Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Gausman and McHugh instead of Story.

 

That would have gotten closer to a playoff slot, for sure.

[Old Red]

If this is a directive from Henry, why have the most recent Sox drafts been hitter focused at the top of the draft?

 

2022: Romero, Coffey, Anthony

2021: Mayer, Fabian, McDonough

2020: Yorke, Jordan

 

I wonder what Bloom would have done if 3 clubs hadn’t passed on Mayer?

[mvp 78]

20-20 hindsight, what pitchers could we have signed instead of Story, last winter?

 

Instead of Yoshida, this past winter?

 

Why would I give up Yoshida? Why wouldn't Bloom just spend more money? Are we now a midmarket team that always has to be under the CBT?

 

Last season: sign Kevin Gausman for 18M AAV (the cost of Paxton/Hill/Wacha) and get 5.7 fWAR, sign the Rodon contract for 22 AAV and get 6.2 fWAR, sign Verlander for 25 AAV and get 6.1 fWAR. You're over the cap for one year, but you'll reset in 2023 and it's the final stretch run with the old core. Just go for it.

[mvp 78]

I wonder what Bloom would have done if 3 clubs hadn’t passed on Mayer?

 

Sox wanted Jordan Lawlar, pick #6. https://www.milb.com/player/jordan-lawlar-691783

[Old Red]

Sox wanted Jordan Lawlar, pick #6. https://www.milb.com/player/jordan-lawlar-691783

 

So Bloom still wouldn’t have taken a pitcher?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Having an ace at the top of the rotation means so much more than trying to win the World Series this year.

 

You don't wait until you have a decent core of position players to fill the spot that comprises about 70% of a ballclub's fortunes (as legend would have it).

 

It's arguable that the first position to fill in a rebuild is #1 starter. Everything starts with your starters. They're not called finishing touches.

 

A great ace is called a stopper because he prevents losing streaks. He keeps the team in the game every five days and provides innings, which in turn saves the bullpen to help win others' starts. No one wins with just a deep staff of #4 and #5 guys.

 

The ace sets the tone, and establishes a winning culture. Get yours today!

[mvp 78]

So Bloom still wouldn’t have taken a pitcher?

 

With his track record? No.

 

They were aiming for Jordan Lawlar with pick #4. Rocker was injured, so they would have passed on him. If Leiter falls to #4, do they take him? 5.50 ERA in 23 G in 2022.

 

In a redraft, Davis, Mayer and Lawlar don't even make it to pick #4 most likely.

[Old Red]

With his track record? No.

 

They were aiming for Jordan Lawlar with pick #4. Rocker was injured, so they would have passed on him. If Leiter falls to #4, do they take him? 5.50 ERA in 23 G in 2022.

 

In a redraft, Davis, Mayer and Lawlar don't even make it to pick #4 most likely.

Taking Ball, and Groome with a #1, which didn’t work out hasn’t helped the fact that the Red Sox are, and have been pretty thin in good starting pitching from the farm.

[mvp 78]

Having an ace at the top of the rotation means so much more than trying to win the World Series this year.

 

You don't wait until you have a decent core of position players to fill the spot that comprises about 70% of a ballclub's fortunes (as legend would have it).

 

It's arguable that the first position to fill in a rebuild is #1 starter. Everything starts with your starters. They're not called finishing touches.

 

A great ace is called a stopper because he prevents losing streaks. He keeps the team in the game every five days and provides innings, which in turn saves the bullpen to help win others' starts. No one wins with just a deep staff of #4 and #5 guys.

 

The ace sets the tone, and establishes a winning culture. Get yours today!

 

To get Alcantara from the Marlins, the Sox would have to give up Mayer, Rafaela, Bello and Houck.

 

How much do the Sox really believe in Mayer?

[mvp 78]

Taking Ball, and Groome with a #1, which didn’t work out hasn’t helped the fact that the Red Sox are, and have been pretty thin in good starting pitching from the farm.

 

If Trey Ball did work out, Bloom wouldn't have re-signed him anyway.

[moonslav59]

If Trey Ball did work out, Bloom wouldn't have re-signed him anyway.

 

Or, he'd have moved him to another position.

[vegasbob]

Maybe the Sox track record through multiple FO/MiLB administrations developing pitchers over the past 20 years makes them shy of drafting a pitcher in a top slot. . The failed development process of at least a strong #2 type is inexplicable. Maybe that is turning around with Bello, and marginally with Houck.

[moonslav59]

Maybe the Sox track record through multiple FO/MiLB administrations developing pitchers over the past 20 years makes them shy of drafting a pitcher in a top slot. . The failed development process of at least a strong #2 type is inexplicable. Maybe that is turning around with Bello, and marginally with Houck.

 

We still have a ways to go, but I think the three young pitchers we have now: Whitlock, Houck and Bello look to be the best 3 we've had in a long time.

 

Somebody can (and will) correct me, if I'm wrong, but is this the best 3 since...

 

2008: Buch, Masterson & Bard

 

2006: Lester, Buch and Papelbon

 

2005: Lester, Anibal Sanchez and Papelbon

 

I realize Whitlock is not "homegrown," but he did have his rookie season with us.

 

[notin]

Taking Ball, and Groome with a #1, which didn’t work out hasn’t helped the fact that the Red Sox are, and have been pretty thin in good starting pitching from the farm.

 

Missing on two #1 draft picks in the last 12 years didn’t make the Sox farm thin.

 

Houston chose Mark Appel and Brady Aiken in consecutive years as the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK in the entire draft and both completely busted almost immediately. Yet somehow they keep churning out quality pitching…

[mvp 78]

Why hasn’t Bloom brought over developmental guys from TBR?

[moonslav59]

Missing on two #1 draft picks in the last 12 years didn’t make the Sox farm thin.

 

Houston chose Mark Appel and Brady Aiken in consecutive years as the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK in the entire draft and both completely busted almost immediately. Yet somehow they keep churning out quality pitching…

 

There are many hits and misses among pitching draftees, even the highest of the high, but the point remains, our team has really sucked finding and developing young pitchers for over a decade. We may soon be closing in on being closer to 2 decades than 1.

[moonslav59]

Why hasn’t Bloom brought over developmental guys from TBR?

 

I've asked this before.

 

Wonerment.

[notin]

There are many hits and misses among pitching draftees, even the highest of the high, but the point remains, our team has really sucked finding and developing young pitchers for over a decade. We may soon be closing in on being closer to 2 decades than 1.

 

And the reason the Sox have produced so few pitchers in that time, whatever it is, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT because 2 draft picks in a 12 year stretch didn’t work out….

[mvp 78]

I've asked this before.

 

Wonerment.

 

I asked it before.

 

Wonerment?

[mvp 78]

And the reason the Sox have produced so few pitchers in that time, whatever it is, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT because 2 draft picks in a 12 year stretch didn’t work out….

 

Agree.

[moonslav59]

I asked it before.

 

Wonerment?

 

meant wonderment.

[Hugh2]

Sox wanted Jordan Lawlar, pick #6. https://www.milb.com/player/jordan-lawlar-691783

 

Lawlar looks like a stud too. It might be fun watching him and Mayer pick it for years to come

[Hugh2]

So Bloom still wouldn’t have taken a pitcher?

 

What pitcher should he have taken at 4? mozzicato? Bachman? Lawlar is twice the prospect as both those arms and a stud. There were some who thought Lawlar could of been better than Mayer and was a candidate to go 1-1.

[moonslav59]

Top pitchers selected in drafts since 2012 (top 20 picks listed only):

2012:

4 Gausman

5 Kyle Zimmer

7 Max Fried

8 Mark Appel

14 Nick Travieso

16 Lucas Giolito

19 Wacha

20 Chris Stratton

 

2021:

1 Appel

3 Jon Gray

4 Kohl Stewart

7 Trey Ball

10 Phil Bickford

15 Braden Shipley

18 Chris Anderson

19 Marco Gonzales

20 Jonathon Crawford

 

2014:

1 Brady Aiken

2 Tyler Kolek

7 Aaron Nola

8 Kyle Freeland

9 Jeff Hoffman

12 Kodi Medeiros

14 Tyler Beeded

15 Sean Newcomb

16 Touki Toussaint

17 Brandon Finnegan

18 Erick Fedde

19 Nick Howard

 

2015:

3 Dillon Tate

6 Tyler Jay

8 Carson Fulmer

14 Kolby Allard

16 J Kaprielian

17 B Aiken

18 Bickford

 

2016:

3 Ian Anderson

4 Riley Pint

6 AJ Puk

7 B Garrett

8 C Quantrill

9 M Manning

12 Jason Groome

17 F Whitley

19 J Dunn

 

2017:

2 H Greene

3 M Gore

4 B McKay

12 S Baz

13 T Rogers

15 Bukauskas

16 C Schmidt

18 A Faedo

20 D Peterson

 

2018:

1. Casey Mize

7 Ryan Weathers

8 Carter Stewart

11 Grayson Rodriguez

14 Logan Gilbert

15 C Winn

16 Liberatore

18 B Singer

 

2019:

7 N Lodolo

11 Manoah

17 J Rutledge

18 Q Priester

19 Z Thompson

20 G Kirby

 

2020:

3 Max Meyer

4 Asa Lacy

6 Emerson Hancock

19 Reid Detmers

11 G Crochet

15 M Abel

18 B Jarvis

 

2021:

2 Leiter

3 J Jobe

7 Mozzicato

9 Bachman

10 Rocker

13 Painter

14 Bednar

18 McGreevy

19 Hoglund

 

 

 

 

[vegasbob]

Out of the 84 pitchers listed by Moon, how many are still on MLB rosters ( some still working their way in) ? Very few recognizable names that went on or about to have a career in MLB. Maybe 6 or 7

[notin]

meant wonderment.

 

But you chocked…

[notin]

Having an ace at the top of the rotation means so much more than trying to win the World Series this year.

 

You don't wait until you have a decent core of position players to fill the spot that comprises about 70% of a ballclub's fortunes (as legend would have it).

 

It's arguable that the first position to fill in a rebuild is #1 starter. Everything starts with your starters. They're not called finishing touches.

 

A great ace is called a stopper because he prevents losing streaks. He keeps the team in the game every five days and provides innings, which in turn saves the bullpen to help win others' starts. No one wins with just a deep staff of #4 and #5 guys.

 

The ace sets the tone, and establishes a winning culture. Get yours today!

 

Most #1 starters (definition pending) have a shorter shelf life than position players. Start there and the #1 starter might be a #3 by the time you put a team around him…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Most #1 starters (definition pending) have a shorter shelf life than position players. Start there and the #1 starter might be a #3 by the time you put a team around him…

 

Right. You still have to outscore opponents to win, but a shutdown starter can at least bring a team back to respectability.

 

This Boston rotation -- leading the majors in HRs allowed -- has been kinda disrespectful to Sox fans so far...

[jad]

Shouldn't even Bloom-ball be able to compete with the lowest-paid team in the league?

[Bellhorn04]

I know everyone has this thought lurking somewhere in their mind.

 

If this team is even worse than the 2022 team, is Bloom gone?