Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

The Phillies are 34-19 since DD canned Girardi. It does look like he might be turning the team around a bit.

 

You could can Cora, but I think Bloom is making some of the decisions like putting Whitlock in the rotation, and for keeping Franchy, and Duran around so long. Bloom , and Cora have been at odds this season according to sources, and it’s very understood why.

[notin]

The difference shows up in the numbers.

 

The numbers of Dalbec-Duran-Downs-Franchy indicate they may not be major league players.

 

But you're right that the difference is not that big at this level.

 

 

There’s also the career factor. With Story, he’s definitely seen better seasons, but the best you can say about Dalbec and Duran is “they’ve had hot streaks on occasion.”

 

And certainly Coors has helped Story, but guess what park ranks second in hitter advantage?

[JDavis76]

A lot of that is the artificial stigma you’re putting on last place.

 

By virtue of being in last place, it becomes arguable that the Sox might have the toughest schedule among teams competing for the postseason, and will eventually play 76 games against teams within their division that are all over .500 (assuming Baltimore stays at that pace).

 

The Red Sox and the White Sox have similar payrolls and similar records, but only one of them gets to play 38 games (roughly 1/4 of their schedule) against the Tigers and Royals…

 

That's some quality moonslop right there.

 

Last place is last place no matter what spin you attempt to put on it. SMH......

[Old Red]

A lot of that is the artificial stigma you’re putting on last place.

 

By virtue of being in last place, it becomes arguable that the Sox might have the toughest schedule among teams competing for the postseason, and will eventually play 76 games against teams within their division that are all over .500 (assuming Baltimore stays at that pace).

 

The Red Sox and the White Sox have similar payrolls and similar records, but only one of them gets to play 38 games (roughly 1/4 of their schedule) against the Tigers and Royals…

So what you are saying is the Red Sox can’t beat the good teams, and only can beat the bad teams, who was also playing bad like the fantasy month of June, and Seattle, and the Angels were two examples. I agree then.

[dannycater]

The JBJR DFA while Hunter Renfroe 19 HR, 46 RBI, .806 OPS just more daggar in Bloom's plight as GM. One bad move after another.

[Elktonnick]

A lot of that is the artificial stigma you’re putting on last place.

 

By virtue of being in last place, it becomes arguable that the Sox might have the toughest schedule among teams competing for the postseason, and will eventually play 76 games against teams within their division that are all over .500 (assuming Baltimore stays at that pace).

 

The Red Sox and the White Sox have similar payrolls and similar records, but only one of them gets to play 38 games (roughly 1/4 of their schedule) against the Tigers and Royals…

Pure sophistry

[iortiz]

The JBJR DFA while Hunter Renfroe 19 HR, 46 RBI, .806 OPS just more daggar in Bloom's plight as GM. One bad move after another.

 

Bloom s*** the bed big in there, no excuses.

[Old Red]

The JBJR DFA while Hunter Renfroe 19 HR, 46 RBI, .806 OPS just more daggar in Bloom's plight as GM. One bad move after another.

 

I’m out on many different venues, and only on here do I hear any kind of praise for Bloom. Johnny from Burger King, the water cooler, and the gym are festering with Disdain for Bloom. They all can’t be wrong.

[moonslav59]

The JBJR DFA while Hunter Renfroe 19 HR, 46 RBI, .806 OPS just more daggar in Bloom's plight as GM. One bad move after another.

 

You act like every move was bad.

 

Whitlock

Schrieber

Refsnyder

Kike '21

Strahm

Wacha- already worth $7M

Pivetta

(I'm probably missing some)

 

The jury is still out on the Beni, Ottavino and even the JBJ & 1 year of Betts deals as the prospects might do well.

[moonslav59]

Bloom s*** the bed big in there, no excuses.

 

None, unless a prospect does well, yes.

[Elktonnick]

I’m out on many different venues, and only on here do I hear any kind of praise for Bloom. Johnny from Burger King, the water cooler, and the gym are festering with Disdain for Bloom. They all can’t be wrong.

Agreed. This site is the only one that is unabashed pro Bloom.

[Bellhorn04]

Agreed. This site is the only one that is unabashed pro Bloom.

 

Um, did you notice the title of the thread we're posting on?

 

I don't see any thread titled "Bloom Rules"...

[Old Red]

Agreed. This site is the only one that is unabashed pro Bloom.

 

Relatives?

[Old Red]

Um, did you notice the title of the thread we're posting on?

 

I don't see any thread titled "Bloom Rules"...

 

It certainly wasn’t started by one of his in Bloom we trust, and he knows what he’s doing group. See I didn’t say supporters.

[Elktonnick]

Um, did you notice the title of the thread we're posting on?

 

I don't see any thread titled "Bloom Rules"...

For the record I am a Bloom agnostic. I am neither for nor against him. That being said the prevailing opinion here is very pro Bloom. That is neither a good nor bad thing but just the way it is. Also there those who take great umbrage at those critical of Bloom's moves which I think most fair minded folks would say are inconsistent at best.

[dgalehouse]

For the record I am a Bloom agnostic. I am neither for nor against him. That being said the prevailing opinion here is very pro Bloom. That is neither a good nor bad thing but just the way it is. Also there those who take great umbrage at those critical of Bloom's moves which I think most fair minded folks would say are inconsistent at best.

 

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

[Elktonnick]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

There is no almost about it. They do take criticism of Bloom as personal.

[Old Red]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

One reasoning could be relatives, but outside of that it is hard to figure. John Henry does have rabbit ears, so maybe he has a few aliases.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

 

... not for someone working for the PR dept.

[Bellhorn04]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific.

 

Yeah, like Old Red and some of the other bashers aren't prolific.

[mvp 78]

There is no almost about it. They do take criticism of Bloom as personal.

 

Who takes criticism of Bloom personally?

[Old Red]

Yeah, like Old Red and some of the other bashers aren't prolific.

 

Just like the Millions, and Millions of Rock’s fans.

[JDavis76]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

 

Spot on!

[Bellhorn04]

Who takes criticism of Bloom personally?

 

Crickets.

[mvp 78]

Crickets.

 

I guess there's just a lot of people on here who can't deal with opposing opinions and just want to take potshots without dealing with people directly.

[Elktonnick]

I guess there's just a lot of people on here who can't deal with opposing opinions and just want to take potshots without dealing with people directly.

Pot calling kettle black.

[Old Red]

I guess there's just a lot of people on here who can't deal with opposing opinions and just want to take potshots without dealing with people directly.

 

Like I have said many times on here let’s just agree to disagree, buts that’s not good enough for some. Like Rocky said if I can change, and you can change, we all can change.

[notin]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

 

 

Do you ever talk baseball anymore or just dwell endlessly on the fact that others have different viewpoints?

[moonslav59]

Who takes criticism of Bloom personally?

 

Who takes explaining, adding context or defending certain moves by Bloom personally?

 

I can name names on this Q.

[Maxbialystock]

It's only a few posters, but they are very prolific. They almost take any criticism of Bloom personally. I have never seen such blind loyalty shown to any GM, manager or player. It is strange. They are very willing to throw anyone under the proverbial bus to defend Bloom. The Sox performance during his tenure so far does not warrant any praise or loyalty. It's just odd.

 

I guess you mean me (among others). Here's another version of why I defend Bloom--

 

1. His stewardship of the Rays, who still are the best franchise in MLB at finding and developing skilled players who can win in the toughest division in MLB while spending the lowest amount per win. He was an innovator.

 

2. His system--the one he developed over a period of 11 years. In 2008 he took over all aspects of the Rays' minor league systems, including player evaluation and assignments, expansions of video, strength and conditioning, mental skill initiatives. Chaim Bloom wrote the "Ray's Way" player development manual. I would be remiss if I didn't point out that in 2008 the Rays went to the World Series, so it's clear Chaim Bloom wasn't the only architect of their success.

 

3. The fact that the Rays have been especially good at developing good pitching, the exact thing the Sox have been horrible at.

 

4. The challenge of trying to bridge the immense gap between the Sox way of doing things and the "Ray's Way." For example, DD was hugely successful in creating the 2018 Sox juggernaut (the best Sox team ever) because he basically could buy the missing pieces, which pretty much was the pitching staff, so he went out and bought Price, Sale, Porcello, and Kimbrel. I think John Henry hired Bloom because he wanted a better system for developing players vs. buying them. He has already demonstrated a reluctance to re-sign Manny Ramirez, Jon Lester, Mookie Betts, maybe Bogey and Devers, and probably some others I've forgotten.

 

5. Most of the criticism of Bloom is on specific acquisitions (and non-retentions), which I regard as missing the point even though I myself didn't like losing Renfroe and Schwarber and Iglesias from last year's team, didn't like bringing JBJ back, didn't like how the Barnes caper turned out, etc.

 

6. The view that DD, all by himself and after inheriting a team that had absolutely no talent, singlehandedly assembled the greatest Sox team ever--most of which is bs. He did fix the pitching simply by spending megabucks for it. However, that exact same team won 22 fewer games the very next year and was even worse in 2020, not because Chaim Bloom took over, but because DD's stewardship had been so lousy.

 

7. Bloom's first real season, 2021, was a huge success, despite the truncated Sale season (and his lousy performance in the postseason) and the departures of Kimbrel, Price, and Betts. Unlike DD's first two seasons, 2016 and 2017, the 2021 Sox knew how to win in the postseason--although I hasten to add that, while Bloom did a good job putting it together, DD was the guy who hired Alex Cora.

 

8. I agree this year has been a mess. I think it's because of all of the injuries, but there is also the question of whether the system that Bloom developed so brilliantly for the Rays will work for the Sox--or whether Bloom can create a hybrid of the two systems. The other unknown is how much is John Henry willing to spend on players like Bogey and Devers.