for a team that just made it back to 500. Kike sucked with the bat since opening day, but would have at least caught fly balls in the outfield. The circus at 1B would have still happened, and JBJ still couldn’t hit.

 

So what you’re saying is the team, not injured on opening day is the team Bloom is at fault for? The one that effectively took you two games within a World Series?

 

So KIKE sucked, bad Bloom, how many people have him strife for that pick up last year. Good players and good teams get off to slow starts, bad teams and bad players go through stretches were they perform above their means. That’s what happens in a 162 baseball season. Imagine if the Yankees flip flopped their first month with their last month?

 

They’d have been worse than us to start off the season yet look where they are now. You have to look at the season as a whole and the BIG PICTURE. Hard to not have tunnel vision while consumed by hate. I get it, we always need someone to blame. I don’t t debate this team comes without criticism. Trading for JBJ was pretty dumb, but it’s undeniable that this team caught the injury bug worse than any other MLB team, if you don’t think key injuries have had an affect then I suppose you believe just any pitcher can replace Chris Sale, or a jar of peanuts could have replaced KIkE in center, because injuries don’t have an effect on a team…that’s just a silly little excuse.

[notin]

Once again grasping at straws for a team that just made it back to 500. Kike sucked with the bat since opening day, but would have at least caught fly balls in the outfield. The circus at 1B would have still happened, and JBJ still couldn’t hit.

 

So you’re saying Bloom is at fault for believing in Kike and Dalbec?

 

It’s not always possible to find upgrades between March and July…

[Hugh2]

So you’re saying Bloom is at fault for believing in Kike and Dalbec?

 

It’s not always possible to find upgrades between March and July…

 

Weren’t Kike and Dalbec really good at the end of last year too? When GMs sign guys they should make sure they’re going to be good every year, not just sometimes. If you can’t predict future outcomes and injuries you’re just a small market ray.

[Bellhorn04]

I would allocate the blame pie for 2022 something like this:

 

Lingering payroll issues 1/3

Bloom's failed moves (Bradley trade, Diekman signing etc.) 1/3

Injuries 1/3

[Old Red]

So you’re saying Bloom is at fault for believing in Kike and Dalbec?

 

It’s not always possible to find upgrades between March and July…

 

Kike was brought up just to say he sucked at bat before his injury, so don’t look more into it then it was. If you don’t think an upgrade could not have been made before the trade deadline then think that all you want, but it cost the team games. Waiting for someone to practically give you a Hosmer should have been done two months earlier even if it meant giving up a prospect/suspect like Groome. Excuse to protect Bloom to say a 1B couldn’t have been done before it was. Wow! Only on here.

[Old Red]

I would allocate the blame pie for 2022 something like this:

 

Lingering payroll issues 1/3

Bloom's failed moves (Bradley trade, Diekman signing etc.) 1/3

Injuries 1/3

Agree, but the power outage of the big bats are in there too.

[moonslav59]

So what you’re saying is the team, not injured on opening day is the team Bloom is at fault for? The one that effectively took you two games within a World Series?

 

So KIKE sucked, bad Bloom, how many people have him strife for that pick up last year. Good players and good teams get off to slow starts, bad teams and bad players go through stretches were they perform above their means. That’s what happens in a 162 baseball season. Imagine if the Yankees flip flopped their first month with their last month?

 

They’d have been worse than us to start off the season yet look where they are now. You have to look at the season as a whole and the BIG PICTURE. Hard to not have tunnel vision while consumed by hate. I get it, we always need someone to blame. I don’t t debate this team comes without criticism. Trading for JBJ was pretty dumb, but it’s undeniable that this team caught the injury bug worse than any other MLB team, if you don’t think key injuries have had an affect then I suppose you believe just any pitcher can replace Chris Sale, or a jar of peanuts could have replaced KIkE in center, because injuries don’t have an effect on a team…that’s just a silly little excuse.

 

Not only was Bloom supposed to predict the future and sign or trade for better players on the tight budget handed, him, he was supposed to magically produce a bench capable of handling a ton of injuries, because injuries are just an excuse.

[moonslav59]

Weren’t Kike and Dalbec really good at the end of last year too? When GMs sign guys they should make sure they’re going to be good every year, not just sometimes. If you can’t predict future outcomes and injuries you’re just a small market ray.

 

lmao

[Hugh2]

Kike was brought up just to say he sucked at bat before his injury, so don’t look more into it then it was. If you don’t think an upgrade could not have been made before the trade deadline then think that all you want, but it cost the team games. Waiting for someone to practically give you a Hosmer should have been done two months earlier even if it meant giving up a prospect/suspect like Groome. Excuse to protect Bloom to say a 1B couldn’t have been done before it was. Wow! Only on here.

 

You have this duality. You keep on arguing about how horrible this team is and no excuses for being in last place. But you wanted upgrades made to the team at the deadline.

 

This is like having $15,000 to put towards your car and wanting buy a new engine and transmission for your beat up 1994 dodge neon with 250,000 miles on it, and it’s 2018 and you think you should fix up the old car instead of just buying a new one.

 

This team can’t be too poorly constructed to compete, and yet only a deadline move or two away from competing. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Edited August 18, 2022 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[moonslav59]

So you’re saying Bloom is at fault for believing in Kike and Dalbec?

 

It’s not always possible to find upgrades between March and July…

 

The other thing is, we did have Refsnyder in the system that worked out as a capable RH'd OF bat, but then JBJ s*** the bed.

 

We had Casas as our top ML ready prospect ready to fill in for Dalbec and then he got hurt in late May, so the timetable for Bloom to have acquired capable back-ups was not from opening day to the deadline. At worst it was from the end of may to August 2nd, and who knows what GM were looking to trade, then?

[Old Red]

Not only was Bloom supposed to predict the future and sign or trade for better players on the tight budget handed, him, he was supposed to magically produce a bench capable of handling a ton of injuries, because injuries are just an excuse.

 

Deny, deny, deny. It’s not that Bloom was supposed to predict the future, or magically produce a bench handling injuries, but the fact that Kike sucked before his injury, and first base was a clown show, and Duran couldn’t track, or catch a fly ball how come he had to wait for the trade deadline to get a a legit 1B, and an adequate OF who he was negotiating with before the season started? If he can’t do a better job than that to me he needs to be replaced.

[Hugh2]

The other thing is, we did have Refsnyder in the system that worked out as a capable RH'd OF bat, but then JBJ s*** the bed.

 

We had Casas as our top ML ready prospect ready to fill in for Dalbec and then he got hurt in late May, so the timetable for Bloom to have acquired capable back-ups was not from opening day to the deadline. At worst it was from the end of may to August 2nd, and who knows what GM were looking to trade, then?

 

And how come moves like this don’t happen all across baseball? Didn’t anyone stop and ask themselves why the other 29 teams don’t do this either?

[moonslav59]

You have this duality. You keep on arguing about how horrible this team is and no excuses for being in last place. But you wanted upgrades made to the team at the deadline.

 

This is like having $15,000 to put towards your car and wanting buy a new engine and transmission for your beat up 1994 dodge neon with 250,000 miles on it, and it’s 2018 and you think you should fix up the old car instead of just buying a new one.

 

This team can’t be too poorly constructed to compete, and yet only a deadline move or two away from competing. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

 

This is what I have been saying. Some of the posters who seem to have had the worst outlook on the 2022 team, most from day one, were also the ones thinking we were just a couple significant moves away from contending had we made some bold deadline trades.

 

Conversely, some of the posters who had the most optimistic outlooks about this year's roster were the ones thinking a sell-off of one year controll players was a viable idea.

[moonslav59]

And how come moves like this don’t happen all across baseball? Didn’t anyone stop and ask themselves why the other 29 teams don’t do this either?

 

It's just not what GMs are looking to do in May and June. Even those way out of it.

[Old Red]

The other thing is, we did have Refsnyder in the system that worked out as a capable RH'd OF bat, but then JBJ s*** the bed.

 

We had Casas as our top ML ready prospect ready to fill in for Dalbec and then he got hurt in late May, so the timetable for Bloom to have acquired capable back-ups was not from opening day to the deadline. At worst it was from the end of may to August 2nd, and who knows what GM were looking to trade, then?

You answered it yourself. Casas went down in May, but it took until Aug to get a legit 1B, who has solidified the infield D since he stepped on the field. Incompetent GM to me, and you made the case.

[notin]

Kike was brought up just to say he sucked at bat before his injury, so don’t look more into it then it was. If you don’t think an upgrade could not have been made before the trade deadline then think that all you want, but it cost the team games. Waiting for someone to practically give you a Hosmer should have been done two months earlier even if it meant giving up a prospect/suspect like Groome. Excuse to protect Bloom to say a 1B couldn’t have been done before it was. Wow! Only on here.

 

 

Hey it’s tough to trade for players when no one else wants to, and the extra wild card might have postponed decisions to sell.

 

Certainly Matt Carpenter was the Holy Grail Bloom missed out on, but given that Carpenter had spent all of 2020 and 2021 in steep decline and two MLB franchises released him in that timeframe, he did look more likely to be problem than solution.

 

It also didn’t help that Plan C, as in Casas, got hurt…

[Hugh2]

Deny, deny, deny. It’s not that Bloom was supposed to predict the future, or magically produce a bench handling injuries, but the fact that Kike sucked before his injury, and first base was a clown show, and Duran couldn’t track, or catch a fly ball how come he had to wait for the trade deadline to get a a legit 1B, and an adequate OF who he was negotiating with before the season started? If he can’t do a better job than that to me he needs to be replaced.

 

Why does everyone else always wait for the trade deadline? If Bloom is so dumb for doing so where is the plethora of big names moving in May and June every year? You’re getting mad for Bloom not doing what’s obviously not done for a reason. No other GM is looking to trade.

[Old Red]

Hey it’s tough to trade for players when no one else wants to, and the extra wild card might have postponed decisions to sell.

 

Certainly Matt Carpenter was the Holy Grail Bloom missed out on, but given that Carpenter had spent all of 2020 and 2021 in steep decline and two MLB franchises released him in that timeframe, he did look more likely to be problem than solution.

 

It also didn’t help that Plan C, as in Casas, got hurt…

Seems to me Seattle got a 1B. Once again Casas got hurt in May, and who’s to say he could handle it. Lots of speculation to me.May to Aug was to long a wait, and games were lost, because of the 1B play.

[Old Red]

Why does everyone else always wait for the trade deadline? If Bloom is so dumb for doing so where is the plethora of big names moving in May and June every year? You’re getting mad for Bloom not doing what’s obviously not done for a reason. No other GM is looking to trade.

There you go playing the name game (dumb). Bloom is just in over his head in Boston. Once again plenty of loyalty on here, but not on the outside.

[Hugh2]

And this whole “not building a bench” fallacy falls flat too. Your bench is not going to be as good as your starters.

 

If you had someone to match Chris Sales production he wouldn’t be starting in AAA, if you had someone as good as Story ready to take over 2nd you’d have switched his position or likely traded him for a need elsewhere.

 

You can have good backups, that can perform for a short period of time, but bench guys are bench guys for a reason. And to think the Sox should have a plan for when 1/2 their payroll goes down is just unreasonable.

 

The rebuttal I could care less about but for anyone else listening this might be a fun trivia ideal. What’s the most cash a MLB team has ever had on the DL in an MLB season. The Sox have had well over 100 million this year, more than some other MLB teams entire payrolls. That has to be a record or close to it.

[Hugh2]

There you go playing the name game (dumb). Bloom is just in over his head in Boston. Once again plenty of loyalty on here, but not on the outside.

 

Name game? Did I call you a name? Read my comment again.

 

I also noticed how you couldn’t answer a simple question.

[dgalehouse]

When the team is in last place on August 18 , the GM is going to get criticized whether you like it or not.