Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Well, if ownership does set a budget, I guess thinking that there's a budget isn't delusional...

 

Nice logic there, STORK.

 

Yearly new spending limits are a big part of Bloom's choices, like it or not, and certainly Bloom was highly restricted year one.

 

FACT: In year one,we cut the budget by tens of millions. (We traded Betts and force salary-dump Price in on the deal. We did not replace their salaries in kind.) That was not Bloom's choice.

 

FACT: Year tow, we spent about $40M, which seems like a lot, but only 1 deal was longer than 1 year (Kike for 2) and that $40M had to fill 10 slots. That equates to forced dumpster diving.

 

Year 3, it appeared there was another limit, until the Story signing: Bloom's only semi-large and long contract.

[JDavis76]

Yearly new spending limits are a big part of Bloom's choices, like it or not, and certainly Bloom was highly restricted year one.

 

FACT: In year one,we cut the budget by tens of millions. (We traded Betts and force salary-dump Price in on the deal. We did not replace their salaries in kind.) That was not Bloom's choice.

 

FACT: Year tow, we spent about $40M, which seems like a lot, but only 1 deal was longer than 1 year (Kike for 2) and that $40M had to fill 10 slots. That equates to forced dumpster diving.

 

Year 3, it appeared there was another limit, until the Story signing: Bloom's only semi-large and long contract.

 

So basically you are saying that there is a limit until there isn't. Got it.

 

More moonslop..........

[Old Red]

Sean McDonough doing the game last night said Duran doesn’t deserve to be in a Major League uniform right now. Just another example to me that Bloom is calling the shots, and why this Circus is staying in town to long, and needs to be canceled. O’s in town tonight, and it’s the Red Sox sitting at the kid’s table. How embarrassing is that? Bloom’s talent show is 6 games behind in the L column.

[notin]

Sean McDonough doing the game last night said Duran doesn’t deserve to be in a Major League uniform right now. Just another example to me that Bloom is calling the shots, and why this Circus is staying in town to long, and needs to be canceled. O’s in town tonight, and it’s the Red Sox sitting at the kid’s table. How embarrassing is that? Bloom’s talent show is 6 games behind in the L column.

 

Duran probably wouldn’t be playing if they had other options.

 

Or if they kept JBJ…

[Old Red]

Duran probably wouldn’t be playing if they had other options.

 

Or if they kept JBJ…

 

If there is no better OF who can at least track, and catch a fly ball then the Red Sox are not a major league organization, and JBJ should have been kept. Duran should not be ANY Part of the Red Sox future.

[JDavis76]

If there is no better OF who can at least track, and catch a fly ball then the Red Sox are not a major league organization, and JBJ should have been kept. Duran should not be ANY Part of the Red Sox future.

 

They both suck

[dgalehouse]

All true, but the Mets are trending a lot better.

 

I would say the Dodgers , Mets , Yankees and Astros are looking like this year's final four. Maybe the Padres could make it. If I had to put money on who wins it all , it would be the Mets.

[notin]

If there is no better OF who can at least track, and catch a fly ball then the Red Sox are not a major league organization, and JBJ should have been kept. Duran should not be ANY Part of the Red Sox future.

 

I’m actually wondering why not try Franchy in CF. He has 344 MLB innings spread out over a few seasons, so the metrics are useless. But unlike Duran, he can track a flyball and his offense is probably better.

 

He was a flop at 1b, but he might be ok in CF…

[moonslav59]

I’m actually wondering why not try Franchy in CF. He has 344 MLB innings spread out over a few seasons, so the metrics are useless. But unlike Duran, he can track a flyball and his offense is probably better.

 

He was a flop at 1b, but he might be ok in CF…

 

At this point, give the guy a few weeks to get a better read on his hit tool. He should not end up being anyone's CF'er, but he's probably better than Duran in CF.

[moonslav59]

I would say the Dodgers , Mets , Yankees and Astros are looking like this year's final four. Maybe the Padres could make it. If I had to put money on who wins it all , it would be the Mets.

 

I agree, but I'm thinking the Astros are a very close second.

[notin]

At this point, give the guy a few weeks to get a better read on his hit tool. He should not end up being anyone's CF'er, but he's probably better than Duran in CF.

 

From what I understand, Kike is starting a rehab stint soon. So a Duran/Franchy Death Match is probably not going to happen…

[Old Red]

At this point, give the guy a few weeks to get a better read on his hit tool. He should not end up being anyone's CF'er, but he's probably better than Duran in CF.

 

Really grasping at straws here to say Franchy is better than Duran, I’ll give Franchy the edge on D, but neither one can hit, and neither should be in any Red Sox future plans.

[Old Red]

From what I understand, Kike is starting a rehab stint soon. So a Duran/Franchy Death Match is probably not going to happen…

 

This season is pretty much over, so unless the Red Sox are planning on bringing Kike back next year outside of appeasing the pitching staff there isn’t much sense to put Kike back out in the OF.

[cukes]

I would say the Dodgers , Mets , Yankees and Astros are looking like this year's final four. Maybe the Padres could make it. If I had to put money on who wins it all , it would be the Mets.

 

I love the Mets as long as DeGrom stays healthy

[moonslav59]

I love the Mets as long as DeGrom stays healthy

 

So, you don't like them.

[Bobe2]

Lets look at what Bloom has done, he traded Benintendi and has had no real return, Betts he got average outfielder and two minor leaguers that may never make it to bigs, he let Bradley walk then traded Renfroe a good outfielder 30 Hr and gun for an arm, for Bradley and a couple minor leaguers, last winter he hired a group of older pitchers most past their prime or coming off an injury, now he has traded Vasquez and got two minor leaguers, then had to trade a relief pitcher to get a catcher, now the bull pen is short handed, if Bloom doesn’t sign Bogaerts I doubt he will sign Devers, I doubt Devers will stay without Xander there. So in summation he got rid of Benintendi, Betts, Vasquez, JBJ twice , Renfroe, and made no effort to sign Schwarber and possibly Bogaerts and Devers. My question is are any of the players he got better than the players he got rid of, it doesn’t look like it to me

[JDavis76]

So, you don't like them.

 

He's certainly more reliable than chris freakin' frail!!!

[Bobe2]

Don’t blame the fans for his trades they are still trying to make a wild card, he filled the outfield and first base holes and with the players coming back they are hoping to make the playoffs, his style on the cheap, that’s why no big spending or lots of trades, but I will say the Vasquez trade is kind of puzzling, especially having to trade for another catcher

[JDavis76]

This season is pretty much over, so unless the Red Sox are planning on bringing Kike back next year outside of appeasing the pitching staff there isn’t much sense to put Kike back out in the OF.

 

It seems like just yesterday that moon was chanting "1 game at a time" and giving us the daily wild card updates......

[JDavis76]

Don’t blame the fans for his trades they are still trying to make a wild card, he filled the outfield and first base holes and with the players coming back they are hoping to make the playoffs, his style on the cheap, that’s why no big spending or lots of trades, but I will say the Vasquez trade is kind of puzzling, especially having to trade for another catcher

 

Ha!

 

You fell for hang 'em chaim's post trade deadline conference hook, line and sinker!!

[Old Red]

Lets look at what Bloom has done, he traded Benintendi and has had no real return, Betts he got average outfielder and two minor leaguers that may never make it to bigs, he let Bradley walk then traded Renfroe a good outfielder 30 Hr and gun for an arm, for Bradley and a couple minor leaguers, last winter he hired a group of older pitchers most past their prime or coming off an injury, now he has traded Vasquez and got two minor leaguers, then had to trade a relief pitcher to get a catcher, now the bull pen is short handed, if Bloom doesn’t sign Bogaerts I doubt he will sign Devers, I doubt Devers will stay without Xander there. So in summation he got rid of Benintendi, Betts, Vasquez, JBJ twice , Renfroe, and made no effort to sign Schwarber and possibly Bogaerts and Devers. My question is are any of the players he got better than the players he got rid of, it doesn’t look like it to me

Good question, and I would like to hear the Bloom Spinners put a spin on this one.

[Old Red]

It seems like just yesterday that moon was chanting "1 game at a time" and giving us the daily wild card updates......

 

He bought into the fantasy month of June, but to carry the torch I have continued the daily wild card updates.

[JDavis76]

He bought into the fantasy month of June, but to carry the torch I have continued the daily wild card updates.

 

He's a full of crap hypocrite.......

[moonslav59]

Don’t blame the fans for his trades they are still trying to make a wild card, he filled the outfield and first base holes and with the players coming back they are hoping to make the playoffs, his style on the cheap, that’s why no big spending or lots of trades, but I will say the Vasquez trade is kind of puzzling, especially having to trade for another catcher

 

"Having to trade" involved giving up Diekman, who most felt should have been DFA'd.

 

McGuire also has 2 more years of team control and is apparently a better defensive/staff handler catcher. Granted, he is a step down, but only for 2 months.

 

Pham has already looked like a plus. although not enough to translate into any wins. (He also has one more year of control as an option.)

 

Hosmer filled the need at 1B, even if he ends up not fulfilling all his years of team control remaining at the min salary cost.

 

I have to think all the trades combined keep us even or better in 2022- not that it matters, while improving the future with the 3 guys above plus the 2 rising prospects we got for Vaz.

 

The deadline was certainly unspectacular, but it seems going all in would have been a disaster, and going full fire sale would have pissed off the fans that are bashing the Sox and Sox management, anyway.

 

Tough spot for Bloom to be in, but not unexpected.

 

[dgalehouse]

Even today , there is still a chance at the third wild card. But my feeling is that the third wild card is the cheapest of gimmicks. It gives an undeserving team a chance to get hot or lucky and win it all. A slim chance , but a chance nevertheless. It rakes in more money from the diehard fans. I despise this kind of stuff. One wild card is enough. To me , the third wild card is like hooking a small sunfish . Unless you are starving , you should throw it back.

[Bellhorn04]

Lets look at what Bloom has done, he traded Benintendi and has had no real return, Betts he got average outfielder and two minor leaguers that may never make it to bigs, he let Bradley walk then traded Renfroe a good outfielder 30 Hr and gun for an arm, for Bradley and a couple minor leaguers, last winter he hired a group of older pitchers most past their prime or coming off an injury, now he has traded Vasquez and got two minor leaguers, then had to trade a relief pitcher to get a catcher, now the bull pen is short handed, if Bloom doesn’t sign Bogaerts I doubt he will sign Devers, I doubt Devers will stay without Xander there. So in summation he got rid of Benintendi, Betts, Vasquez, JBJ twice , Renfroe, and made no effort to sign Schwarber and possibly Bogaerts and Devers. My question is are any of the players he got better than the players he got rid of, it doesn’t look like it to me

 

He got Winckowski for Benintendi. That could pay off.

[Bellhorn04]

Even today , there is still a chance at the third wild card. But my feeling is that the third wild card is the cheapest of gimmicks. It gives an undeserving team a chance to get hot or lucky and win it all. A slim chance , but a chance nevertheless. It rakes in more money from the diehard fans. I despise this kind of stuff. One wild card is enough. To me , the third wild card is like hooking a small sunfish . Unless you are starving , you should throw it back.

 

For me the gimmickry really started when they added the second wild card.

[moonslav59]

From Bobe...

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Lets look at what Bloom has done, he traded Benintendi and has had no real return...

 

Wrong: Beni's team control ends this winter. We got Winckowski and 3 other prospects who have yet to had a big chance to prove themselves. The money saved allowed us to sign Renfroe, who already evened out the Beni trade with his one year of value in 2021.

 

Betts he got average outfielder and two minor leaguers that may never make it to bigs.

 

We also dumped half of price's contract, which was essential for cutting the budget for 2020. That's not on Bloom. Reports show not many better offers were on the table, but one could also argue 4 years of Verdugo equaled 1 short season from Betts.

 

He let Bradley walk then traded Renfroe a good outfielder 30 Hr and gun for an arm, for Bradley and a couple minor leaguers

 

A real head-scratcher, for sure.

 

last winter he hired a group of older pitchers most past their prime or coming off an injury

 

That's what we should expect when a GM is handed $40M to fill 10 gaping holes in the roster.

 

now he has traded Vasquez and got two minor leaguers

 

2 months of a catcher on a team going nowhere for two prospects on the rise

 

then had to trade a relief pitcher to get a catcher, now the bull pen is short handed

 

Are you serious about thinking Diekman will be missed? He should have been DFA'd weeks, if not months ago.

 

if Bloom doesn’t sign Bogaerts I doubt he will sign Devers, I doubt Devers will stay without Xander there.

 

Speculation, but if he doesn't sign Bogey but replaces him in kind, what's the beef?

 

So in summation he got rid of Benintendi, Betts, Vasquez, JBJ twice , Renfroe, and made no effort to sign Schwarber and possibly Bogaerts and Devers. My question is are any of the players he got better than the players he got rid of, it doesn’t look like it to me.

 

Don't forget, he signed Renfroe in the first place, with the money saved in the Beni trade. You left out his additions of Pivetta, Whitlock, Schreiber, Refsnyder, Kike, Wacha, Strahm and Arroyo, who have all earned their keep and then some.

 

It's easy to just list the bad moves and act like that's all of them.

[dgalehouse]

For me the gimmickry really started when they added the second wild card.

 

I agree.. Where will it end?

[Bellhorn04]

He's a full of crap hypocrite.......

 

You really need to dial it back with the personal stuff.