Andriese, Rios and Santana

[Tedballgame]

If the Red Sox are really trying to put the best team on the field, there is no way that bums like Andriese, Santana and Rios should be on the roster. Putting in Andriese in any close game is like waving the white flag.

[Maxbialystock]

If the Red Sox are really trying to put the best team on the field, there is no way that bums like Andriese, Santana and Rios should be on the roster. Putting in Andriese in any close game is like waving the white flag.

 

One more time. Last night was the 12th straight game the Sox have played without a day off and they will play 7 more, for a total of 19 straight, before the ASG break.

 

Andriese was indeed tantamount to a flag of surrender, but only because the rest of the bullpen has been heavily taxed, which in fact is one reason why the Sox won 8 in a row.

 

And why blame Andriese or the bullpen or the pitching for that matter when the Sox lineup scored 2 earned runs in 11 innings? Without those 2 unearned Sox runs, the A's win in 9 innings.

 

And let's not forget that Workman miraculously held the A's at bay in the 10th and 11th innings, but the moribund Sox offense couldn't score either inning despite starting both with a man on 2b.

 

Santana was hitless last night in 5 at bats, and Verdugo was hitless in 6. I don't like Santana one bit, but he wasn't why the Sox lost last night. Oh, Dalbec was hitless too.

[Tedballgame]

I am not talking about last night. Look at the season! Andriese has an ERA of 5.70, Rios is 6.30 and Santana is hitting .174 and is not a smart player. Get rid of all of them.

[Nick]

Bottom line is we're up 2 and we had no choice but Andriese.

 

Not manager's fault. It's on Bloom.

 

Develop more bullpen arms for stretch run.

 

This is why you can't just sit on your ass and be complacent.

 

Need Plan B, C, D, etc.

[oldtimer]

Bottom line is we're up 2 and we had no choice but Andriese.

 

Not manager's fault. It's on Bloom.

 

Develop more bullpen arms for stretch run.

 

This is why you can't just sit on your ass and be complacent.

 

Need Plan B, C, D, etc.

 

Nick, I am with you in thinking the Sox should do everything they can to weed out the poor performers and try some different talent. Perhaps Bloom is required by ownership to stay below the cap so if that is the case, the Sox are somewhat limited. Andriese, Chavis and Santana are candidates for replacement but it appears only Chavis will be sent down before the All Star break.

[Maxbialystock]

I am not talking about last night. Look at the season! Andriese has an ERA of 5.70, Rios is 6.30 and Santana is hitting .174 and is not a smart player. Get rid of all of them.

 

Season is another story. Based on the season, they have hurt the Sox, and I would deep six all three. But I still trust Bloom and Cora on what they want to do with them.

[mvp 78]

If the Red Sox are really trying to put the best team on the field, there is no way that bums like Andriese, Santana and Rios should be on the roster. Putting in Andriese in any close game is like waving the white flag.

 

Why can’t they have 25 All Stars instead of just 5?!?!?!?

[Nick]

Nick, I am with you in thinking the Sox should do everything they can to weed out the poor performers and try some different talent. Perhaps Bloom is required by ownership to stay below the cap so if that is the case, the Sox are somewhat limited. Andriese, Chavis and Santana are candidates for replacement but it appears only Chavis will be sent down before the All Star break.

 

I think we just need little tweaking.

 

Part of it has been the health of our players.

 

Arroyo should be back and solidify the infield.

 

Brasier getting struck in the head has really hurt us.

 

Houck is just getting back.

Edited July 5, 2021 by Nick

[a700hitter]

I am not talking about last night. Look at the season! Andriese has an ERA of 5.70, Rios is 6.30 and Santana is hitting .174 and is not a smart player. Get rid of all of them.

The radio announcers were wondering why Rios is on the roster.

[Nick]

Santana has been shaky the last couple of games.

 

He almost ran over JD on a fly ball hit to JD. I haven't seen anything here about his dumb steal attempt last night.

 

Today he made a throw to third on a single that allowed the hitter to advance to second base. His throw wasn't even close.

 

It's one thing to be in a horrible slump. It's another to make mental mistakes.

[Larry Cook]

Maybe hang’em Chaim is concerned that if any of those 3 are dfa’d that we will lose them to other teams!

 

Our depth is shallower than a puddle.

[mvp 78]

The radio announcers were wondering why Rios is on the roster.

 

Lenny Dinardo spent the entire year on the 04 team’s roster. The bottom of the roster is rarely stocked by good players.

[mvp 78]

Maybe hang’em Chaim is concerned that if any of those 3 are dfa’d that we will lose them to other teams!

 

Our depth is shallower than a puddle.

 

Andriese would be claimed. Maybe Rios. Santana? Nope.

[iortiz]

Ríos could be useful. I would replace Santana with Duran. Chavis is useless as well and has to go, and Andriese should have been DFAed weeks ago.

[mvp 78]

Chavis is useless as well and has to go.

 

King ^

[moonslav59]

I'd have no problem DFA'ing any or all of these three, but I trust Bloom knows what he's doing.

 

I'm thinking Chavis might be on his last legs, too-- with the Sox.

 

I think we see some tinkering during the all star break.

 

We'll see more when Sale, Brasier and others are healthy.

 

By the deadline, we'll know what we need outside the system- most likely a RP'er and or 1Bman.

[Larry Cook]

I'd have no problem DFA'ing any or all of these three, but I trust Bloom knows what he's doing.

 

I'm thinking Chavis might be on his last legs, too-- with the Sox.

 

I think we see some tinkering during the all star break.

 

We'll see more when Sale, Brasier and others are healthy.

 

By the deadline, we'll know what we need outside the system- most likely a RP'er and or 1Bman.

 

In the meantime, how much does Cora use andriese and Rios? They serve up more meatballs than Olive Garden!

[sundvl20]

Im thinking sox could have a better santana soon playing 1st

[moonslav59]

In the meantime, how much does Cora use andriese and Rios? They serve up more meatballs than Olive Garden!

 

He uses them as little as possible.

 

With the allstar break coming, maybe he can push some others a little farther- knowing the break is coming.

 

He may want to give Barnes and Eovaldi a little extra rest.

 

I hope we don't have to use these two in any high or even medium leverage situation, but we're not the only team with struggling pitchers at the bottom of our pen

 

Hopefully, both will be gone real soon..

[notin]

Ríos could be useful. I would replace Santana with Duran. Chavis is useless as well and has to go, and Andriese should have been DFAed weeks ago.

 

1. Santana is a bench player. Duran won’t be called up to replace a bench player.

 

2. Chavis has maybe 27 days left as a member of the Red Sox…

[oldtimer]

I'd have no problem DFA'ing any or all of these three, but I trust Bloom knows what he's doing.

 

I'm thinking Chavis might be on his last legs, too-- with the Sox.

 

I think we see some tinkering during the all star break.

 

We'll see more when Sale, Brasier and others are healthy.

 

By the deadline, we'll know what we need outside the system- most likely a RP'er and or 1Bman.

I expect that Arroyo returns today and Chavis goes down and as you say, probably out if tradable. Arroyo may well be a longer term 2nd baseman for us.

 

I doubt if more happens while we are on the West coast. We could use additional BP help with Andriese in particular not useable.

 

We are also in need of a third left handed hitter in the lineup. Marwin is not hitting well enough to fill that need. That is hard to do unless we look for a long term left handed first baseman or we move Kike to first and bring up Duran. With Casas sitting in the wings for 2022 and beyond, I can't see us trading prospects for a left handed first baseman. Maybe trade away assets not in our long term plans for a half season rental.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I expect that Arroyo returns today and Chavis goes down and as you say, probably out if tradable. Arroyo may well be a longer term 2nd baseman for us.

 

I doubt if more happens while we are on the West coast. We could use additional BP help with Andriese in particular not useable.

 

We are also in need of a third left handed hitter in the lineup. Marwin is not hitting well enough to fill that need. That is hard to do unless we look for a long term left handed first baseman or we move Kike to first and bring up Duran. With Casas sitting in the wings for 2022 and beyond, I can't see us trading prospects for a left handed first baseman. Maybe trade away assets not in our long term plans for a half season rental.

 

Carlos Santana is a proven MLB batter who can hit homers and draw walks. His contract value was obviously too expensive for Bloom last December, and he's still owed another 10.5 mil through '22. No one is giving up a good prospect for the right to pay Carlos, but maybe KC is willing to sweeten a package if they throw in Michael Taylor, who is basically a low-budget Jackie Bradley Jr... Merrifield would command pieces Bloom is unwilling to give up.

 

I've been watching Duran on some WooSox telecasts and at times, he has looked baffled by offspeed stuff. One risk of calling up Duran before he's ready is MLB pitchers carving him up with dirtball change-ups; "the book" circulates fast in the bigs.

[mvp 78]

1. Santana is a bench player. Duran won’t be called up to replace a bench player.

 

2. Chavis has maybe 27 days left as a member of the Red Sox…

 

Who else would want him?

[moonslav59]

Who else would want him?

 

I think someone would take a chance on him for a 2 month rental making $6M+.

 

It's not like high K rates scare GMs anymore.

[notin]

Who else would want him?

 

He’ll go to some team with minimal offensive talent and an aging reliever to spare. I’m thinking Detroit, who uses Jonathan Schoop at 1b…

[notin]

Carlos Santana is a proven MLB batter who can hit homers and draw walks. His contract value was obviously too expensive for Bloom last December, and he's still owed another 10.5 mil through '22. No one is giving up a good prospect for the right to pay Carlos, but maybe KC is willing to sweeten a package if they throw in Michael Taylor, who is basically a low-budget Jackie Bradley Jr... Merrifield would command pieces Bloom is unwilling to give up.

 

I've been watching Duran on some WooSox telecasts and at times, he has looked baffled by offspeed stuff. One risk of calling up Duran before he's ready is MLB pitchers carving him up with dirtball change-ups; "the book" circulates fast in the bigs.

 

If healthy, Garrett Cooper is another candidate. However he might cost an actual prospect…

[mvp 78]

He’ll go to some team with minimal offensive talent and an aging reliever to spare. I’m thinking Detroit, who uses Jonathan Schoop at 1b…

 

Schoop is better than Chavis by a wide margin.

[moonslav59]

Schoop is better than Chavis by a wide margin.

 

It's about 2 months vs 5 years of team control.

[iortiz]

1. Santana is a bench player. Duran won’t be called up to replace a bench player.

 

2. Chavis has maybe 27 days left as a member of the Red Sox…

 

Santana has played a good chunk of games in Red Sox uniform. If they give Santana/Gonzalez/Chavis ABs to Duran, I'll take it in a heartbeat. Also and most important, if Duran splashes he will be a titular which is the of kind of "problems" this team wants to deal with.

 

You assume Duran will take a titular role when he is called up. It doesn't have to be that way necessarily specially in this 3 month season left. Look at Dalbec.

 

We have had this debate early. IMO Santana and Chavis have their days counted in this team. Who will replace them? My guess? Duran is a front runner candidate, that's for sure.

 

We'll see soon what Bloom has in mind though.

[iortiz]

It's about 2 months vs 5 years of team control.

 

 

Why would you like to control someone who will likely won't pan out?

 

I loved Chavis when he debuted. He didn't pan out well.

 

Unfortunately IMHO there's nothing else to evaluate in that tank. You won't get more from what you have seen.

 

If the Sox release Chavis it will speak volumes of his talent and expected future.