The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

As of now the Cot's Contracts estimate of our 2022 payroll for tax purposes is about $199,000 - $11,000 under the 2021 first threshold. That includes Paxton. But of course we don't even know what the 2022 tax brackets will be.

 

Then, add Rich Hill's contract and we'll be at the point where, if we are staying under the 2021 tax line, we'll want to save the rest for possible deadline additions.

 

Wacha

Paxton

Hill

 

I doubt this is what anyone expected.

[moonslav59]

Dylan Bundy to the Twins for $5M/1.

 

Mariners looking at Story.

[Noles_1335]

Is there anyone else with major question marks or pushing the age of 40…. If so Bloom will be on the other end of that phone call!

[moonslav59]

Is there anyone else with major question marks or pushing the age of 40…. If so Bloom will be on the other end of that phone call!

 

Verlander is gone.

 

Greinke is still there.

 

Is Lester still out there?

 

[Old Red]

Then, add Rich Hill's contract and we'll be at the point where, if we are staying under the 2021 tax line, we'll want to save the rest for possible deadline additions.

 

Wacha

Paxton

Hill

 

I doubt this is what anyone expected.

 

This is what everyone should have expected. Maybe not these 3 guys, but 3 guys just like them. Kennedy, and Bloom made it very clear after the season they would be following the same plan as last year, which I took to meant no big long term contracts,and signing guys like the three pitches they just signed. I know I sound like a broken record on this, but this was what was implied to me would be happening. I know there were hopes of bigger things to come, but so far they have stuck to what they said they would do. Last years plan.

[oldtimer]

Verlander is gone.

 

Greinke is still there.

 

Is Lester still out there?

 

 

Stroman as well.

[moonslav59]

Stroman as well.

 

He has a lot of question marks or is pushing 40?

[notin]

This is what everyone should have expected. Maybe not these 3 guys, but 3 guys just like them. Kennedy, and Bloom made it very clear after the season they would be following the same plan as last year, which I took to meant no big long term contracts,and signing guys like the three pitches they just signed. I know I sound like a broken record on this, but this was what was implied to me would be happening. I know there were hopes of bigger things to come, but so far they have stuck to what they said they would do. Last years plan.

 

Well, would you prefer a Sox team that signed no big deals and went to the ALCS? Or do you like the Yankee way of stacking up big contact after big contract with Stanton and Cole and Hicks and LeMahieu and Chapman, all so they can play one playoff game and lose it?

[Old Red]

Well, would you prefer a Sox team that signed no big deals and went to the ALCS? Or do you like the Yankee way of stacking up big contact after big contract with Stanton and Cole and Hicks and LeMahieu and Chapman, all so they can play one playoff game and lose it?

 

I’m just saying that the way the Sox are handling this off season is what everyone SHOULD have expected doing the same kind of deals they did last year, because of what Sam Kennedy said at the end of the year, so I don’t know how the Yankees do business has anything to do with how the Sox do business. I did not say this is what I would do, but only gave an opinion on what Sam Kennedy said that I guess no one else heard, or just continue to ignore, and up to now they are pretty much doing what Sam Kennedy said. It wasn’t that hard to understand what he said.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Well, would you prefer a Sox team that signed no big deals and went to the ALCS? Or do you like the Yankee way of stacking up big contact after big contract with Stanton and Cole and Hicks and LeMahieu and Chapman, all so they can play one playoff game and lose it?

 

But can we go to the ALCS in 2022 with no big deals signed?

 

In theory, if Paxton's option is given, we've already spent about as much as last winter.

$35M Paxton

$7M Wacha

$__M R Hill

(Plus, we just gave Vaz his $7M option and extended Barnes during the season.)

 

The real test will come, next winter, when JD, Eovaldi, Bogey, Kike, Vaz and Wacha all come off the books (assuming no extensions). Price comes off the books. Devers and Renfroe will be entering their final arb years in 2023, too. Just to stay even, we'll have to spend bigly.

Edited December 2, 2021 by moonslav59

[a700hitter]

Then, add Rich Hill's contract and we'll be at the point where, if we are staying under the 2021 tax line, we'll want to save the rest for possible deadline additions.

 

Wacha

Paxton

Hill

 

I doubt this is what anyone expected.

Bloom is collecting broken down Jalopies.

[notin]

Bloom is collecting broken down Jalopies.

 

His moves excite no one, but a lot of people were critical of his plan last off-season and a lot of people were critical of him at the trade deadline, and yet the team turned out pretty good. Maybe he knows something about these jalopies we don’t?

[Old Red]

His moves excite no one, but a lot of people were critical of his plan last off-season and a lot of people were critical of him at the trade deadline, and yet the team turned out pretty good. Maybe he knows something about these jalopies we don’t?

 

You keep talking about last year, and things turned out pretty well with almost a trip to the WS, but last year is over, and it doesn’t mean the same thing will happen again this year.

[Oscars]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/red-sox-brewers-swap-hunter-renfroe-jackie-bradley-jr.html

 

JBJ coming back to the Red Sox!

[RedSoxNC84]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/red-sox-brewers-swap-hunter-renfroe-jackie-bradley-jr.html

 

JBJ coming back to the Red Sox!

 

That's an interesting move.

[a700hitter]

His moves excite no one, but a lot of people were critical of his plan last off-season and a lot of people were critical of him at the trade deadline, and yet the team turned out pretty good. Maybe he knows something about these jalopies we don’t?

Or maybe they will be as good as Martin Perez and Garret Richards.

[notin]

Or maybe they will be as good as Martin Perez and Garret Richards.

 

Possible. Of course both had extremely strong stretches with the Sox. Especially Richards once he moved to the bullpen. And the Sox DID get very far in the postseason with those guys on the roster, so it’s not like they prevented anything.

 

 

I think the plan for Hill is to last until Paxton is ready. Then his ever-present blisters can come back…

[a700hitter]

Possible. Of course both had extremely strong stretches with the Sox. Especially Richards once he moved to the bullpen. And the Sox DID get very far in the postseason with those guys on the roster, so it’s not like they prevented anything.

 

 

I think the plan for Hill is to last until Paxton is ready. Then his ever-present blisters can come back…

so we will put you in column of people who liked those acquisitions. I’m not joining you.

[harmony]

Ten days ago who would have thought that, despite a flurry of MLB free agent signings, the Red Sox would have signed only Michael Wacha, James Paxton, Christin Stewart and Rob Refsynder before the pending lockout?

 

It's only December 1 but the early results have been unexpected if not underwhelming.

The returns of Rich Hill and Jackie Bradley Jr. could salve the early offseason wounds.

 

Or not.

[notin]

so we will put you in column of people who liked those acquisitions. I’m not joining you.

 

I’m not up to “like” but I’m not quite at “hate to the point of panic.”

 

Like I said, sometimes he just knows something about these jalopies. I’m more in the “let’s see how this plays out” phase…

[Old Red]

I’m not up to “like” but I’m not quite at “hate to the point of panic.”

 

Like I said, sometimes he just knows something about these jalopies. I’m more in the “let’s see how this plays out” phase…

 

He knows about the jalopies (good analogy}, because that all he’s allowed to buy.

[Bellhorn04]

Then, add Rich Hill's contract and we'll be at the point where, if we are staying under the 2021 tax line, we'll want to save the rest for possible deadline additions.

 

Wacha

Paxton

Hill

 

I doubt this is what anyone expected.

 

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's all I can figure out about what we saw the last few weeks:

 

-The usual high payroll teams, Dodgers/Yankees/Red Sox, were very nervous about adding payroll because of the uncertainty about the new CBA. (With the exception of the new rich owner, Steve Cohen, who said 'Screw it, let's have some fun.')

 

-Players were anxious to sign before the lockout with whoever was willing to pay them.

 

-It was a perfect opportunity for teams like the Tigers and Rangers to sign guys without having to outbid Dodgers/Yankees/Red Sox. (Although the Rangers did nonetheless pay a ridiculous amount for Seager.)

[mvp 78]

Like I've said before, it's about strengthening players 20-40 on the roster. Bloom will do his best to not have to put guys like Brad Peacock out there.

 

I think an OF of Duran/Verdugo LF, Kiké CF and JBJ RF is very interesting. I think one of Duran and Verdugo is traded.

[Hugh2]

Like I've said before, it's about strengthening players 20-40 on the roster. Bloom will do his best to not have to put guys like Brad Peacock out there.

 

I think an OF of Duran/Verdugo LF, Kiké CF and JBJ RF is very interesting. I think one of Duran and Verdugo is traded.

 

If you trade Verdugo and you have both JBJ and Duran in your outfield you lose what you gain defensively in JBJ with Duran and you get almost zero production from your corners. I don't think Duran starts, and I don't think JBJ does either. I think he's your 4th outfielder.

[moonslav59]

If you trade Verdugo and you have both JBJ and Duran in your outfield you lose what you gain defensively in JBJ with Duran and you get almost zero production from your corners. I don't think Duran starts, and I don't think JBJ does either. I think he's your 4th outfielder.

 

Half of my suggested trades on BTV involve Duran.

[mvp 78]

If you trade Verdugo and you have both JBJ and Duran in your outfield you lose what you gain defensively in JBJ with Duran and you get almost zero production from your corners. I don't think Duran starts, and I don't think JBJ does either. I think he's your 4th outfielder.

 

Duran would be fine as a LF. Verdugo had a negative UZR in LF last season.

[Bellhorn04]

The defending American League champion Houston Astros have signed Justin Verlander and Hector Neris.

 

C'mon now, harms.

 

You're conveniently leaving out the subtractions of Correa and Greinke.

 

And yes, I realize they could still sign them, but that wasn't the point.

 

As of today, the Astros are not better than last year, they're worse.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom sure likes bringing 'em back, I must say.

 

In the last few months he's brought back Shaw, Iggy, Hill and JBJ!

[Hugh2]

Duran would be fine as a LF. Verdugo had a negative UZR in LF last season.

 

Duran was awful everywhere last year and maybe average in LF, but his bat was also awful. I don't think he's slotted to start right now, he still has to earn it and I wouldn't pencil him into the 26 man roster next year.