A Realistic View at 2022: Part I

[a700hitter]

Red Sox Decline Options On Martin Perez, Garrett Richards

 

The Red Sox have declined their $6MM club option on left-hander Martin Perez, per Alex Speier of The Boston Globe. He will instead receive a $500K buyout and head into free agency. Right-hander Garrett Richards will also have his $10MM option declined, per Chris Cotillo of MassLive. He gets a $1.5MM buyout on his way into the free agent pool.

Good moves. Both were terrible acquisitions.

[Old Red]

Also, sheer lunacy

 

At its best.

[a700hitter]

Per MLB Traderumors

 

J.D. Martinez Does Not Opt Out Of Contract With Red Sox

 

J.D. Martinez has declined to exercise the opt-out provision in his contract and will therefore remain with the Red Sox for 2022, as reported by Jon Heyman of MLB Network. His original five-year deal with the club prior to the 2018 season contained three opt-outs: after the second, third and fourth years of the deal. Martinez has now declined to opt out for a third consecutive year and will play out the final season of the contract on a salary of $19.35MM

 

Sorry if this has been posted already.......few media people were wrong....I still want Schwarber...

I am glad that JD will be back. He has been an elite offensive performer for years and should continue to be. He also doesn’t embarrass himself. Schwarber isn’t worth more than $14 million per year. He is extremely slow footed and he is an accident waiting to happen in the field. He embarrasses himself in the field.

[Old Red]

I am glad that JD will be back. He has been an elite offensive performer for years and should continue to be. He also doesn’t embarrass himself. Schwarber isn’t worth more than $14 million per year. He is extremely slow footed and he is an accident waiting to happen in the field. He embarrasses himself in the field.

 

Agree 100%, and some on here wanted to sign him to a lifetime contract. JD is a run producer. Flintstone Schwaber is not.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He is extremely slow footed and he is an accident waiting to happen in the field. He embarrasses himself in the field.

 

For a minute there, I thought you were describing a guy tripping over the bag jogging to the outfield before an inning...

[Old Red]

For a minute there, I thought you were describing a guy tripping over the bag jogging to the outfield before an inning...

 

That’s why they both shouldn’t play defense.

[Nick]

Agree 100%, and some on here wanted to sign him to a lifetime contract. JD is a run producer. Flintstone Schwaber is not.

 

And we don't make it as a wild card entry without him. Lifetime contract at $14M is not a terrible thing. He can hit.

 

So you think Bloom was an idiot for acquiring him? Glad he's in charge.

[moonslav59]

You’ve been talking about trading JD for weeks now. I would rather have JD for one more year than Fred Flintstone Schwaber. Schwaber can sign elsewhere, and the Sox can spend more to upgrade the pitching. Sorry for those that wanted to sign Schwaber to a lifetime contract, which was sheer lunessey.

 

I've waffled on the idea of trading JD.

 

The only reason I prefer Schwarber to JD is the age and less AAV.

 

I'm all for spending on pitching and only pitching.

[moonslav59]

Good moves. Both were terrible acquisitions.

 

The Perez signing looked like a great move after his first 11-13 starts. At that point, he had the best stats of the rotation, but then the wheels and frame cam off and fell apart.

[Bellhorn04]

I've waffled on the idea of trading JD.

 

The only reason I prefer Schwarber to JD is the age and less AAV.

 

I'm all for spending on pitching and only pitching.

 

Wins are wins. JDM is worth 3 wins.

[Bellhorn04]

I think Old Red is about the only poster on Talksox who actually dislikes Schwarber.

[moonslav59]

Wins are wins. JDM is worth 3 wins.

 

It's about next year and beyond, at this point.

[moonslav59]

I think Old Red is about the only poster on Talksox who actually dislikes Schwarber.

 

Schwarber has decent career numbers with RISP and men of base. That's not really why he has low rbi totals.

[Old Red]

I think Old Red is about the only poster on Talksox who actually dislikes Schwarber.

 

I don’t dislike Schwaber, but when people talk about lifetime contracts for a guy who has a high BA of 266,and has only had more than 71 RBI once I think that is way over the top. Like I’ve said before JD is a run producer, and Schwaber is not, and would not sign him to a multi year contract let alone a lifetime contact when money can be spent on a bigger need like pitching.

[Old Red]

And we don't make it as a wild card entry without him. Lifetime contract at $14M is not a terrible thing. He can hit.

 

So you think Bloom was an idiot for acquiring him? Glad he's in charge.

 

We don’t make it as a wild card entry without everyone on the team. What are you calling a lifetime contract? No I do not think Bloom was a idiot for signing Schwaber. He was a good addition, and about the only one left after the other teams had their picks. I would say the Braves won the picking contest with who they ended up with.

[Bellhorn04]

It's about next year and beyond, at this point.

 

I'm thinking about next year. I trust Bloom to think about the beyond.

[notin]

I am glad that JD will be back. He has been an elite offensive performer for years and should continue to be. He also doesn’t embarrass himself. Schwarber isn’t worth more than $14 million per year. He is extremely slow footed and he is an accident waiting to happen in the field. He embarrasses himself in the field.

 

Well, JD is only under control for one more season. And if the NL finally adopts the DH, he gets harder to retain…

[notin]

I don’t dislike Schwaber, but when people talk about lifetime contracts for a guy who has a high BA of 266,and has only had more than 71 RBI once I think that is way over the top. Like I’ve said before JD is a run producer, and Schwaber is not, and would not sign him to a multi year contract let alone a lifetime contact when money can be spent on a bigger need like pitching.

 

I am willing to bet no one has used the phrase “lifetime contract” as much as you have. A 4-year/$60mill offer is probably reasonable for Schwarber, and a very far cry from “lifetime” considering he’s still only 28…

[moonslav59]

We don’t make it as a wild card entry without everyone on the team. What are you calling a lifetime contract? No I do not think Bloom was a idiot for signing Schwaber. He was a good addition, and about the only one left after the other teams had their picks. I would say the Braves won the picking contest with who they ended up with.

 

He did not sign Schwarber. He traded for him.

 

We could also think of trading Renfroe or non-tendering him and move Verdugo to RF and have Schwarber in LF. If Shwarber costs $15M and Renfroe $7M, we'd be adding $8M for the swap out.

[moonslav59]

I'm thinking about next year. I trust Bloom to think about the beyond.

 

I trust Bloom, too, and I have said I doubt he's even considering a JD trade.

[Old Red]

I am willing to bet no one has used the phrase “lifetime contract” as much as you have. A 4-year/$60mill offer is probably reasonable for Schwarber, and a very far cry from “lifetime” considering he’s still only 28…

 

I’m not the one who said to sign him to a lifetime contract on here, because everyone was all giddy about him. 60 million is to much when pitching needs have to be addressed, and not to mention the Bogey, and Raffy contracts at some point in time.

[Old Red]

He did not sign Schwarber. He traded for him.

 

We could also think of trading Renfroe or non-tendering him and move Verdugo to RF and have Schwarber in LF. If Shwarber costs $15M and Renfroe $7M, we'd be adding $8M for the swap out.

 

Slip of the words when I said signed him, and not traded for him. The Sox defense was bad enough last year, and you want to make it worse by playing Schwaber in LF, which you have mentioned many times also. Schwaber is not coming back, so get over it. They won’t spend the money on him, and shouldn’t.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I am willing to bet no one has used the phrase “lifetime contract” as much as you have. A 4-year/$60mill offer is probably reasonable for Schwarber, and a very far cry from “lifetime” considering he’s still only 28…

 

... and yet, with $60 mil earned by age 32, why would anyone ever need to work again in his lifetime? How much is the interest alone on even $40 mil -- I really have no idea, and just threw out that number considering agent fees, taxes and living large expenditures.

[notin]

I’m not the one who said to sign him to a lifetime contract on here, because everyone was all giddy about him. 60 million is to much when pitching needs have to be addressed, and not to mention the Bogey, and Raffy contracts at some point in time.

 

The Sox aren’t going to meet their pitching needs via free agency with this class, are they?

 

They’ll probably bring back ERod and (against my advice) move either Houck or Whitlock to the rotation and let the other one close, and bring in relievers or minor league depth.

 

They should extend Devers and Bogaerts, but that might not affect anything this season, depending on when they do it and how the deal pays out (and how much is deferred). Of course, zero chance either deal happens until the new CBA is in place…

[notin]

... and yet, with $60 mil earned by age 32, why would anyone ever need to work again in his lifetime? How much is the interest alone on even $40 mil -- I really have no idea, and just threw out that number considering agent fees, taxes and living large expenditures.

 

Also he’s reportedly a very big tipper…

[moonslav59]

Slip of the words when I said signed him, and not traded for him. The Sox defense was bad enough last year, and you want to make it worse by playing Schwaber in LF, which you have mentioned many times also. Schwaber is not coming back, so get over it. They won’t spend the money on him, and shouldn’t.

 

Imerely suggested it as an alternative.

 

BTW, Renfroe is no plus in the more important corner OF position, so I'd say these two defensive OF's are pretty close to even:

 

LF Schwarber/Duran

CF Kike

RF Verdugo

 

LF Verdugo/Duran

CF Kike

RF Renfroe/Verdugo

[moonslav59]

I’m not the one who said to sign him to a lifetime contract on here, because everyone was all giddy about him. 60 million is to much when pitching needs have to be addressed, and not to mention the Bogey, and Raffy contracts at some point in time.

 

Nobody said sign him to a lifetime contract. You called or implied suggesting $14-15M x 4 or 5 years "lifetime- not anyone else."

[moonslav59]

The Sox aren’t going to meet their pitching needs via free agency with this class, are they?

 

 

Bring back ERod, trade for Montas and sign a decent RP'er.

Keep Houck and Whitlock in the pen.

Hope Seabold and some others can offer depth.

That might be all we get.

I hope it's better than that, but I'm thinking this might be the best we can expect.

[moonslav59]

Red Sox Exercise $7M Option on Vazquez.

 

There was a $250K buyout.

[Old Red]

Nobody said sign him to a lifetime contract. You called or implied suggesting $14-15M x 4 or 5 years "lifetime- not anyone else."

 

You are wrong, and someone did say to sign him to a lifetime contract weeks ago when the post season for the Sox were still going on, and that is the reason I have brought it up more than once. It is not something I have made up even though I’m not a big Schwaber fan.