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[moonslav59]

Most people use the "TV eye test".

 

And Minnesota's stadium looked better on TV?

 

Remember the baggie?

 

I thought the Tampa stadium was nice, especially on a hot day.

Edited September 7, 2022 by moonslav59

[notin]

Most people use the "TV eye test".

 

Which has its uses, but sometimes it’s flat out wrong. Outfield defense, for example, cannot be judged by watching games on TV. Unless the OF is really really bad. Like Duran bad…

[moonslav59]

Which has its uses, but sometimes it’s flat out wrong. Outfield defense, for example, cannot be judged by watching games on TV. Unless the OF is really really bad. Like Duran bad…

 

Rarely, they do show a view with the CF in the frame, when the ball is hit. So, rarely you can get an idea of how quickly he breaks to the ball, but yes, it's basically all live observation and Flg% vs metrics.

[Bellhorn04]

How many people bashing the stadium have been there?

 

What happened to "the eye test?"

 

I'm sure it's fine to watch a game in person.

 

My adverse reactions to the place come from things like catwalks, cowbells, and a field that looks like a cheap, badly stained old carpet.

[notin]

And Minnesota's stadium looked better on TV?

 

Remember the baggie?

 

I thought the Tampa stadium was nice, especially on a hot day.

 

Nothing was worse than that Pole on the Hill in Houston. What were they thinking?

 

“Hey let’s put a pole in the middle of the outfield for no reason except maybe to see if someone runs into it at top speed!”

 

“Make it safer. Put it on a hill.”

 

“Fine, party pooper. But can I at least still put the alligator pit at third base?”

[Old Red]

3-6 10

 

3 games under 500

 

6 games back in the L column for last place in the Div.

 

10 games back in the L column for the last Wild Card spot.

 

Won’t get to 500. Will end up in last place in the Div. Will not make the playoffs. Playoffs?Did someone say playoffs? Put a fork ‘em. They’re done!

[jad]

Nothing was worse than that Pole on the Hill in Houston. What were they thinking?

 

“Hey let’s put a pole in the middle of the outfield for no reason except maybe to see if someone runs into it at top speed!”

 

“Make it safer. Put it on a hill.”

 

“Fine, party pooper. But can I at least still put the alligator pit at third base?”

 

Wasn't there a flagpole, in play!, in CF at Fenway years ago?

[mvp 78]

Wasn't there a flagpole, in play!, in CF at Fenway years ago?

 

Until 1970.

[mvp 78]

What is so horrible about that location?

 

I was in St. Pete last November and didn’t see the problem. It’s right off the highway. What the big deal?

 

I drove by Patriot Place on Wednesday in May and it was really easy to get in and out of. Probably not a big deal when Country Fest shows up or whatever.

[mvp 78]

How many people bashing the stadium have been there?

 

What happened to "the eye test?"

 

You must be very easy to please.

[mvp 78]

Tropicana and Oakland Coliseum are the bottom 2 of every MLB stadium ranking I’ve seen and it’s for a good reason.

[Bobe2]

I drove by Patriot Place on Wednesday in May and it was really easy to get in and out of. Probably not a big deal when Country Fest shows up or whatever.

 

I’ve never been there but friends have said the problem is getting in and out, only one way in and out and at game times the traffic gets backed up all the way onto the highway. One road in and 18,000 people showing up at about the same time

[moonslav59]

You must be very easy to please.

 

I've been to about 12 MLB stadiums. They all seemed nice to me, so maybe I'm easy.

 

The 2nd worst stadium might still be nice, right?

 

It seems to me, there are about 20 really nice stadiums, maybe 5-8 pretty nice and maybe 1-2 that are borderline nice.

 

Tropicana is no Camden Yards, but it's not bad, IMO.

[moonslav59]

I’ve never been there but friends have said the problem is getting in and out, only one way in and out and at game times the traffic gets backed up all the way onto the highway. One road in and 18,000 people showing up at about the same time

 

It a traffic mess at many stadiums, and some of those have 25-40K going to the game.

[Bobe2]

The "if they wanted" is the key.

 

They also just traded away the heart and soul of their team at the deadline, while in the middle of their first playoff race in several years.

Isn’t that the Ray way, guys power numbers declining, free agent this year, trade him get what you can, they realize that they are not going to the World Series this year.

[Bobe2]

It a traffic mess at many stadiums, and some of those have 25-40K going to the game.

 

Most stadiums have multiple access roads, these people said they were uncomfortable sitting on a highway with vehicles going by at 75 mph

[moonslav59]

Isn’t that the Ray way, guys power numbers declining, free agent this year, trade him get what you can, they realize that they are not going to the World Series this year.

 

I think they feel they have had a chance to go the World Series for a few years in a row, now- unlike us. They actually went in 2020.

 

When they trade away good players, especially mid-season, I think they do so, thinking they are getting someone who will be helpful in a few years, and as they do that, they are calling up someone they traded for a few years ago. It's a replenishing cycle that works, and it could work for big spending teams, too, but only for players they don't intend to extend- something the Rays never do, unless they lock a kid up way before arb years.

 

The Rays are trying hard to win a ring, within the budgetary confinces their owner places on the GM. They have found a way to be pretty highly competitive for many years in a row.

 

They got their initial start at measured success, by getting several high draft picks in the mid 2000's, but since then they have worked the system in their favor. They used to hoard comp picks, but when that went away, they changed, yet again. They rely on great scouting of ML talent and knowing when someone is about to have a career year, or knowing a tweak that will improve someone that may have been like a journeyman their whole career.

 

They have had 3 losing seasons since 2007 (one was 80-82), and have never finished last since then.

 

Since 2009, they have had no winning seasons' winning percent below .556.

 

Since 2017, they finished 3, 3, 2, 1, 1 and are currently in 2nd in a very tough division.

 

To do this on a restricted budget is simply amazing, and it's no mistake 3 people from their system are now GMs on other teams (LAD, HOU & BOS).

[moonslav59]

Most stadiums have multiple access roads, these people said they were uncomfortable sitting on a highway with vehicles going by at 75 mph

 

Tropicana Field has 3 major Interstate highways very near it: 275, 175 and 375.

 

There is just one road to Tampa, but many stadiums have issues like that.

[Bobe2]

I think they feel they have had a chance to go the World Series for a few years in a row, now- unlike us. They actually went in 2020.

 

When they trade away good players, especially mid-season, I think they do so, thinking they are getting someone who will be helpful in a few years, and as they do that, they are calling up someone they traded for a few years ago. It's a replenishing cycle that works, and it could work for big spending teams, too, but only for players they don't intend to extend- something the Rays never do, unless they lock a kid up way before arb years.

 

The Rays are trying hard to win a ring, within the budgetary confinces their owner places on the GM. They have found a way to be pretty highly competitive for many years in a row.

 

They got their initial start at measured success, by getting several high draft picks in the mid 2000's, but since then they have worked the system in their favor. They used to hoard comp picks, but when that went away, they changed, yet again. They rely on great scouting of ML talent and knowing when someone is about to have a career year, or knowing a tweak that will improve someone that may have been like a journeyman their whole career.

 

They have had 3 losing seasons since 2007 (one was 80-82), and have never finished last since then.

 

Since 2009, they have had no winning seasons' winning percent below .556.

 

Since 2017, they finished 3, 3, 2, 1, 1 and are currently in 2nd in a very tough division.

 

To do this on a restricted budget is simply amazing, and it's no mistake 3 people from their system are now GMs on other teams (LAD, HOU & BOS).

Sorry I was talking about the Orioles

[mvp 78]

Tropicana Field has 3 major Interstate highways very near it: 275, 175 and 375.

 

There is just one road to Tampa, but many stadiums have issues like that.

 

Major interstate highway is a stretch when both 175 and 375 are less than 2 miles long.

[notin]

Wasn't there a flagpole, in play!, in CF at Fenway years ago?

 

That’s different. That was put in place to cripple Mickey Mantle…

[moonslav59]

Major interstate highway is a stretch when both 175 and 375 are less than 2 miles long.

 

They make for nice super wide on ramps.

[mvp 78]

They make for nice super wide on ramps.

 

I'm just saying that the Trop has 3 interstate highways running by it oversells what 175 and 375 actually are. I'm glad you had a great time there. It should be replaced though. Most people hate it. It's in the wrong spot for most people that live over there and the stadium feels far more dated than it should at this point.

[moonslav59]

I'm just saying that the Trop has 3 interstate highways running by it oversells what 175 and 375 actually are. I'm glad you had a great time there. It should be replaced though. Most people hate it. It's in the wrong spot for most people that live over there and the stadium feels far more dated than it should at this point.

 

I don't disagree, but even if you built 30 brand new stadiums, one would be rated worst and second worst, but it doesn't mean it's horrible.

 

That's my point.

 

Now, I was there a long time ago, too, so there's that.

[oldtimer]

I think they feel they have had a chance to go the World Series for a few years in a row, now- unlike us. They actually went in 2020.

 

When they trade away good players, especially mid-season, I think they do so, thinking they are getting someone who will be helpful in a few years, and as they do that, they are calling up someone they traded for a few years ago. It's a replenishing cycle that works, and it could work for big spending teams, too, but only for players they don't intend to extend- something the Rays never do, unless they lock a kid up way before arb years.

 

The Rays are trying hard to win a ring, within the budgetary confinces their owner places on the GM. They have found a way to be pretty highly competitive for many years in a row.

 

They got their initial start at measured success, by getting several high draft picks in the mid 2000's, but since then they have worked the system in their favor. They used to hoard comp picks, but when that went away, they changed, yet again. They rely on great scouting of ML talent and knowing when someone is about to have a career year, or knowing a tweak that will improve someone that may have been like a journeyman their whole career.

 

They have had 3 losing seasons since 2007 (one was 80-82), and have never finished last since then.

 

Since 2009, they have had no winning seasons' winning percent below .556.

 

Since 2017, they finished 3, 3, 2, 1, 1 and are currently in 2nd in a very tough division.

 

To do this on a restricted budget is simply amazing, and it's no mistake 3 people from their system are now GMs on other teams (LAD, HOU & BOS).

 

Another team doing amazing things are the Braves. They brought up 3 youngsters from the minors who are helping them win, Good athletes but none were high draft choices. The Braves are apparently good at recognizing athletic talent and good also at rapidly developing it. They are also not reticent about bringing up guys who are only 21.That kind of movement of prospects help them stay competitive while keeping their budget down.

[moonslav59]

Another team doing amazing things are the Braves. They brought up 3 youngsters from the minors who are helping them win, Good athletes but none were high draft choices. The Braves are apparently good at recognizing athletic talent and good also at rapidly developing it. They are also not reticent about bringing up guys who are only 21.That kind of movement of prospects help them stay competitive while keeping their budget down.

 

Indeed, and they aren't afraid of locking up their younger talent, either.

[notin]

I'm just saying that the Trop has 3 interstate highways running by it oversells what 175 and 375 actually are. I'm glad you had a great time there. It should be replaced though. Most people hate it. It's in the wrong spot for most people that live over there and the stadium feels far more dated than it should at this point.

 

Here’s the thing.

 

I’ve never been to the Trop, but it has to be better than the massively overrated Wrigley Field.

 

I’ve been to Wrigley a lot, and it is a fun place to take in a game. But it also is really beaten down park with almost no amenities and the location is sn awesome place for a condo. Not so much for a ballpark that seats 40,000 people (not to mention the additional 1,000 or so on the rooftops).

 

Because Wrigley has NO PARKING!

 

None. Not a single spot.

 

I don’t mind taking the train in, but it would be a more pleasurable ride if 39,999 other fans didn’t feel the same way about it.

 

And I like Cubs’ fans. I married one. We spawned another. But I gotta tell you - NOBODY DRINKS LIKE A CUB FAN AT WRIGLEY. You just can’t stop them. You’d think $15 Natty Lights would be a deterrent. Nope. They just keep inhaling that second rate turpentine until they make beer cup snakes that span the bleachers.

 

But I digress…

[moonslav59]

Here’s the thing.

 

I’ve never been to the Trop, but it has to be better than the massively overrated Wrigley Field.

 

I’ve been to Wrigley a lot, and it is a fun place to take in a game. But it also is really beaten down park with almost no amenities and the location is sn awesome place for a condo. Not so much for a ballpark that seats 40,000 people (not to mention the additional 1,000 or so on the rooftops).

 

Because Wrigley has NO PARKING!

 

None. Not a single spot.

 

I don’t mind taking the train in, but it would be a more pleasurable ride if 39,999 other fans didn’t feel the same way about it.

 

And I like Cubs’ fans. I married one. We spawned another. But I gotta tell you - NOBODY DRINKS LIKE A CUB FAN AT WRIGLEY. You just can’t stop them. You’d think $15 Natty Lights would be a deterrent. Nope. They just keep inhaling that second rate turpentine until they make beer cup snakes that span the bleachers.

 

But I digress…

 

Fenway has very uncomfortable seats with some not even facing the mound. I got a stiff neck one game by having to crank my neck in one direction for 4 hours. It's a beautiful park, but my neck votes for the Trop.

[MADSTORK]

Wrong! Top prospects get traded for premium players all the time. We traded away the #1 prospect in all of baseball for Chris Sale.

 

And if that’s your philosophy and you can’t develop pitching then guess what? You don’t have any pitching and you lose. When is the last time the Sox developed a TOTRS? It’s been over a decade. That’s a great strategy, but until you get there and you currently don’t have an ace in the pipeline your only options are FA or the trade market.

 

I’m the biggest prospect homer in here, I’d love to retain Mayer and think we likely do, but you won’t see me crying about it if he goes for a young cost controller ACE.

 

You pink hats have it all figured out!

Moncada is a beer leaguer and Kopeck has yet to figure it out at age 27

They were traded for an Elite starting pitcher who won you a ring in 18

 

They might have been Top prospects on Mickey Mouse’s list but not any legit Scouting sites at the time

Moncada’s stock was Agent driven the Sox were fools to sign him but hey, they also signed Castillo

You don’t sign high priced International players, more times than not they suck

 

Do your research on Mayer, better yet talk to the Scouts if you leave your basement

[notin]

You pink hats have it all figured out!

Moncada is a beer leaguer and Kopeck has yet to figure it out at age 27

They were traded for an Elite starting pitcher who won you a ring in 18

 

They might have been Top prospects on Mickey Mouse’s list but not any legit Scouting sites at the time

Moncada’s stock was Agent driven the Sox were fools to sign him but hey, they also signed Castillo

You don’t sign high priced International players, more times than not they suck

 

Do your research on Mayer, better yet talk to the Scouts if you leave your basement

 

Kopech’s 26, not 27.

 

No one believes you know anything about what any scout says considering you don’t even know how to use Google to look up a player’s age.

 

Stupidest troll ever…