What does Frenchy have on the Red Sox

[Nick]

I felt the same way. Taylor had a good season a couple years back, and might have just needed time to regain his old form, but I still have my doubts about using him in high leverage situations going forward.

 

We don’t have many in -system choices that jump out at us to be called up, so it looks like we may be stuck with what we have until Brasier, Houck, Seabold and Sale return or the deadline.

 

I actually like the chances that 1 or 2 of the following pitchers will grow into a solid set up man:

 

Sawamura

Andriese

Hernandez

Valdez

Bazardo

Brasier

Taylor

 

I still have no faith in Brice.

 

Not sure why you think Andriese is so high, I don't think he's any better than Witlock. Have you seen Andrese's May numbers?

[moonslav59]

Not sure why you think Andriese is so high, I don't think he's any better than Witlock. Have you seen Andrese's May numbers?

Whitlock is not on my s***** Sox RPer list, but if you went by some posters methodology of you,re only as good as your last 1-4 games, he,d be bashed, too.

 

I trust Barnes- the guy nobody thought could ever be a closer.

 

I trust Ottavino enough.

 

I trust Whitlock enough, but his history is very short, and he’s being stretched out to be a starter or long man- not an 8th inning solid set up man.

 

The fact is, anyone Cora brings in for the 6th or 7th inning will lead to someone saying, “Why did he bring in a guy who has sucked.”

 

6 of the 9 have all sucked, and even Whitlock’s numbers in May are not great.

 

That’s my only point, besides not needing 6 s***** RPers on the 26 when 5 can give us the same.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And being appreciated by Mookie and Remy isn’t even remotely the same as being appreciated by casual fans and diehard fans, and even many advanced metric types.

 

If you poke around about Cordero, you can find he was also very much appreciated by scouts and MLB people for a long time for his defensive play and his offensive tools. But that hasn’t stopped anyone from being disappointed with him this year. Including you, who has called me out for reminding people that the guy has had better numbers before and at the MLB level. It’s not exactly fair to give players like Bradley credit for collegiate performance but disregard anything Cordero did in MLB just because it wasn’t in Boston...

 

Just getting around to this: I'm not calling you out for wanting to give a guy a chance. I just don't think the Bradley comps are fair; whether because of injuries or performance, Cordero has never been good for more than a very small sample in the MLB. JBJ is a below-average hitter, but has been a player of the week, a player of the month, an AL All-Star, an ALCS MVP, and won a Gold Glove... and has earned his rep for the past decade as one of the very best defensive outfielders in the big leagues.

[moonslav59]

Just getting around to this: I'm not calling you out for wanting to give a guy a chance. I just don't think the Bradley comps are fair; whether because of injuries or performance, Cordero has never been good for more than a very small sample in the MLB. JBJ is a below-average hitter, but has been a player of the week, a player of the month, an AL All-Star, an ALCS MVP, and won a Gold Glove... and has earned his rep for the past decade as one of the very best defensive outfielders in the big leagues.

 

I think the point was about JBJ having worse than horrific offensive numbers for a very long time at the start of his ML career. Many fans gave up on him, despite the great D. Many even gave up on him later in his career during one of his very long slumps.

 

We know Cordero is no GG, so I get how the comp is not a good one, but I guess the point was about just offensive bad slumps only.

[Bellhorn04]

The bottom line is, fans are impatient, whiny pricks, whose opinions are rightfully and thankfully ignored by team management.

[Maxbialystock]

The bottom line is, fans are impatient, whiny pricks, whose opinions are rightfully and thankfully ignored by team management.

 

Fan is short for fanatic, and talksox is a great outlet for periodic outbursts of Sox fan frustration.

 

That said, I believe I am right that using Andriese, whose May ERA in 5 appearances is 12.71, ahead of Sawamura, whose May ERA in 4 appearances is 3.60, was a mistake.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Maxbialystock

[Bellhorn04]

Fan is short for fanatic, and talksox is a great outlet for periodic outbursts of Sox fan frustration.

 

That said, I believe I am right that using Andriese more than Sawamura, especially in May, just doesn't make sense. Andriese has pitched in 5 games and 5.2 innings in May and given up 3, 0, 1, 3, and 1 run (s) with a monthly ERA of 12.71.

 

So my question is, why is there such a rush to defend Andriese as the right guy to send out there for a hold?

 

The team went into the season with more faith in Andriese for that role. If he continues to struggle, they will shuffle things.

 

It's nothing we haven't seen before.

[Maxbialystock]

The team went into the season with more faith in Andriese for that role. If he continues to struggle, they will shuffle things.

 

It's nothing we haven't seen before.

 

Andriese had a good April, I grant you. But he has hurt the Sox in May. Besides, I think he is throwing crap right now and Sawamura has better command and better stuff.

 

Andriese almost reminds me of Kimbrel in 2018 when he was the Sox highly paid closer and pretty good during the regular season. In the postseason he had 6 saves, but in 4 of them he gave up runs and scared the dickens out of us fans. His postseason ERA was 5.91. Kelly's postseason ERA was .78 and Barnes and Brasier had ERA's of 1.04.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Maxbialystock

[Bellhorn04]

Andriese had a good April, I grant you. But he has hurt the Sox in May. Besides, I think he is throwing crap right now and Sawamura has better command and better stuff.

 

And Sawamura may very well replace Andriese in that role.

 

Or Andriese may get back on form.

 

It's the nature of the game to have ups and downs.

[Kimmi]

But not if the Sox never thought they would contend. Not signing one of the many legitimate good-glove outfielders that were available and very affordable was a sure sign.

 

Maybe the plan was this: the line-up for an also-ran is the perfect place for an open audition for starting spots, especially for Bloom to see if one of his baubles develops into a gem. Remember, he said he's really looking forward to watching the next core emerge...

 

The "dilemma", as you and others have noted, is the Sox had the best record in baseball the first six weeks.

 

I believe that the Sox FO had moderate expectations of this team being able to contend. I'm sure they thought Franchy would perform better than he has up to this point and that the platoon of OF players would be sufficient to keep us competitive (which they have been). I think trading Beni will end up being a good move in the long term, but I didn't like it because it weakened our OF for this year. Either way, I would have liked another OFer in the offseason, but I understand the desire not to go over the luxury tax this season. At least not until the FO had a better idea of how the team would perform.

[Kimmi]

Speaking of OFers, with Renfroe's DRS of +8 and his UZR/150 of 22.1, who needs Mookie (currently with a DRS of 0 and a UZR/150 of -9.4) in right field?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Speaking of OFers, with Renfroe's DRS of +8 and his UZR/150 of 22.1, who needs Mookie (currently with a DRS of 0 and a UZR/150 of -9.4) in right field?

 

Renfroe in right leading the bigs in assists and runs saved means he's not going to left, maybe ever in Boston. His offense may scream platoon, but the Sox obviously value the regular D of Baserunner Hunter...

[moonslav59]

Who knew?

[jad]

The bottom line is, fans are impatient, whiny pricks, whose opinions are rightfully and thankfully ignored by team management.

 

Ha ha! Correct. (Except when management realizes that the fans pay the bills; ... or maybe they don't! The advertisers, with no clue as to what their potential customers think, pay the bills.)

[Kimmi]

Renfroe in right leading the bigs in assists and runs saved means he's not going to left, maybe ever in Boston. His offense may scream platoon, but the Sox obviously value the regular D of Baserunner Hunter...

 

Our OF defense has been surprisingly good so far this season. Even JD in left field has looked pretty good.

[notin]

Just getting around to this: I'm not calling you out for wanting to give a guy a chance. I just don't think the Bradley comps are fair; whether because of injuries or performance, Cordero has never been good for more than a very small sample in the MLB. JBJ is a below-average hitter, but has been a player of the week, a player of the month, an AL All-Star, an ALCS MVP, and won a Gold Glove... and has earned his rep for the past decade as one of the very best defensive outfielders in the big leagues.

 

And Bradley received and deserved all those accolades. But he only got them because the Sox didn’t give up on him as quickly as many fans did. And one could argue that the Sox were in the process of doing so, as it was during Bradleystruggles that they signed Rusney Castillo and moved Betts to CF...

[Bellhorn04]

Bradley was a highly-touted homegrown prospect. Cordero was a mystery man tossed into a trade in which we got 4 other properties.

[moonslav59]

Bradley was a highly-touted homegrown prospect. Cordero was a mystery man tossed into a trade in which we got 4 other properties.

 

Actually 5: Cordero, Winckowski and 3 PTBNL plus salary relief.

[notin]

Bradley was a highly-touted homegrown prospect. Cordero was a mystery man tossed into a trade in which we got 4 other properties.

 

So therefore Cordero doesn’t deserve a reasonable chance?

[Bellhorn04]

So therefore Cordero doesn’t deserve a reasonable chance?

 

Some players' reasonable chances are more limited than others. Some deserve longer or shorter ropes. I don't think that's a controversial position.

[moonslav59]

Some players' reasonable chances are more limited than others. Some deserve longer or shorter ropes. I don't think that's a controversial position.

 

That is for sure, but I think the question is has Cordero's leash been too long based on his skill set and scattered sample sizes of okay numbers?

 

I'd argue it was just about right, and had we had players ready to play, maybe he'd have been sent down to AAA to work out his issues a week or 2 ago.

 

IMO, he deserved a pretty long look. Not having an extra sub on the bench to PH or replace him late in games hurt his image.

[mvp 78]

Speaking of OFers, with Renfroe's DRS of +8 and his UZR/150 of 22.1, who needs Mookie (currently with a DRS of 0 and a UZR/150 of -9.4) in right field?

 

Renfroe is good defensively. He'd be better offensively if he was in a strict platoon.

[mvp 78]

Renfroe in right leading the bigs in assists and runs saved means he's not going to left, maybe ever in Boston. His offense may scream platoon, but the Sox obviously value the regular D of Baserunner Hunter...

 

If he's going to play everyday, they need to plug the other offensive struggles against RHP (1B/LF). Then you can keep him for his defense, I guess...

[mvp 78]

Bradley was a highly-touted homegrown prospect. Cordero was a mystery man tossed into a trade in which we got 4 other properties.

 

Not yet.

[mvp 78]

That is for sure, but I think the question is has Cordero's leash been too long based on his skill set and scattered sample sizes of okay numbers?

 

I'd argue it was just about right, and had we had players ready to play, maybe he'd have been sent down to AAA to work out his issues a week or 2 ago.

 

IMO, he deserved a pretty long look. Not having an extra sub on the bench to PH or replace him late in games hurt his image.

 

No, having a .450 OPS is what hurt his image.

 

He had an OPS of 770 after his first 10 games. He struggled mightily after then. He's bottom 3% in whiff% and same in k%.

[notin]

Some players' reasonable chances are more limited than others. Some deserve longer or shorter ropes. I don't think that's a controversial position.

 

 

While you’re being vague, it looks like you’re supporting Bradley deserving over 500 PA to prove himself because he was good in college and the minors while Cordero and his .737 OPS in the majors gets 90 PA...

[mvp 78]

While you’re being vague, it looks like you’re supporting Bradley deserving over 500 PA to prove himself because he was good in college and the minors while Cordero and his .737 OPS in the majors gets 90 PA...

 

If Cordero had JBJ's glove, he'd be worth a longer look.

[Bellhorn04]

Not yet.

 

You don't consider a PTBNL a property until they're named?

[moonslav59]

No, having a .450 OPS is what hurt his image.

 

He had an OPS of 770 after his first 10 games. He struggled mightily after then. He's bottom 3% in whiff% and same in k%.

 

I'm not defending Cordero's performance. He has sucked.

 

It seemed a lot worse watching him come up, late in games, in key situations and strike out.

 

Had we PH Chavis for him, it wouldn't seem as bad.

 

[mvp 78]

You don't consider a PTBNL a property until they're named?

 

It's a piece of paper right now.