Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

"Selfish desires" I guess it is a mortal sin to want your team to win according to high priest Moon.

 

You guessed wrong, but that's nothing new.

 

I do believe patience is a virtue, and I don't have to be a priest to think that, but believe what you will, and keep on bitching because the miracle has not come quick enough.

 

[Old Red]

IMO, partially, yes. The owners can ignore them, at their own peril, and it's certainly on them, too, but yes, selfish impatient fans hurt this team's long term future by expecting a miracle and then pouting and crying and bitching when they did not get it.

 

There is not enough cheese in the world to go with this WHINE. The bad part is he honestly thinks the fans are more responsible for the Red Sox clown show than Bloom.

[Old Red]

You guessed wrong, but that's nothing new.

 

I do believe patience is a virtue, and I don't have to be a priest to think that, but believe what you will, and keep on bitching because the miracle has not come quick enough.

 

 

Bitching? It would be a miracle if Bloom had anything to do with winning, so I agree with you.

[Bellhorn04]

IMO, partially, yes. The owners can ignore them, at their own peril, and it's certainly on them, too, but yes, selfish impatient fans hurt this team's long term future by expecting a miracle and then pouting and crying and bitching when they did not get it.

 

But aren't you now complaining because there wasn't a fire sale?

[Old Red]

But aren't you now complaining because there wasn't a fire sale?

 

He’s like Pepe Le Pew. He doesn’t smell his own stink.

[JDavis76]

But aren't you now complaining because there wasn't a fire sale?

 

As usual, he's full of moonslop......

[Old Red]

As usual, he's full of moonslop......

 

MJ invented the Moon Walk, and now we have the MoonSlop. At least he’s good at it.

[Elktonnick]

You guessed wrong, but that's nothing new.

 

I do believe patience is a virtue, and I don't have to be a priest to think that, but believe what you will, and keep on bitching because the miracle has not come quick enough.

 

 

I am not waiting for miracles but just a return to some level of competence. The majority of Bloom's acquisitions since he has come to Boston cause a proverbial horde of fans and baseall writers to question Bloom's competence.

[notin]

Obviously , we are not in on any of the negotiations. We can only guess. But Mookie is quoted as saying that he would have stayed in Boston if the Sox matched the Dodgers' offer. You can believe that or not believe it.

 

Mookie did say that 3 years later. But then he didn’t even take the Dodgers’ offer until two months worth of games had been cancelled.

 

The Sox offered Mookie $300mill for 10 years. Same ASV. Two less years. At the very least, id call that a solid effort for Dombrowski to retain him.

 

 

And when he couldn’t, Dombrowski instead signed Bogaerts to a great contract and Sale to a disastrous one. Basically spending the cash earmarked for Mookie…

[notin]

I heard the podcast he did with Rob Bradford when he said that. Like I said earlier I believe the $300M offer was done knowing he wouldn’t take it, and then they can say they tried, which they did.

 

So you’re saying Mookie was going to be impossible to sign?

[Old Red]

So you’re saying Mookie was going to be impossible to sign?

 

If the final offer was $300M yes.

[moonslav59]

I am not waiting for miracles but just a return to some level of competence. The majority of Bloom's acquisitions since he has come to Boston cause a proverbial horde of fans and baseall writers to question Bloom's competence.

 

Are you counting the 2020 additions, when he had to cut the budget by 10's of millions?

 

Are you counting 2021, when he had about $40M to fill 10 slots? You expect $4M signings x 10 to lead us to the playoffs?

 

Yes, this past winter was different, but who are you counting as the "majority?" Mazza, Springs, Andriese, Marwin...?

 

Of course most have not done well, but when you pay most of them $800K to $3M, you get what you pay for more often than not.

 

Guys like Kike, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and a few others probably barely earned their pay. Ottavino, Richards, Perez I, Perez II, Sawamura (paid peanuts) and others probably not.

 

Story has started out on the negative side. The JBJ trade was a disaster. The Beni-Wink & others is still undecided.

 

The pluses: Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree, Whitlock, Renfroe signing, Schwarber, Iggy, Shaw I, Robles I, Davis, Refsnyder, Schreiber. Barely pluses: Arroyo (waivers).

 

In terms of quantity, most have failed, but when you look at the trades and the players costing more than $3-4M, I'm not sure it's a majority failures.

 

[Elktonnick]

The Rays have something we don't and can't match for young players.....Kevin Cash

 

Are you counting the 2020 additions, when he had to cut the budget by 10's of millions?

 

Are you counting 2021, when he had about $40M to fill 10 slots? You expect $4M signings x 10 to lead us to the playoffs?

 

Yes, this past winter was different, but who are you counting as the "majority?" Mazza, Springs, Andriese, Marwin...?

 

Of course most have not done well, but when you pay most of them $800K to $3M, you get what you pay for more often than not.

 

Guys like Kike, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and a few others probably barely earned their pay. Ottavino, Richards, Perez I, Perez II, Sawamura (paid peanuts) and others probably not.

 

Story has started out on the negative side. The JBJ trade was a disaster. The Beni-Wink & others is still undecided.

 

The pluses: Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree, Whitlock, Renfroe signing, Schwarber, Iggy, Shaw I, Robles I, Davis, Refsnyder, Schreiber. Barely pluses: Arroyo (waivers).

 

In terms of quantity, most have failed, but when you look at the trades and the players costing more than $3-4M, I'm not sure it's a majority failures.

 

Most of his acquisitions suck. When you dumpster dive most of what you pick is garbage.

[JDavis76]

Are you counting the 2020 additions, when he had to cut the budget by 10's of millions?

 

Are you counting 2021, when he had about $40M to fill 10 slots? You expect $4M signings x 10 to lead us to the playoffs?

 

Yes, this past winter was different, but who are you counting as the "majority?" Mazza, Springs, Andriese, Marwin...?

 

Of course most have not done well, but when you pay most of them $800K to $3M, you get what you pay for more often than not.

 

Guys like Kike, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and a few others probably barely earned their pay. Ottavino, Richards, Perez I, Perez II, Sawamura (paid peanuts) and others probably not.

 

Story has started out on the negative side. The JBJ trade was a disaster. The Beni-Wink & others is still undecided.

 

The pluses: Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree, Whitlock, Renfroe signing, Schwarber, Iggy, Shaw I, Robles I, Davis, Refsnyder, Schreiber. Barely pluses: Arroyo (waivers).

 

In terms of quantity, most have failed, but when you look at the trades and the players costing more than $3-4M, I'm not sure it's a majority failures.

 

 

More moonslop......

[Old Red]

Most of his acquisitions suck. When you dumpster dive most of what you pick is garbage.

 

Bloom is using the Red Sox like the Instructional League. Teaching Duran how to track, and catch butterflies I mean fly balls. Teaching Franchy how to play 1B, and D Hern how to pitch. Nothing like on the job training.

[Old Red]

Eck talking on the game tonight on how having a Bad Bullpen just crushes the team. He was talking to you Bloom, and yes I consider the source who’s forgotten more about a BP than Bloom will ever know. Edited August 11, 2022 by Old Red

[Elktonnick]

Eck talking on the game tonight on how having a Bad Bullpen just crushes the team. He was talking to you Bloom, and yes I consider the source who’s forgotten more about a BP than Bloom will ever know.

Watching the Braves tonight really shows how far the Sox have to go.

[moonslav59]

Most of his acquisitions suck. When you dumpster dive most of what you pick is garbage.

 

What GM is great at getting the majority of his additions as pluses, when forced to spend under $2-3M on the vast majority of additions?

 

It's like you are blaming Bloom for setting the budget.

 

Yes, he made quite a few moves that failed, and some ate up too much of the tight budget he was give up, but IMO, most of his additions when spending more than $2-3M have been plus. He's also made a few under-the radar pick-ups that worked, but certainly much less than I expected, given his back ground with the Rays.

 

He's not undeserving of criticism, and I've scratched my head at several of his bigger deals, but to hold his dumpster dives against him, when he was basically forced to go diving, is not very fair, IMO.

[MADSTORK]

Orlando the Dumpster Diver continues with 2 more beer league pitchers signed! A 33 year old and a 27 year old garbage arm, priceless!

 

Orlando needs to grab his b@lls and release Dalbec call up Casas who has hit well after injury

Release a bullpen arm and see what German has?

Phantom DL a SP and give Mata a shot see what you got

 

The Circus continues over at Frankie Valli drive!

[MADSTORK]

Are you counting the 2020 additions, when he had to cut the budget by 10's of millions?

 

Are you counting 2021, when he had about $40M to fill 10 slots? You expect $4M signings x 10 to lead us to the playoffs?

 

Yes, this past winter was different, but who are you counting as the "majority?" Mazza, Springs, Andriese, Marwin...?

 

Of course most have not done well, but when you pay most of them $800K to $3M, you get what you pay for more often than not.

 

Guys like Kike, Wacha, Hill, Strahm and a few others probably barely earned their pay. Ottavino, Richards, Perez I, Perez II, Sawamura (paid peanuts) and others probably not.

 

Story has started out on the negative side. The JBJ trade was a disaster. The Beni-Wink & others is still undecided.

 

The pluses: Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree, Whitlock, Renfroe signing, Schwarber, Iggy, Shaw I, Robles I, Davis, Refsnyder, Schreiber. Barely pluses: Arroyo (waivers).

 

In terms of quantity, most have failed, but when you look at the trades and the players costing more than $3-4M, I'm not sure it's a majority failures.

 

 

 

Again, enough of the payroll cutting bullish!t!

If you think for a second Boston has a budget your delusional!

Yes, Ownership might set a budget but when your making an estimated $500 million plus gross since 2015 (excluding 2020) I’m sure Henry isn’t worried about paying his light bill!

 

The bottom line is this, Orlando is an incompetent GM or whatever his title was or is this week

 

All the guy had to do was find a 1B and Closer for 22 and roll with it! Jansen was available that should have been the #1 target not Storyland !

 

Injuries are part of the game. When injury occurred to CF 2B and SP that’s when you start looking at your ML system and the trade market for help

 

Orlando put this team behind the 8 ball before the season ever started and should be fired because of it!

 

Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed!

[Old Red]

What GM is great at getting the majority of his additions as pluses, when forced to spend under $2-3M on the vast majority of additions?

 

It's like you are blaming Bloom for setting the budget.

 

Yes, he made quite a few moves that failed, and some ate up too much of the tight budget he was give up, but IMO, most of his additions when spending more than $2-3M have been plus. He's also made a few under-the radar pick-ups that worked, but certainly much less than I expected, given his back ground with the Rays.

 

He's not undeserving of criticism, and I've scratched my head at several of his bigger deals, but to hold his dumpster dives against him, when he was basically forced to go diving, is not very fair, IMO.

 

For all the we got Cora, and we got Bloom fans in attendance. Div, and wild card standings update. Very simple 6 games back in the L colum. 3-6 since the trade deadline. One game at a time, and further back they go. Glad that Bloom pep talk after the Vaz trade has worked out so well. Bottom line. We got Cora, and we got Bloom, which adds up to lots of Gloom, and Doom. Not to mention DHern, and his 21.60 ERA that they continue to use. They have to tanking don’t they? They can’t be this incompetent, or can they?

Edited August 11, 2022 by Old Red

[Hitch]

https://linktr.ee/ITMpod

 

Inside the Monster interview Chaim Bloom.

 

Good listen.

[Bellhorn04]

Again, enough of the payroll cutting bullish!t!

If you think for a second Boston has a budget your delusional!

Yes, Ownership might set a budget but when your making an estimated $500 million plus gross since 2015 (excluding 2020) I’m sure Henry isn’t worried about paying his light bill!

 

Well, if ownership does set a budget, I guess thinking that there's a budget isn't delusional...

 

Nice logic there, STORK.

[JDavis76]

Well, if ownership does set a budget, I guess thinking that there's a budget isn't delusional...

 

Nice logic there, STORK.

 

I don't believe that "logic" and "STORK" should ever be used in the same sentence....

[notin]

Well, if ownership does set a budget, I guess thinking that there's a budget isn't delusional...

 

Nice logic there, STORK.

 

He’s just angry because the Yankees are no longer the best team in New York…

[JDavis76]

He’s just angry because the Yankees are no longer the best team in New York…

 

The mets play in an easier division than the Yanks.

 

The NL East has 2 sub .500 teams while the AL East only has one s***** team, the sox.

[Bellhorn04]

The mets play in an easier division than the Yanks.

 

The NL East has 2 sub .500 teams while the AL East only has one s***** team, the sox.

 

All true, but the Mets are trending a lot better.

[oldtimer]

The mets play in an easier division than the Yanks.

 

The NL East has 2 sub .500 teams while the AL East only has one s***** team, the sox.

 

The Yankees either hit home runs or go bust. Against the better pitching they have not done well. Save your BS for evaluating your own team.

[JDavis76]

All true, but the Mets are trending a lot better.

 

They have been playing well, and facing them in the postseason with scherzer & degrom going in a series will be tough for any team, a la the 2001 diamondbacks.

[JDavis76]

The Yankees either hit home runs or go bust. Against the better pitching they have not done well. Save your BS for evaluating your own team.

 

What part of what I stated was BS?

 

Is the NL East not an easier division than the AL East?

 

And the Yanks are certainly not as much of a "HR or bust" offense as they have been in the past, despite the recent slump.