Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

We can analyze Bloom's moves to death, and we'll continue to do so, but the bottom line is he's put together 2 sub-.500 teams in a row.

 

Not in year 1, or year 2, but year 4.

[Bellhorn04]

And here in mid-June the chorus of folks talking about who to trade at the deadline is growing. Even though there are 3 Wild Card teams.

 

Pretty depressing.

[Old Red]

And here in mid-June the chorus of folks talking about who to trade at the deadline is growing. Even though there are 3 Wild Card teams.

 

Pretty depressing.

If it is so bad at the trade deadline that the Red Sox are sellers, and not buyers then Bloom should be the first one to go, and maybe Cora too. To keep playing Kike at SS I don’t believe is Bloom’s idea.

[Bellhorn04]

If it is so bad at the trade deadline that the Red Sox are sellers, and not buyers then Bloom should be the first one to go, and maybe Cora too. To keep playing Kike at SS I don’t believe is Bloom’s idea.

 

It may not be his idea, but he's a big part of how we got here. He could have prevented it by signing Iglesias or whoever you prefer. Chaim thought it would be more fun to try stuff with what we already had.

[Old Red]

It may not be his idea, but he's a big part of how we got here. He could have prevented it by signing Iglesias or whoever you prefer. Chaim thought it would be more fun to try stuff with what we already had.

 

That’s Bloom’s standing operational procedure pretty much.

[notin]

It may not be his idea, but he's a big part of how we got here. He could have prevented it by signing Iglesias or whoever you prefer. Chaim thought it would be more fun to try stuff with what we already had.

 

Bloom is responsible for not promoting Hamilton (now injured) and for thinking Mondesi would be ready. He did bring in Chang.

 

But two nights ago, Reyes played terrific shortstop, sacrificed over the tying run and nearly put the game out of reach but for a terrific grab by McKinney. The guy contributed to a win. Why not play him??

 

Besides what makes you think if Iglesias came back, he’d be starting at SS over Kike? “Better defender” won’t make it happen. Ask Reyes…

[notin]

We can analyze Bloom's moves to death, and we'll continue to do so, but the bottom line is he's put together 2 sub-.500 teams in a row.

 

But unless John Henry starts posting here, it doesn’t matter. For all we know, Henry might have anticipated a prolonged sun-.500 rebuild. And if it starts looking better on the farm, that might be the goal.

 

After all, maybe Henry regrets not letting Cherington finish the job of building the farm and regrets the financial implications of hiring Dombrowski…

[Old Red]

Bloom is responsible for not promoting Hamilton (now injured) and for thinking Mondesi would be ready. He did bring in Chang.

 

But two nights ago, Reyes played terrific shortstop, sacrificed over the tying run and nearly put the game out of reach but for a terrific grab by McKinney. The guy contributed to a win. Why not play him??

 

Besides what makes you think if Iglesias came back, he’d be starting at SS over Kike? “Better defender” won’t make it happen. Ask Reyes…

Chang who was supposed to have come back yesterday has suffered a setback, so it looks like Kike at SS lives on.

[notin]

Chang who was supposed to have come back yesterday has suffered a setback, so it looks like Kike at SS lives on.

 

Bloom could use a Time Machine to trade for a 22yo Cal Ripken, and Cora would still put Kike at SS, saying “we’ve seen some real progress from him.”…

[Bellhorn04]

But unless John Henry starts posting here, it doesn’t matter. For all we know, Henry might have anticipated a prolonged sun-.500 rebuild. And if it starts looking better on the farm, that might be the goal.

 

After all, maybe Henry regrets not letting Cherington finish the job of building the farm and regrets the financial implications of hiring Dombrowski…

 

Yes, we can all make up our own scenarios.

 

But what sense did it make to spend on the back end of the bullpen if they weren't expecting to contend this year?

 

What sense did it make to sign Story for $140 mill if the first few years of that were expected to be losing seasons?

 

However you look at it, it seems like a half-ass job.

[Old Red]

But unless John Henry starts posting here, it doesn’t matter. For all we know, Henry might have anticipated a prolonged sun-.500 rebuild. And if it starts looking better on the farm, that might be the goal.

 

After all, maybe Henry regrets not letting Cherington finish the job of building the farm and regrets the financial implications of hiring Dombrowski…

If Henry anticipated a prolonged sub-500 rebuild, and is OK with it then he should sell. Oh the old suspects on the farm thing. Higher ranking does not necessarily translate to success for the big club, and the Red Sox are an example of that. This is the Boston Red Sox a big market once storied franchise that if someone in charge knows what they are doing shouldn’t have any rebuilding years. One year is too many.The old John Henry wouldn’t have put up with this for this long, and I believe most fans in Red Sox Nation now have had enough of him, and his lackey Bloom no matter how many championships the Red Sox have won since he bought the team.

Edited June 13, 2023 by Old Red

[notin]

If Henry anticipated a prolonged sub-500 rebuild, and is OK with it then he should sell. Oh the old suspects on the farm thing. Higher ranking does not necessarily translate to success for the big club, and the Red Sox are an example of that.

 

 

The thing is, the decision to sell isn’t up to us, and certainly doesn’t guarantee improvement…

[Old Red]

How about a standings update.

A losing record, and last in the Div by 4 games. No need to go any further than that.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

As we age, maybe we've all been in relationships that are just broken, even irreparable.

 

While we know the next one won't necessarily be better, we come to realize that it's still just time to move on.

[cp176]

But unless John Henry starts posting here, it doesn’t matter. For all we know, Henry might have anticipated a prolonged sun-.500 rebuild. And if it starts looking better on the farm, that might be the goal.

 

After all, maybe Henry regrets not letting Cherington finish the job of building the farm and regrets the financial implications of hiring Dombrowski…

 

...and there again is that name - Dombrowski. Time to let it all go.

[notin]

How about a standings update.

A losing record, and last in the Div by 4 games. No need to go any further than that.

 

Well, if he was ok with that as long as his farm starts producing replacements. If it works, he has a competitive and cheaper team like Tampa has. Tampa went through a few last place seasons but has already made the postseason 4 consecutive years, something the Sox have NEVER done. Not under Theo. Not under Dombrowski. And they’re clearly poised to extend that streak to five straight years.

 

If that’s the goal, this 2 year streak of missing the postseason (assuming they do miss this year) might not faze him as much as you want it to…

[mvp 78]

If Henry anticipated a prolonged sub-500 rebuild, and is OK with it then he should sell. Oh the old suspects on the farm thing. Higher ranking does not necessarily translate to success for the big club, and the Red Sox are an example of that. This is the Boston Red Sox a big market once storied franchise that if someone in charge knows what they are doing shouldn’t have any rebuilding years. One year is too many.The old John Henry wouldn’t have put up with this for this long, and I believe most fans in Red Sox Nation now have had enough of him, and his lackey Bloom no matter how many championships the Red Sox have won since he bought the team.

 

No, if that's the expectation, they should clearly just tell everyone that rather than saying it'll be awesome and they'll be competitive.

[Old Red]

No, if that's the expectation, they should clearly just tell everyone that rather than saying it'll be awesome and they'll be competitive.

 

No! Like I’ve said before a Big Market club like the Red Sox Should Not have any prolonged sub-500 rebuilds. Even 1 year is 1 year to many.

[Dipre]

No! Like I’ve said before a Big Market club like the Red Sox Should Not have any prolonged sub-500 rebuilds. Even 1 year is 1 year to many.

 

But that's not how it works unfortunately.

[Old Red]

Well, if he was ok with that as long as his farm starts producing replacements. If it works, he has a competitive and cheaper team like Tampa has. Tampa went through a few last place seasons but has already made the postseason 4 consecutive years, something the Sox have NEVER done. Not under Theo. Not under Dombrowski. And they’re clearly poised to extend that streak to five straight years.

 

If that’s the goal, this 2 year streak of missing the postseason (assuming they do miss this year) might not faze him as much as you want it to…

Tampa is not a Big Market club like the Boston Red Sox, or in any shape like the Red Sox at all. They are a better team though. Suspects, suspects, suspects is the answer to everything as I’ve been told so many times on here, and that is nothing, but a lot of wishful think that they will get the Red Sox back to respectability again instead of being a laughingstock.

[Old Red]

But that's not how it works unfortunately.

 

Not with Bloom in charge.

[Dipre]

Not with Bloom in charge.

 

It doesn't matter whether it's Bloom or the reincarnation of Sparky Anderson. Bloom only executes what ownership wants him to. He was hired to create a sustainable contender, and it seems like they're breaking a few eggs to make that omelette.

[notin]

...and there again is that name - Dombrowski. Time to let it all go.

 

There were financial implications that Henry might not have liked. Learn to accept that…

[notin]

No! Like I’ve said before a Big Market club like the Red Sox Should Not have any prolonged sub-500 rebuilds. Even 1 year is 1 year to many.

 

That’s only your opinion. The Big Market Sox have had them before. The team didn’t go 86 years without a title because of repeated second place finishes…

[Old Red]

It doesn't matter whether it's Bloom or the reincarnation of Sparky Anderson. Bloom only executes what ownership wants him to. He was hired to create a sustainable contender, and it seems like they're breaking a few eggs to make that omelette.

 

I’m sure John Henry wants Bloom to put together a losing, last place in the Div team, and a team that doesn’t make the postseason, so if he was hired to create a sustainable contender it must be a contender for last place, and that’s he’s successful.

[Dipre]

That’s only your opinion. The Big Market Sox have had them before. The team didn’t go 86 years without a title because of repeated second place finishes…

 

The Sox did nothing but suck for decades on end. They win a couple championships (under this ownership group, no less), and now anything less than 180MM payrolls and yearly playoff berths will suffice.

[Old Red]

That’s only your opinion. The Big Market Sox have had them before. The team didn’t go 86 years without a title because of repeated second place finishes…

 

Yes that’s just my opinion, but I bet if you put the vote out there in all of Red Sox. Nation that would be the overwhelming opinion.

[Dipre]

I’m sure John Henry wants Bloom to put together a losing, last place in the Div team, and a team that doesn’t make the postseason, so if he was hired to create a sustainable contender it must be a contender for last place, and that’s he’s successful.

 

Spare me the hyperbole. The point is simple, they want a competitive team on the field, but they also want to avoid lux tax issues and to build up the farm system, so they can spend big on the players they want to spend on, while injecting the team with players from the farm. The problem is that the competitive team part has been grossly mismanaged by Bloom. No one is denying that.

[dannycater]

Sox have lost more games than any team because of defense....that's the GM not taking defense into account. It's let's try to be cute and trying exotics instead of looking at what helps a team win. This is a bad team. Period. Winning 2 straight is almost impossible of late.

[redsoxrules]

Well, if he was ok with that as long as his farm starts producing replacements. If it works, he has a competitive and cheaper team like Tampa has. Tampa went through a few last place seasons but has already made the postseason 4 consecutive years, something the Sox have NEVER done. Not under Theo. Not under Dombrowski. And they’re clearly poised to extend that streak to five straight years.

 

If that’s the goal, this 2 year streak of missing the postseason (assuming they do miss this year) might not faze him as much as you want it to…

 

Boston is NOT a small market team. Why would they need to do like Tampa? Boston won their previous 4 titles by going out and getting the players they need. Yes they had some home grown talent in there but they also went out and got Big Papi, Manny, Pedro, Schilling, beckett, JD, Price and the list goes on.