Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

Money talks ! End of Betts not wanting to be here

 

What 2 pitchers did they acquire?

 

"Starter" actually has two meanings in baseball.

[redsoxrules]

JD had his chances in Boston. Most people are upset he wasn’t traded away.

 

Again, it seemed like no one liked the 2022 Red Sox when they were here. But now that they’re gone we’re swimming in all this Wacha, Eovaldi and Martinez love.

 

I think some folks just need to stop pining for the past and listen to the words of the great philosopher Stephen Stills . If you can’t be with the one you love…

 

The issue is not specifically that we're missing JD , nate and wacha. The issue is that their replacements are not doing any better. If they were doing good I couldn't care less what the other 3 are doing. Fact is that those moves did not improve the team. The issue with the team is pitching really and he did not address this very good in the off season

[dannycater]

Exactly

[Bellhorn04]

The total guaranteed money that Eovaldi and Wacha got between them was $60 mill. You could almost call that the bargain bin in 2023 economic terms.

[Old Red]

The total guaranteed money that Eovaldi and Wacha got between them was $60 mill. You could almost call that the bargain bin in 2023 economic terms.

 

The Red Sox have spent about half of that on Richards, Kluber, and Hill, and will have to spend even more in the next few years.

[notin]

Money talks ! End of Betts not wanting to be here

 

What 2 pitchers did they acquire?

 

Starters aren’t only pitchers. Anyone who starts can be called a starter and it fits the definition of the word and distinguishes them from bench players…

[notin]

The issue is not specifically that we're missing JD , nate and wacha. The issue is that their replacements are not doing any better. If they were doing good I couldn't care less what the other 3 are doing. Fact is that those moves did not improve the team. The issue with the team is pitching really and he did not address this very good in the off season

 

And their replacements are not signed long term. They’re also easily replaced…

[Old Red]

And their replacements are not signed long term. They’re also easily replaced…

 

The here and now is all that matters at the moment, and at the moment the Red Sox are a losing, last place in the Div team, and could surely use a Evol, and Wacha in the rotation, and not to mention JD’s bat.

[Bellhorn04]

The here and now is all that matters at the moment, and at the moment the Red Sox are a losing, last place in the Div team, and could surely use a Evol, and Wacha in the rotation, and not to mention JD’s bat.

 

Yep. And we were supposed to be better than last year. Way better.

[notin]

The here and now is all that matters at the moment, and at the moment the Red Sox are a losing, last place in the Div team, and could surely use a Evol, and Wacha in the rotation, and not to mention JD’s bat.

 

To fans, yes.

 

GMs should consider how long deals are and what that impact is…

[MADSTORK]

But the directive was "build up the farm system", and he's done that. Also, you can hoard a bunch of prospects, and they can all suck. Drafting is both a science and an art. Not trying to defend Bloom here, just trying to look at things objectively.

 

What farm system?

If you think Orlando is gifted at scouting drafting development your delusional

 

Yes, the Draft is a crapshoot more so than other sports but you can only use that as an excuse so many times

 

Mayer fell in his lap, Yorke and Blaze Jordan have been legit. I ask where is the pitching? There is none!

Last years #1 and 2 Draft picks were signed for 4 plus million one kid had a history of back issues the other can’t hit a breaking ball

Another draft failure was not being able to sign Fabian the same year they took Mayer

 

Far as the “so called prospects” that were traded for, most are to old for the level they’re playing in!

 

Fire this clown tomorrow!!

[Old Red]

To fans, yes.

 

GMs should consider how long deals are and what that impact is…

 

You mean like being a losing last place in the Div team for two years now?

[MADSTORK]

Bro, that's how it works in any corporate environment. Grunts do all the hard work, boss gets the hoopla if things go well, or the axe if things go badly and he doesn't find a scapegoat. I don't see any of you blaming the scouting department on their inability to find pitching in the later rounds.

 

I’ve been advocating your statement for years!

Epstein revamped the Scouting Drafting and Development Department when he took over in 03

He cleaned house and brought in new

 

It hasn’t been done since !

Bloom should have seen that and fired everybody to begin with from Crockett Romero Abrahams and every other swinging d!ck who was and has been leaching off of Henry’s payroll!

[Larry Cook]

I’ve been advocating your statement for years!

Epstein revamped the Scouting Drafting and Development Department when he took over in 03

He cleaned house and brought in new

 

It hasn’t been done since !

Bloom should have seen that and fired everybody to begin with from Crockett Romero Abrahams and every other swinging d!ck who was and has been leaching off of Henry’s payroll!

 

I think Hang’em Chaim has completely revamped the baseball analytics department!

[Old Red]

And their replacements are not signed long term. They’re also easily replaced…

 

Easily replaced yes, but at what cost for the same amount of time, and how good will they be? A $10M Cory Kluber is one of those. A $10M Garrett Richards was one of those. They all add up too.

[MADSTORK]

The here and now is all that matters at the moment, and at the moment the Red Sox are a losing, last place in the Div team, and could surely use a Evol, and Wacha in the rotation, and not to mention JD’s bat.[/quote

 

JD Martinez at 36 ain’t worth the risk 1 year deal or no deal

Evoldi’s injury history was an easy decision regardless of who the GM was or is

27 million for those 2 players was not worth it for this season

 

Where Orlando missed the boat was “ not dealing both at the deadline to get something!

 

Far as Wacha well another injury riddled career. it would have been a gamble to offer a multi year deal, but again go back to scouting drafting and development of pitchers, there is none so in hindsight Wacha would have made sense

[Old Red]

The here and now is all that matters at the moment, and at the moment the Red Sox are a losing, last place in the Div team, and could surely use a Evol, and Wacha in the rotation, and not to mention JD’s bat.[/quote

 

JD Martinez at 36 ain’t worth the risk 1 year deal or no deal

Evoldi’s injury history was an easy decision regardless of who the GM was or is

27 million for those 2 players was not worth it for this season

 

Where Orlando missed the boat was “ not dealing both at the deadline to get something!

 

Far as Wacha well another injury riddled career. it would have been a gamble to offer a multi year deal, but again go back to scouting drafting and development of pitchers, there is none so in hindsight Wacha would have made sense

 

I wouldn’t have resigned Evol, or JD either, but it’s just that Turner who replaced JD as it turns out is not having as good of a season as JD is at the moment, and Wacha, and Evol we’re both named pitcher of the month, where as Kluber, and his 7+ ERA suck. Nobody is saying they should have been resigned, but only that get something as good to replace them.

[moonslav59]

To fans, yes.

 

GMs should consider how long deals are and what that impact is…

 

Not all fans live and care about just the present, either. Of course it matters, a lot, but it’s not everything. The part that might matter most to JH is the overall sense that most fans are losing hope for the future, too.

[notin]

 

I wouldn’t have resigned Evol, or JD either, but it’s just that Turner who replaced JD as it turns out is not having as good of a season as JD is at the moment, and Wacha, and Evol we’re both named pitcher of the month, where as Kluber, and his 7+ ERA suck. Nobody is saying they should have been resigned, but only that get something as good to replace them.

 

 

You can’t expect the GM to improve on something that hasn’t happened yet. He have the future to look at. If a player improves elsewhere, there could easily be other factors involved. Are Wacha and Eovaldi benefitting from better defenses? Or better coaching? Is JD hitting better because of worse pitching or the ballpark or being buried in a better lineup?

 

Other than the defenses, I don’t know of any of these are true. But they are all certainly possible…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

I think some folks just need to stop pining for the past and listen to the words of the great philosopher Stephen Stills . If you can’t be with the one you love…

 

Stills was more succinct about the Bloom Era: There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear...

[moonslav59]

Throwing shadows on our eyes

Leaves us helpless, helpless, HELL-plus.

[Old Red]

Not all fans live and care about just the present, either. Of course it matters, a lot, but it’s not everything. The part that might matter most to JH is the overall sense that most fans are losing hope for the future, too.

 

How about a little standings update, which I would say most fans care about the most.

 

32-33 record, which is good enough to be last in the Div by 3 games.

 

Wild card there is only 5 teams ahead of them with the next one in line 2 games in the loss column ahead.

 

Overall record there is just 15 teams ahead of them, so is that glass half full, or half empty? I’ll let others decide on that one.

 

There is another poster who gives standings updates sometimes, but the conditions have to be right to do it.

 

I’m guessing too that there are not to many fans out in RS Nation that are saying it’s OK if we end up as a losing last place in the Div team, and out of the postseason again this year as long as we might be good in 2024, 2025, or possibly 2026.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

32-33 with a run differential of 320-321.

 

If Bloom's goal for 2023 was to build a prototypical .500 team, he succeeded brilliantly!

[Duran Is The Man]

How about a little standings update, which I would say most fans care about the most.

 

32-33 record, which is good enough to be last in the Div by 3 games.

 

Wild card there is only 5 teams ahead of them with the next one in line 2 games in the loss column ahead.

 

Overall record there is just 15 teams ahead of them, so is that glass half full, or half empty? I’ll let others decide on that one.

 

There is another poster who gives standings updates sometimes, but the conditions have to be right to do it.

 

I’m guessing too that there are not to many fans out in RS Nation that are saying it’s OK if we end up as a losing last place in the Div team, and out of the postseason again this year as long as we might be good in 2024, 2025, or possibly 2026.

 

yeah, i can see it now. if they stink next year, Bloom's 5 year plan will suddenly become a 10 year plan.

[Old Red]

yeah, i can see it now. if they stink next year, Bloom's 5 year plan will suddenly become a 10 year plan.

 

And some on here are just fine with that. By the way did you hear the farm system is higher ranked now though?

[Old Red]

32-33 with a run differential of 320-321.

 

If Bloom's goal for 2023 was to build a prototypical .500 team, he succeeded brilliantly!

 

That 320 is not as good as it seems especially the last few weeks, and that 321 is as bad as it seems.

[Bellhorn04]

That 320 is not as good as it seems especially the last few weeks, and that 321 is as bad as it seems.

 

And if we sell off at the deadline, get ready for another 2012-like finish.

[Randy Red Sox]

What pitching prospect is close to MLB ready?

And some on here are just fine with that. By the way did you hear the farm system is higher ranked now though?

[a700hitter]

32-33 with a run differential of 320-321.

 

If Bloom's goal for 2023 was to build a prototypical .500 team, he succeeded brilliantly!

I hope that mediocrity isn’t his goal.

[notin]

What farm system?

If you think Orlando is gifted at scouting drafting development your delusional

 

Yes, the Draft is a crapshoot more so than other sports but you can only use that as an excuse so many times

 

Mayer fell in his lap, Yorke and Blaze Jordan have been legit. I ask where is the pitching? There is none!

Last years #1 and 2 Draft picks were signed for 4 plus million one kid had a history of back issues the other can’t hit a breaking ball

Another draft failure was not being able to sign Fabian the same year they took Mayer

 

Far as the “so called prospects” that were traded for, most are to old for the level they’re playing in!

 

Fire this clown tomorrow!!

 

 

The argument that Mayer “fell into his lap” is for simpletons.

 

Mayer was passed on by three other teams, all of whom selected players ranked lower. No one ever discredited Dombrowski selected consensus top ranked draft pick Jay Groome because he simply “fell into his lap”…