A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[Bellhorn04]

Not if we extend him first.

 

What would you offer?

[notin]

Not if we extend him first.

 

I actually hope they prioritize extending Bogaerts first...

[moonslav59]

What would you offer?

 

$14M x 3, then maybe counter with a 4th year option with a$3M buyout, making it $15M x 3.

[moonslav59]

I actually hope they prioritize extending Bogaerts first...

 

Agreed, but I thinkBloom can walk and chew gum.

[mvp 78]

BTV accepted these trades:

 

R Hernandez, Groome, Ward & Chavis (16.6)

to DET for

Boyd, Schoop & Cisnero (12.8)

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Mata, Groome, Rosario & Chavis (18.9)

to KCR for

S Barlow (3+ yrs), C Santana , D Duffy & $2M. (19.5)(18.9)

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R Hernandez & M Wilson

to TEX for Gibson

Groome, Ward & Chavis

to COL for Gray & Cron

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Chavis is too highly valued on BTV. That's a cheat code putting him in.

[notin]

Agreed, but I thinkBloom can walk and chew gum.

 

 

A skillset that would make him the lamest superhero ever...

[notin]

Chavis is too highly valued on BTV. That's a cheat code putting him in.

 

Well, he has power, years of control, and makes no money. And could start on a few small market teams.

 

But yes, he is not going to be a highly sought-after commodity. Possibly not even a lowly sought-after commodity...

[moonslav59]

Chavis is too highly valued on BTV. That's a cheat code putting him in.

 

It’s down to 1.7, now, and my deals were all plus to the other team by more than that.

[mvp 78]

Well, he has power, years of control, and makes no money. And could start on a few small market teams.

 

But yes, he is not going to be a highly sought-after commodity. Possibly not even a lowly sought-after commodity...

 

Which is why he is overvalued on BTV.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Which is why he is overvalued on BTV.

 

And in the media; Bradford just wrote a column pushing a Chavis for Anthony Rizzo swap. Rizzo may be a rental, but his TV is 10 times higher...

[oldtimer]

There has been a lot of talk about Duran and his place on the Sox going forward, as the CF of the future. There has been a strong pushback on the site since we don't really need a CF now with Kike doing the job quite well. Why then remove Duran's name from Olympic consideration? Another possibility occurred to be. Perhaps the Sox have offered him as a trade chip as part of a deal to get either pitching or a left handed first base bat. Those are the two areas of greatest need if the Sox plan to go for it all this year. It seems to go against Bloom's approach of strengthening the team through prospect development. Other's are suggesting Houck as a trade chip so moving Duran doesn't sound so outlandish in that light.

[moonslav59]

Which is why he is overvalued on BTV.

 

1.7 may be over-valued, but he's not really a negative value, so it can't be by that much.

 

I think they had him at around 6 earlier in the year. That was way too high.

[moonslav59]

There has been a lot of talk about Duran and his place on the Sox going forward, as the CF of the future. There has been a strong pushback on the site since we don't really need a CF now with Kike doing the job quite well. Why then remove Duran's name from Olympic consideration? Another possibility occurred to be. Perhaps the Sox have offered him as a trade chip as part of a deal to get either pitching or a left handed first base bat. Those are the two areas of greatest need if the Sox plan to go for it all this year. It seems to go against Bloom's approach of strengthening the team through prospect development. Other's are suggesting Houck as a trade chip so moving Duran doesn't sound so outlandish in that light.

 

Perhaps he is just their best option, in case an OF'er gets hurt?

 

Maybe he gets called up, if Arroyo gets hurt, again (Kike to 2B).

[Kimmi]

So, what you are saying is pitchers adjust and batter never counter adjust? What's the time period allowed for the batter to adjust to the pitcher's adjustment?

 

It looks, to me, like .830 over his last 80 PAs might be a sign he has counter-adjusted, but if you want to use his tiny last 7 day sample size, maybe he has not adjusted well enough.

 

Who know what Dalbec will become?

 

Is 350 PAs to start a career enough to know?

 

Being in first place makes it harder to give a kid a longer look, but I think Sox management sees something in Dalbec enough to not want to give up just yet.

 

I was for demoting him a while back, so it's not like I don't understand the frustration and sense of urgency. I'm fine with us trading for a LH'd bat that can play 1B, even before the deadline, if possible, but I still think pitching and defense is our highest need area.

 

 

I like this post.

 

I know Dalbec and his strikeouts are frustrating, but he's fine hitting out of the 9 hole as long as the rest of our offense is doing its job.

 

A left handed platoon for him would be a good pick up, but I would not give up on Dalbec.

[Kimmi]

If that's the platoon Bloom envisioned, he's a genius if it works.

 

Bloom = Genius

 

The Bloom/Cora duo is approaching the level of Theo/Tito, which for me is saying a lot. Not there yet, but approaching.

[Kimmi]

… which he will exercise…

 

Nope. Don't think he will.

[moonslav59]

I like this post.

 

I know Dalbec and his strikeouts are frustrating, but he's fine hitting out of the 9 hole as long as the rest of our offense is doing its job.

 

A left handed platoon for him would be a good pick up, but I would not give up on Dalbec.

 

I also think sending him to AAA is not really "giving up" on him, but the thing is, we are supposed to be more competitive in the next few years, so how is giving him another long look next year going to go over any easier with this board?

 

If we send him down, now, he may never get another long look chance. This might be part of the decision-making, right now.

[moonslav59]

Bloom = Genius

 

The Bloom/Cora duo is approaching the level of Theo/Tito, which for me is saying a lot. Not there yet, but approaching.

 

A ring would help, but that might not be until 2022 to 2024.

[Kimmi]

There has been a lot of talk about Duran and his place on the Sox going forward, as the CF of the future. There has been a strong pushback on the site since we don't really need a CF now with Kike doing the job quite well. Why then remove Duran's name from Olympic consideration? Another possibility occurred to be. Perhaps the Sox have offered him as a trade chip as part of a deal to get either pitching or a left handed first base bat. Those are the two areas of greatest need if the Sox plan to go for it all this year. It seems to go against Bloom's approach of strengthening the team through prospect development. Other's are suggesting Houck as a trade chip so moving Duran doesn't sound so outlandish in that light.

 

I read somewhere that if Duran went to the Olympics, he would not be available until mid August, August 17 , if I'm not mistaken. While a callup no longer seems as imminent as it once did, that's a long time not to have a player available. I don't think they are planning to trade him. They just want him to be available, if needed.

 

That said, Bloom's moves are geared towards the long term. If he can pull off a trade that will help us short and long term, he would trade Duran. I can't see him trading Duran for a piece that will only help us this year.

[notin]

There has been a lot of talk about Duran and his place on the Sox going forward, as the CF of the future. There has been a strong pushback on the site since we don't really need a CF now with Kike doing the job quite well. Why then remove Duran's name from Olympic consideration? Another possibility occurred to be. Perhaps the Sox have offered him as a trade chip as part of a deal to get either pitching or a left handed first base bat. Those are the two areas of greatest need if the Sox plan to go for it all this year. It seems to go against Bloom's approach of strengthening the team through prospect development. Other's are suggesting Houck as a trade chip so moving Duran doesn't sound so outlandish in that light.

 

 

I think it’s unlikely Duran gets dealt, but there are probably a few players that couldn’t be had without including him (Jose Berrios, for example). Dealing Houck seems counterproductive since the Sox are going to need pitching depth.

 

I think Duran debuts later this year. There’s just no reason to rush promoting him right now…

[Kimmi]

I also think sending him to AAA is not really "giving up" on him, but the thing is, we are supposed to be more competitive in the next few years, so how is giving him another long look next year going to go over any easier with this board?

 

If we send him down, now, he may never get another long look chance. This might be part of the decision-making, right now.

 

My feeling is that we sink or swim with Dalbec this year. So yes, I agree that the decision making on Dalbec is this year.

[notin]

My feeling is that we sink or swim with Dalbec this year. So yes, I agree that the decision making on Dalbec is this year.

 

Dalbec might be on the block right now.

 

Several teams could still use him as a cheap controllable source of power at 3b…

[Kimmi]

A ring would help, but that might not be until 2022 to 2024.

 

Or it might be this year.

[moonslav59]

I think it’s unlikely Duran gets dealt, but there are probably a few players that couldn’t be had without including him (Jose Berrios, for example). Dealing Houck seems counterproductive since the Sox are going to need pitching depth.

 

I think Duran debuts later this year. There’s just no reason to rush promoting him right now…

 

If Bloom sees a roster crunch, this winter, especially with the 5-8 Rule 5 players who look like they might need to be protected, he may surprise us by trading 1-2 rule 5 candidates or players currently on the 40, like Potts, Rosario or Groome.

[notin]

Nope. Don't think he will.

 

I think his agent will advise him to…

[Kimmi]

Dalbec might be on the block right now.

 

Several teams could still use him as a cheap controllable source of power at 3b…

 

It's possible. I don't think it will happen, but it's possible.

[moonslav59]

Or it might be this year.

 

I like our chances at reaching the WS as much as any other AL team.

 

Once we get to the WS, our record is pretty damn good, but of course there's the whole "return to the mean" thingy that keeps getting in the way.

[moonslav59]

It's possible. I don't think it will happen, but it's possible.

 

I doubt we trade Dalbec for a rental. I don't think Casas is 2022 ready.

[notin]

If Bloom sees a roster crunch, this winter, especially with the 5-8 Rule 5 players who look like they might need to be protected, he may surprise us by trading 1-2 rule 5 candidates or players currently on the 40, like Potts, Rosario or Groome.

 

I go back and forth about how much Potts and Groome are really worth in a deal. Sure they could be dealt, but for what? Groome has that big name value based solely on his draft status, but that was so long ago and he’s barely logged a half season worth of IP since 2016.

 

I floated a Potts/Christian Walker deal on BTV a while back, and some DBacks fan liked the idea in the comments. But is it really something they would pursue?

[notin]

I doubt we trade Dalbec for a rental. I don't think Casas is 2022 ready.

 

Who said Dalbec had to go for a rental? And why would dealing him mean no one else could play 1b?

 

Dalbec to Colorado for Anthony Senzatela gives the Sox another SP with some control. And the Rockies are devoid of any talent up and down the organization at 3b. Dalbec is no Arenado, but he could provide some fun in that ballpark.

 

Then make a deal with Miami for Garrett Cooper or Jesus Aguilar at 1b. I like Cooper better…