Fire Bloom .

[Elktonnick]

The negotiations with Mookie took place between the 2018 and 2019 seasons. The same offseason they gave the extensions to Bogaerts and Sale.

Oh you do not think John Henry is capable of planning more than a day at a time. Henry is a strategic thinker. He plans years ahead as anyone who has a rudimentary knowledge of his business career can attest.

[cp176]

One thing that I really think could become apparent and hopefully not what we can expect is that regardless of how many people would like to think that Bloom really does have a plan going forward, based on many of his recent moves, he might not. I can't think of any logical reason for quite a few of them. He's either a genius with a plan or just a guy who was hired to run a hugely popular and wealthy franchise, and really doesn't know what he is doing.

[dgalehouse]

Mookie should never have been let go . You simply have to find the money to pay him . This is a big time franchise. The money they are paying Story and Barnes alone would cover it. The excuses given are very lame. Please don't tell me that you traded a Hall of Fame talent to save half of Price's contract. There is no way to justify this.

[dgalehouse]

I don't kill Bloom for the JBJ trade. You take a shot . Sometimes it doesn't work. You move on. I do blame him for the bullpen. Any objective observer could see this was a problem from Day one. He should have done more .

[Bellhorn04]

One thing that I really think could become apparent and hopefully not what we can expect is that regardless of how many people would like to think that Bloom really does have a plan going forward, based on many of his recent moves, he might not. I can't think of any logical reason for quite a few of them. He's either a genius with a plan or just a guy who was hired to run a hugely popular and wealthy franchise, and really doesn't know what he is doing.

 

I think he does have a plan, but maybe we just don't like it.

 

I think the plan for 2021 and 2022 was to win enough games to make the playoffs without adding too much to the payroll, and to keep adding to the farm.

 

The first part worked last year, this year it looks like it won't.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't kill Bloom for the JBJ trade. You take a shot . Sometimes it doesn't work. You move on. I do blame him for the bullpen. Any objective observer could see this was a problem from Day one. He should have done more .

 

... not only over the winter, but all the way back to last summer, and the 2021 trade deadline. Meanwhile, the bullpens that went farther last postseason were the ones who improved more than Boston's.

 

I also have no hope that Bloom will ever sign a reliever when the guy is actually doing well, because he tried that once, and Barnes has been unwell ever since. Could he ever make a Kimbrel or Hader trade? Also doubtful, based on the multitudes of established available relievers passed on the last two seasons. Hopefully, more high leverage arms will develop from within. Soon...

[Old Red]

I don't kill Bloom for the JBJ trade. You take a shot . Sometimes it doesn't work. You move on. I do blame him for the bullpen. Any objective observer could see this was a problem from Day one. He should have done more .

 

Any objective observer could have seen 1B was a problem also, and would not have waited 100 games to get an actual 1B, and only after Hosmer fell in his lap, and not something that Bloom had intending on doing if Hosmer went to Washington Franchy would still be at 1B.

[Bellhorn04]

Any objective observer could have seen 1B was a problem also, and would not have waited 100 games to get an actual 1B, and only after Hosmer fell in his lap, and not something that Bloom had intending on doing if Hosmer went to Washington Franchy would still be at 1B.

 

Dalbec showed promise last year with 25 HR and 78 RBI and a .792 OPS. And they weren't expecting Casas to get injured. s*** happens.

[Old Red]

I think he does have a plan, but maybe we just don't like it.

 

I think the plan for 2021 and 2022 was to win enough games to make the playoffs without adding too much to the payroll, and to keep adding to the farm.

 

The first part worked last year, this year it looks like it won't.

To me a team like the Red Sox a big Market Team with a $200M payroll should have a plan, but not to be out of any season they are currently in. You can build for 2023, and beyond, but not at the expense of 2022. Just because they have lots of money coming off the books, and a higher ranked farm system does not mean success in 2023. Not with Bloom at the helm. 2022 should have been better than what it is.

[notin]

Any objective observer could have seen 1B was a problem also, and would not have waited 100 games to get an actual 1B, and only after Hosmer fell in his lap, and not something that Bloom had intending on doing if Hosmer went to Washington Franchy would still be at 1B.

 

It is pure conjecture that he would have done nothing if Hosmer didn’t happen.

 

And don’t forget Shaw was the opening day 1b and was pretty good in his limited role last year. The Sox had Dalbec, who was behind only Vlad Jr. in 1b OPS from mid -June until the end of 2021, and they had Casas. Who were they supposed to get?

[cp176]

I think he does have a plan, but maybe we just don't like it.

 

I think the plan for 2021 and 2022 was to win enough games to make the playoffs without adding too much to the payroll, and to keep adding to the farm.

 

The first part worked last year, this year it looks like it won't.

 

So you are saying that his plan is to keep adding to the farm? I'm looking at just about everyone that has been added in addition to those that have already been stockpiled and I don't see the next great player in the reasonably immediate future. Some good prospects but if adding to and log jamming players that may or may never make it to the bigs is the way of the Red Sox future , we might have a lot more hold your nose stinkers in front of us.

[Old Red]

Dalbec showed promise last year with 25 HR and 78 RBI and a .792 OPS. And they weren't expecting Casas to get injured. s*** happens.

 

Cases was injured long ago was he not? Was you going to wait all year to see if Bobby D got hot like last year, and stick with Dr Strangelove Franchy Cordero? Something should have been done before game 100+.

[cp176]

Mookie should never have been let go . You simply have to find the money to pay him . This is a big time franchise. The money they are paying Story and Barnes alone would cover it. The excuses given are very lame. Please don't tell me that you traded a Hall of Fame talent to save half of Price's contract. There is no way to justify this.

 

 

hey come on now, it is all about the budget. I'm sure that JH would be willing to fork more over if it wasn't for the budget. Even muti-billionaires must have an identifiable one don't you think? If it means giving up one or two generational talents oh well that's the way it goes. We are going to keep adding to the farm. lol

[Bellhorn04]

So you are saying that his plan is to keep adding to the farm?

 

What I said was, that was part of the plan for 2021 and 2022.

[cp176]

What I said was, that was part of the plan for 2021 and 2022.

 

yes you did. So do we have a plan for next year? when you figure it out please let me know.

[Bellhorn04]

Cases was injured long ago was he not? Was you going to wait all year to see if Bobby D got hot like last year, and stick with Dr Strangelove Franchy Cordero? Something should have been done before game 100+.

 

Maybe so, but who was available, and what would we have to give up?

 

Using Cordero at first was just a total fail, I'm not trying to defend Bloom or Cora on that one.

[Bellhorn04]

yes you did. So do we have a plan for next year? when you figure it out please let me know.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing it myself.

[Old Red]

It is pure conjecture that he would have done nothing if Hosmer didn’t happen.

 

And don’t forget Shaw was the opening day 1b and was pretty good in his limited role last year. The Sox had Dalbec, who was behind only Vlad Jr. in 1b OPS from mid -June until the end of 2021, and they had Casas. Who were they supposed to get?

Conjecture? Time was almost up. Stop making the Shaw, Bobby D, and Casas excuse. It didn’t work, and it should have been know long ago, and was to most. Last year was last year, and that Bobby D is over, and gone.

[notin]

So you are saying that his plan is to keep adding to the farm? I'm looking at just about everyone that has been added in addition to those that have already been stockpiled and I don't see the next great player in the reasonably immediate future. Some good prospects but if adding to and log jamming players that may or may never make it to the bigs is the way of the Red Sox future , we might have a lot more hold your nose stinkers in front of us.

 

Players like Juan Soto get traded for logjams.

 

Drafting the “next great player” is difficult. Trading for him as a prospect even more so.

 

But trading for one as he gets to those pricey arbitration years like we just saw with Soto can happen if you have a decent farm package…

[Old Red]

Maybe so, but who was available, and what would we have to give up?

 

Using Cordero at first was just a total fail, I'm not trying to defend Bloom or Cora on that one.

 

Always worrying on who the Red Sox would have to give up. God forbid giving up a minor league player who not all are prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

Always worrying on who the Red Sox would have to give up. God forbid giving up a minor league player who not all are prospects.

 

Not really worrying about it. Just trying to explain the reasoning.

[notin]

Conjecture? Time was almost up. Stop making the Shaw, Bobby D, and Casas excuse. It didn’t work, and it should have been know long ago, and was to most. Last year was last year, and that Bobby D is over, and gone.

 

 

Of course it’s conjecture. Do you know if Bloom was taking to other teams about a 1b? Sounds to me like you’re saying you know he absolutely wasn’t

 

And Shaw/Dalbec/Casas isn’t an excuse. It was reality. It actually happened. Franchy was Plan D. Not only was he not on the opening day roster, he wasn’t even on the 40 man roster to start the season. And Dalbec started extremely slow, but had an OPS of .900 from June 15 until the end of the year. What was wrong with that?

 

Sounds like someone doesn’t like it when history ruins his complaints…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It is pure conjecture that he would have done nothing if Hosmer didn’t happen.

 

And don’t forget Shaw was the opening day 1b and was pretty good in his limited role last year. The Sox had Dalbec, who was behind only Vlad Jr. in 1b OPS from mid -June until the end of 2021, and they had Casas. Who were they supposed to get?

 

They weren't supposed to get anyone, but they could've adjusted when the original plan failed. That's what big market teams do: act immediately, not wait 100 games until they're doormats. When the Yankees third baseman breaks his ankle playing basketball, they trade for the American League's Most Valuable Player.

 

Any actual big league first baseman would've been better than Franchy -- as we all kept saying... here are four on last place teams the beginning of June: Mancini, Santana, Bell, Crone. Three are now on new teams, so their clubs were willing to deal.

[dgalehouse]

Homer just happened to fall into their lap. He vetoed the trade to Washington and San Diego was desperate to move him after getting Josh Bell.

[Bellhorn04]

Homer just happened to fall into their lap. He vetoed the trade to Washington and San Diego was desperate to move him after getting Josh Bell.

 

Some might say Bloom jumped on a good opportunity.

 

I guess it all depends on how you frame it.

[Old Red]

Of course it’s conjecture. Do you know if Bloom was taking to other teams about a 1b? Sounds to me like you’re saying you know he absolutely wasn’t

 

And Shaw/Dalbec/Casas isn’t an excuse. It was reality. It actually happened. Franchy was Plan D. Not only was he not on the opening day roster, he wasn’t even on the 40 man roster to start the season. And Dalbec started extremely slow, but had an OPS of .900 from June 15 until the end of the year. What was wrong with that?

 

Sounds like someone doesn’t like it when history ruins his complaints…

You are living in the past, and no I don’t know for sure what Bloom was doing, but the Hosmer deal happened at the last moment, and I for one don’t think any other deal for a 1B was in the works. If you do that’s fine, but you don’t know either. Yes the above mentioned 1B candidates were a reality, and what also was a reality is Bloom set there and watched it all happen. What Bobby D did last year had nothing to do with this year as unfortunately we all found out.

[notin]

Homer just happened to fall into their lap. He vetoed the trade to Washington and San Diego was desperate to move him after getting Josh Bell.

 

That Boston got involved so quickly also suggests something had been worked out, either just in case or other players were involved. Teams don’t throw trades together in minutes. There’s all kinds of contract reviews and approvals involved.

 

I suppose it’s even possible in one of the scenarios Bell was headed to Boston.

[Old Red]

Some might say Bloom jumped on a good opportunity.

 

I guess it all depends on how you frame it.

 

I’ll give Bloom partial credit for that. They actually got a 1B for minimum wage.

[notin]

They weren't supposed to get anyone, but they could've adjusted when the original plan failed. That's what big market teams do: act immediately, not wait 100 games until they're doormats. When the Yankees third baseman breaks his ankle playing basketball, they trade for the American League's Most Valuable Player.

 

Any actual big league first baseman would've been better than Franchy -- as we all kept saying... here are four on last place teams the beginning of June: Mancini, Santana, Bell, Crone. Three are now on new teams, so their clubs were willing to deal.

 

Cron got traded?

 

And you’re talking about giving up players. Not acquiring them…

[Old Red]

Homer just happened to fall into their lap. He vetoed the trade to Washington and San Diego was desperate to move him after getting Josh Bell.

 

So desperate that they paid pretty much all his contract.