Fire Bloom .

[JDavis76]

"Having to trade" involved giving up Diekman, who most felt should have been DFA'd.

 

McGuire also has 2 more years of team control and is apparently a better defensive/staff handler catcher. Granted, he is a step down, but only for 2 months.

 

Pham has already looked like a plus. although not enough to translate into any wins. (He also has one more year of control as an option.)

 

Hosmer filled the need at 1B, even if he ends up not fulfilling all his years of team control remaining at the min salary cost.

 

I have to think all the trades combined keep us even or better in 2022- not that it matters, while improving the future with the 3 guys above plus the 2 rising prospects we got for Vaz.

 

The deadline was certainly unspectacular, but it seems going all in would have been a disaster, and going full fire sale would have pissed off the fans that are bashing the Sox and Sox management, anyway.

 

Tough spot for Bloom to be in, but not unexpected.

 

 

Meanwhile, back in reality, in mcguire's starts the sox have yielded 6, 4, 13, 8 runs.

 

Seems to be the only staff he handles better is not the sox but his own.

[notin]

I agree.. Where will it end?

 

24th wild card at the latest…

[Old Red]

"Having to trade" involved giving up Diekman, who most felt should have been DFA'd.

 

McGuire also has 2 more years of team control and is apparently a better defensive/staff handler catcher. Granted, he is a step down, but only for 2 months.

 

Pham has already looked like a plus. although not enough to translate into any wins. (He also has one more year of control as an option.)

 

Hosmer filled the need at 1B, even if he ends up not fulfilling all his years of team control remaining at the min salary cost.

 

I have to think all the trades combined keep us even or better in 2022- not that it matters, while improving the future with the 3 guys above plus the 2 rising prospects we got for Vaz.

 

The deadline was certainly unspectacular, but it seems going all in would have been a disaster, and going full fire sale would have pissed off the fans that are bashing the Sox and Sox management, anyway.

 

Tough spot for Bloom to be in, but not unexpected.

 

Pissing, and bashing is what happens when you are a team with a $200M+ payroll and are sitting in last place do I have to remind again 6 games in the L column behind the O’s. Streakman was a bad 2 yr signing to begin with, and McGuire is nothing more than a backup so whoppee on 2 yr control. Pham is a plus, but should have been here back in April. Hosmer is only here, because he was pretty much given to the Sox, and not like Bloom actually went out, and got a well needed 1B. If not for the give away chances are Bobby D, and Franchy strangeglove would still be managing 1B, so once again I agree with you that Bloom messed up all the way around.

[JDavis76]

You really need to dial it back with the personal stuff.

 

You really need to point out when others do it and take your focus off me, hypocrite.

[Old Red]

From Bobe...

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Lets look at what Bloom has done, he traded Benintendi and has had no real return...

 

Wrong: Beni's team control ends this winter. We got Winckowski and 3 other prospects who have yet to had a big chance to prove themselves. The money saved allowed us to sign Renfroe, who already evened out the Beni trade with his one year of value in 2021.

 

Betts he got average outfielder and two minor leaguers that may never make it to bigs.

 

We also dumped half of price's contract, which was essential for cutting the budget for 2020. That's not on Bloom. Reports show not many better offers were on the table, but one could also argue 4 years of Verdugo equaled 1 short season from Betts.

 

He let Bradley walk then traded Renfroe a good outfielder 30 Hr and gun for an arm, for Bradley and a couple minor leaguers

 

A real head-scratcher, for sure.

 

last winter he hired a group of older pitchers most past their prime or coming off an injury

 

That's what we should expect when a GM is handed $40M to fill 10 gaping holes in the roster.

 

now he has traded Vasquez and got two minor leaguers

 

2 months of a catcher on a team going nowhere for two prospects on the rise

 

then had to trade a relief pitcher to get a catcher, now the bull pen is short handed

 

Are you serious about thinking Diekman will be missed? He should have been DFA'd weeks, if not months ago.

 

if Bloom doesn’t sign Bogaerts I doubt he will sign Devers, I doubt Devers will stay without Xander there.

 

Speculation, but if he doesn't sign Bogey but replaces him in kind, what's the beef?

 

So in summation he got rid of Benintendi, Betts, Vasquez, JBJ twice , Renfroe, and made no effort to sign Schwarber and possibly Bogaerts and Devers. My question is are any of the players he got better than the players he got rid of, it doesn’t look like it to me.

 

Don't forget, he signed Renfroe in the first place, with the money saved in the Beni trade. You left out his additions of Pivetta, Whitlock, Schreiber, Refsnyder, Kike, Wacha, Strahm and Arroyo, who have all earned their keep and then some.

 

It's easy to just list the bad moves and act like that's all of them.

Spin, spin, spin from the Bloom Spinners.

[Bellhorn04]

You really need to point out when others do it and take your focus off me, hypocrite.

 

Well, you're the one with a vendetta against another poster, one who has you on ignore and says nothing about you.

[JDavis76]

Well, you're the one with a vendetta against another poster, one who has you on ignore and says nothing about you.

 

Well, that's a lie, as he has repeatedly said things about me.

 

And where are you calling out splendid splinter who constantly says derogatory things about me? All I see is crickets from you at that point.

 

As I said, you are a hypocrite.

[notin]

Spin, spin, spin from the Bloom Spinners.

 

From the guy who gets cranky when someone criticizes his opinion…

[Old Red]

From the guy who gets cranky when someone criticizes his opinion…

 

I’m not cranky, but just agree to disagree. The hilarious part is that no one is buying what the spinners, are spinning, or cooking outside of the Spinners themselves when it comes to Bloom, but I do give them an A for effort, and Loyalty.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Old Red

[notin]

I’m not cranky, but just agree to disagree.

 

 

Calling someone’s point by point rebuttal isn’t “agreeing to disagree”…

[Old Red]

Calling someone’s point by point rebuttal isn’t “agreeing to disagree”…

 

If we have different opinions on anything like you, and me have I ever said you were wrong?

[Old Red]

Well, you're the one with a vendetta against another poster, one who has you on ignore and says nothing about you.

 

Has anyone outside of MVP on here put Moon on ignore before?

[JDavis76]

Has anyone outside of MVP on here put Moon on ignore before?

 

I have never put anyone on ignore, it's a chatroom, how bad can it be?

 

But, then again, I never needed a puppy, a pizza and a safe space either.....

[notin]

, then again, I never needed a puppy, a pizza …. either.....

 

So… you’re not human…

[Bellhorn04]

Well, that's a lie, as he has repeatedly said things about me.

 

And where are you calling out splendid splinter who constantly says derogatory things about me? All I see is crickets from you at that point.

 

As I said, you are a hypocrite.

 

When was the last time moon said anything specifically about you? If you can find anything in the last week I'll admit I'm wrong.

[MADSTORK]

"Having to trade" involved giving up Diekman, who most felt should have been DFA'd.

 

McGuire also has 2 more years of team control and is apparently a better defensive/staff handler catcher. Granted, he is a step down, but only for 2 months.

 

Pham has already looked like a plus. although not enough to translate into any wins. (He also has one more year of control as an option.)

 

Hosmer filled the need at 1B, even if he ends up not fulfilling all his years of team control remaining at the min salary cost.

 

I have to think all the trades combined keep us even or better in 2022- not that it matters, while improving the future with the 3 guys above plus the 2 rising prospects we got for Vaz.

 

The deadline was certainly unspectacular, but it seems going all in would have been a disaster, and going full fire sale would have pissed off the fans that are bashing the Sox and Sox management, anyway.

 

Tough spot for Bloom to be in, but not unexpected.

 

 

 

Bloom is this you?

 

Pham can play quality 4th OF

Hosmer is a Beer Leaguer, it was good move only if you could have flipped him for a prospect during deadline or the thinking is he will opt in and cheap money nets you a prospect in off-season. At the moment the beer leaguer is blocking Casas who deserves a call up and that is the bigger ? If Casas is the future why this clown?

 

2 rising prospects for Vazquez? Abreu caught my attention but the other stiff was to old for the level and can’t play D

 

Playoff or no playoff Evoldi and Martinez should have been dealt! Now if reports were correct and Bloom was asking for to much then He made a mistake.

 

The return on trades is mind boggling since it’s always an older prospect to old for the level the player is in

 

It’s a f###ing train wreck since DD was let go and Betts was traded

 

You cannot deny that fact!

[Old Red]

Bloom is this you?

 

Pham can play quality 4th OF

Hosmer is a Beer Leaguer, it was good move only if you could have flipped him for a prospect during deadline or the thinking is he will opt in and cheap money nets you a prospect in off-season. At the moment the beer leaguer is blocking Casas who deserves a call up and that is the bigger ? If Casas is the future why this clown?

 

2 rising prospects for Vazquez? Abreu caught my attention but the other stiff was to old for the level and can’t play D

 

Playoff or no playoff Evoldi and Martinez should have been dealt! Now if reports were correct and Bloom was asking for to much then He made a mistake.

 

The return on trades is mind boggling since it’s always an older prospect to old for the level the player is in

 

It’s a f###ing train wreck since DD was let go and Betts was traded

 

You cannot deny that fact!

 

Watch the spin he’ll spin.

[JDavis76]

When was the last time moon said anything specifically about you? If you can find anything in the last week I'll admit I'm wrong.

 

I don't know, I don't keep a special log accounting for each time he has.

 

Bottom line is he has plenty of times.

 

And, again, why are you silent when others do it and then single me out?

 

Like I said, you're a hypocrite.

[Bellhorn04]

Watch the spin he’ll spin.

 

I can't even understand half of what STORK says. Can you decipher what he said about the prospects we got from Houston?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I can't even understand half of what STORK says. Can you decipher what he said about the prospects we got from Houston?

 

Something about rising stiff levels; prob confused them with the guy they got for Diekman...

[JDavis76]

something about rising stiff levels; prob confused them with the guy they got for diekman...

 

lol!

[Old Red]

I can't even understand half of what STORK says. Can you decipher what he said about the prospects we got from Houston?

 

Yes.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes.

 

So you agree that Valdez is too old for his level?

[moonslav59]

I can't even understand half of what STORK says. Can you decipher what he said about the prospects we got from Houston?

 

I'm thinking the 2 guys we got for Vaz look promising. Valdez seems like a hitter (DH?) and Abreu has upside. They are both having good years and are 23. I think both have been over .800 the last 2 years.

 

I'm not sure what anyone expected for 2 months of Vaz...someone who is being used as a back-up catcher, here in HOU (3 games started since trade.)

 

[moonslav59]

So you agree that Valdez is too old for his level?

 

Valdez (23 y/o)

.854 in A+ 2021

.880 AA '21

1.112 AA '22

.909 AAA '22

 

I'm not saying these numbers will translate to MLB well, or not, but I'm not sure what more should be expected, except decent fielding. The guy will probably DH or play 1B. He's not a blue chipper, but I did not expect one.

 

Abreu (just turned 23)

.740 A '19

.857 A+ '21

.858 AA '22

Sox prospects sees him maybe average on D at corner OF, eventually.

 

Maybe these two end up like Binelas & Hamilton- maybe not.

 

All I said was "rising prospects", since they are doing better and rose up in the Astros system rankings over the last 2 years. I never promised All Stars.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm thinking the 2 guys we got for Vaz look promising. Valdez seems like a hitter (DH?) and Abreu has upside. They are both having good years and are 23. I think both have been over .800 the last 2 years.

 

I'm not sure what anyone expected for 2 months of Vaz...someone who is being used as a back-up catcher, here in HOU (3 games started since trade.)

 

 

But Vaz was the team leader! He led them to an 8-19 record the last month before he was traded.

[notin]

So you agree that Valdez is too old for his level?

 

Stork always adds 2 years to every Sox prospect’s age. No idea why. Maybe just trying to remove doubts about his adding ability?

[notin]

So you agree that Valdez is too old for his level?

 

And Enmanuel Valdez is 23, making him nearly 3 1/2 years younger than the average age of the players in the International League…

[Old Red]

So you agree that Valdez is too old for his level?

 

I only said I could decipher what he was saying.

[Old Red]

But Vaz was the team leader! He led them to an 8-19 record the last month before he was traded.

 

What is the Red Sox record since Vaz was traded? You can’t blame 3-6 on his play calling, so it must be the 2 backup catchers the Red Sox are using, and their play calling.