Andriese, Rios and Santana

[mvp 78]

It's about 2 months vs 5 years of team control.

 

Yuck. Chavis was to go for an aging reliever. I’d dump him for Schoop though.

[Tedballgame]

I would not give up on Chavis yet. He has power. He can still learn. Santana is not looking salvageable. Rios throws hard but should be in AAA if he has options. Andriese has to go. He has no talent at the major league level. Duran and Ort should be added to roster.

[Tedballgame]

Franchy Cordero has been killing it at AAA, hitting about .380 so he deserves a second look.

[iortiz]

Franchy Cordero has been killing it at AAA, hitting about .380 so he deserves a second look.

 

I have no problem with that. Give him another shot.

[dgalehouse]

The " When you know things are going well department": You know things are going well when most of the concerns/complaints are about the bottom two or three guys on the roster.

[notin]

Schoop is better than Chavis by a wide margin.

 

Schoop is also signed for 3 more months. He might not be in Detroit come August…

[mvp 78]

Franchy Cordero has been killing it at AAA, hitting about .380 so he deserves a second look.

 

Sure.

[mvp 78]

I would not give up on Chavis yet. He has power. He can still learn. Santana is not looking salvageable. Rios throws hard but should be in AAA if he has options. Andriese has to go. He has no talent at the major league level. Duran and Ort should be added to roster.

 

Ort struggles with command at times. It could be ugly for him in the bigs.

 

Chavis has power but can’t make contact.

[moonslav59]

Santana has played a good chunk of games in Red Sox uniform. If they give Santana/Gonzalez/Chavis ABs to Duran, I'll take it in a heartbeat. Also and most important, if Duran splashes he will be a titular which is the of kind of "problems" this team wants to deal with.

 

You assume Duran will take a titular role when he is called up. It doesn't have to be that way necessarily specially in this 3 month season left. Look at Dalbec.

 

We have had this debate early. IMO Santana and Chavis have their days counted in this team. Who will replace them? My guess? Duran is a front runner candidate, that's for sure.

 

We'll see soon what Bloom has in mind though.

 

Front and center is Kike and Arroyo playing FT.

[Larry Cook]

Schoop is also signed for 3 more months. He might not be in Detroit come August…

 

Detroit is building a power house team! They would probably be looking for at least two years out team controlled assets.

[moonslav59]

Detroit is building a power house team! They would probably be looking for at least two years out team controlled assets.

 

Yorke & Jordan

for

Boyd & Schoop

[Kimmi]

Why can’t they have 25 All Stars instead of just 5?!?!?!?

 

!!!

[Kimmi]

The " When you know things are going well department": You know things are going well when most of the concerns/complaints are about the bottom two or three guys on the roster.

 

!!!

 

If this is all we have to complain about, I'm good.

[moonslav59]

!!!

 

If this is all we have to complain about, I'm good.

 

If we replaced the bottom 3 with 3 all stars, there'd be a new bottom 3 being maligned.

 

[iortiz]

Front and center is Kike and Arroyo playing FT.

 

As I said, he does not necessarily has to take a titular role as some have suggested. Coming off the bench could be useful as well while increasing competitiveness in the team. Renfroe for example has been great all-in-all but he has cooled off recently. He could play in those situations and give a break to some players who are struggling.

[moonslav59]

As I said, he does not necessarily has to take a titular role as some have suggested. Coming off the bench could be useful as well while increasing competitiveness in the team. Renfroe for example has been great all-in-all but he has cooled off recently. He could play in those situations and give a break to some players who are struggling.

 

The thing is, struggling players need to play to get out of a funk, and who knows what day will be the day they begin to turn things around.

 

Some wanted Renfroe benched or platooned after the crappy April he had. Good thing Cora stuck with hm.

 

BTW, Renfroe is...

 

.849 last 28 days.

.862 last 14 days.

 

Others mentioned for being benched or played less often:

 

Kike

.876 last 28 days

.910 last 14

.963 last 7

 

Dalbec

.873 last 28 days

 

[moonslav59]

How would posters rank the bottom 6 on the 26 & and 9 on the 40 man roster?

 

I'd go something like this (worst first):

 

26:

Andriese

Santana

Rios

Wong

Marwin (not going anywhere)

Workman

 

40:

Andriese (no options)

Santana

Wilson

Rios

Chavis

Arauz

Potts

Marwin

Workman

[notin]

Why would you like to control someone who will likely won't pan out?

 

I loved Chavis when he debuted. He didn't pan out well.

 

Unfortunately IMHO there's nothing else to evaluate in that tank. You won't get more from what you have seen.

 

If the Sox release Chavis it will speak volumes of his talent and expected future.

 

He can take a seat next to Garin Cecchini…

[notin]

How would posters rank the bottom 6 on the 26 & and 9 on the 40 man roster?

 

I'd go something like this (worst first):

 

26:

Andriese

Santana

Rios

Wong

Marwin (not going anywhere)

Workman

 

40:

Andriese (no options)

Santana

Wilson

Rios

Chavis

Arauz

Potts

Marwin

Workman

 

A tad harsh on Andriese.

 

He is struggling now but had a terrific April and has had a career that shows he is better than this.

 

Quick trivia question: Who had more career fWAR coming into 2021 - Matt Andriese or Matt Barnes?

[Larry Cook]

How would posters rank the bottom 6 on the 26 & and 9 on the 40 man roster?

 

I'd go something like this (worst first):

 

26:

Andriese

Santana

Rios

Wong

Marwin (not going anywhere)

Workman

 

40:

Andriese (no options)

Santana

Wilson

Rios

Chavis

Arauz

Potts

Marwin

Workman

 

With sale, brazier and maybe Duran needing to be added to the 40 man roster soon(?). Which of these guys listed above can Hang’em Chaim package up as trade bait for a decent reliever without sacrificing too much depth in case of injury?

[moonslav59]

A tad harsh on Andriese.

 

He is struggling now but had a terrific April and has had a career that shows he is better than this.

 

Quick trivia question: Who had more career fWAR coming into 2021 - Matt Andriese or Matt Barnes?

 

Yeah, I'm always roasting people over small sample size judgments, and here I go...

[moonslav59]

With sale, brazier and maybe Duran needing to be added to the 40 man roster soon(?). Which of these guys listed above can Hang’em Chaim package up as trade bait for a decent reliever without sacrificing too much depth in case of injury?

 

He may decide who he won't protect Rule 5 and deal him or them.

 

If Chavis has any value, I think he's gone.

 

I'm wondering how much Bloom values some guys he did not acquire- prospects like Groome or Ward.

[Kimmi]

If we replaced the bottom 3 with 3 all stars, there'd be a new bottom 3 being maligned.

 

 

I get it. There is always room for improvement, and I understand fans' desire to improve the team. However, I think there is a lot more that goes into these decisions than what the fans are considering. As has been posted many times, I trust that Bloom and Cora know what they are doing.

[Kimmi]

Yeah, I'm always roasting people over small sample size judgments, and here I go...

 

The bottom line is that running a baseball team requires a lot of patience. Decisions cannot be made based on small sample sizes, particularly when there is no sense of urgency.

[moonslav59]

I get it. There is always room for improvement, and I understand fans' desire to improve the team. However, I think there is a lot more that goes into these decisions than what the fans are considering. As has been posted many times, I trust that Bloom and Cora know what they are doing.

 

I do, too, especially regarding long term team building.

[notin]

The bottom line is that running a baseball team requires a lot of patience. Decisions cannot be made based on small sample sizes, particularly when there is no sense of urgency.

 

Exactly.

 

A lot of people are extremely down on Andriese (very likely including Andriese himself). But at the end of the day, this complaint is starting to look like “the mop up guy struggles if we use him in crucial innings!!”

 

I don’t think the Sox are going to go all Jack Welch and remove the bottom 10%, but they will very likely be adding depth. Especially in the rotation, where the Sox starter depth is non-existent, and for a team with two starting pitchers (Eovaldi and Richards) who visit the Injured List more often than they visit their own mothers, this is just flat out unacceptable…

[notin]

He may decide who he won't protect Rule 5 and deal him or them.

 

If Chavis has any value, I think he's gone.

 

I'm wondering how much Bloom values some guys he did not acquire- prospects like Groome or Ward.

 

I think Groome is in play. Ward is a tougher sell than the Sham Wow…

[moonslav59]

I think Groome is in play. Ward is a tougher sell than the Sham Wow…

 

There may be a Rule 5 eligible player or two, we assume will be protected but Bloom may not be all that high on. They may be trade candidates.

 

Also, how much trade value does a guy like Potts have, now?

[notin]

There may be a Rule 5 eligible player or two, we assume will be protected but Bloom may not be all that high on. They may be trade candidates.

 

Also, how much trade value does a guy like Potts have, now?

 

 

BTV gives Pitts a surplus value of 2.4. The guy is a former 1st round pick, but he’s struggling so far this year, at least numbers-wise. He’s not going to get a game-changing player (unless said player is really expensive), but he’s not completely untradable either…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A tad harsh on Andriese.

 

He is struggling now but had a terrific April and has had a career that shows he is better than this.

 

Quick trivia question: Who had more career fWAR coming into 2021 - Matt Andriese or Matt Barnes?

 

Without looking it up, I'd say Matt A. since he was a starter; WAR always favors starters, because they record more outs than relievers (ostensibly, that is, since two quality starts may equate to about three or four weeks of late-inning set-up work).

 

Then again, was Matt A. ever a decent starter?