Who should the Sox have play CF on opening day?

[moonslav59]

Would the Red Sox trade Dustin Pedroia for a token return?

 

We'd trade him for a bag of used balls, if the other team paid his contract.

 

YES!

[harmony]

We'd trade him for a bag of used balls, if the other team paid his contract.

 

YES!

And then the Red Sox could spend the saved money in a free agent market that yields poor returns on the dollar.

 

More likely than not, the Sox would be stuck holding another underwater contract.

[Bellhorn04]

And then the Red Sox could spend the saved money in a free agent market that yields poor returns on the dollar.

 

More likely than not, the Sox would be stuck holding another underwater contract.

 

What? You are being very opinionated today.

[moonslav59]

And then the Red Sox could spend the saved money in a free agent market that yields poor returns on the dollar.

 

More likely than not, the Sox would be stuck holding another underwater contract.

 

Could happen, but sometimes the contract only goes "underwater" after the first 2-3 years.

 

Plus, we have Bloom at the helm, now, so maybe we won't see as many big & bloated deals so much- for a while anyway.

[harmony]

What? You are being very opinionated today.

And then the power went out for an hour. That's a bad sign.

[mvp 78]

But do they see him as a $25 million player over the next 2 seasons?

 

This does not mean they give him away for free as some have suggested on here.

[mvp 78]

Would the Red Sox trade Dustin Pedroia for a token return?

 

Why do you need to hurt me like this?

[Bellhorn04]

Why do you need to hurt me like this?

 

He's a Mariners fan. Most days he's able to suppress all the bitterness that entails. Yesterday was not one of those days.

[mvp 78]

He's a Mariners fan. Most days he's able to suppress all the bitterness that entails. Yesterday was not one of those days.

 

One of my friends is a Sox/Mariners fan. He popped a beach ball in the CF bleachers at Fenway once. The season ticket holders around us cheered him. Everyone else booed him. He spent years being upset about losing that first Seahawks Super Bowl due to a holding call or something. Now he just spends his weekends burning his bitterness off by sleeping in the woods.

[harmony]

He's a Mariners fan. Most days he's able to suppress all the bitterness that entails. Yesterday was not one of those days.

Happy New Year!

 

Wishing you the happiness that engulfs me every day of the year.

[Bellhorn04]

Happy New Year!

 

Wishing you the happiness that engulfs me every day of the year.

 

Same to you harm.

[mvp 78]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rays-trade-rumors-kevin-kiermaier.html

 

It’s not an overly burdensome contract, but at a time when teams throughout the league are scaling back on payroll, it’s a notable chunk of cash. That’s all the more true when Kiermaier’s skill set is similar to that of free agent Jackie Bradley Jr. — a player who may not command as much as the two years and $26MM still owed to Kiermaier. Bradley would cost only money for a team seeking a center field boost, and while he’s not a great offensive player, he does have a steadier and more productive track record.

 

Also problematic is that while Tampa Bay’s trade of Snell to the Padres brought a huge prospect haul, a trade of Kiermaier might resemble more of a salary dump in terms of its return. Some interested teams may even ask the Rays to kick in a bit of cash to cover a portion of the remaining money owed to the 2015 Platinum Glover. For a player of his status in the organization, a straight salary dump would be a tougher sell both to the fans and to the clubhouse.

 

Given all that context, it’s perhaps not surprising to see MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweet that despite Kiermaier’s availability on the trade market, the chances of a deal coming together “aren’t great.” The Rays have already weakened their 2021 roster by trading away Snell and declining Charlie Morton’s option, and jettisoning Kiermaier for nothing of immediate value (on the heels of a World Series run) would only further diminish their hope of a return postseason bid.

 

Granted, some of the dollars that had been earmarked for Kiermaier could be invested back into the free-agent pool, but it’s extremely difficult to find a player with Kiermaier’s upside on the open market with the limited resources they’d save in dealing him away. Kiermaier has still topped seven WAR over the past three seasons combined, even with his bat on the decline, and in that aforementioned 2014-17 peak, he checked in at 21 wins above replacement.

 

Not only is Kiermaier’s ceiling higher than any replacement the Rays would bring into the fold, but the possibility of trading him for pennies on the dollar, only to watch him rebound and send his value soaring, looms larger in this instance. It’s a very different situation than moving Snell when his value was much closer to (or arguably even at) its apex.

[harmony]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rays-trade-rumors-kevin-kiermaier.html

 

It’s not an overly burdensome contract, but at a time when teams throughout the league are scaling back on payroll, it’s a notable chunk of cash. That’s all the more true when Kiermaier’s skill set is similar to that of free agent Jackie Bradley Jr. — a player who may not command as much as the two years and $26MM still owed to Kiermaier. Bradley would cost only money for a team seeking a center field boost, and while he’s not a great offensive player, he does have a steadier and more productive track record.

 

Also problematic is that while Tampa Bay’s trade of Snell to the Padres brought a huge prospect haul, a trade of Kiermaier might resemble more of a salary dump in terms of its return. Some interested teams may even ask the Rays to kick in a bit of cash to cover a portion of the remaining money owed to the 2015 Platinum Glover. For a player of his status in the organization, a straight salary dump would be a tougher sell both to the fans and to the clubhouse.

 

Given all that context, it’s perhaps not surprising to see MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweet that despite Kiermaier’s availability on the trade market, the chances of a deal coming together “aren’t great.” The Rays have already weakened their 2021 roster by trading away Snell and declining Charlie Morton’s option, and jettisoning Kiermaier for nothing of immediate value (on the heels of a World Series run) would only further diminish their hope of a return postseason bid.

 

Granted, some of the dollars that had been earmarked for Kiermaier could be invested back into the free-agent pool, but it’s extremely difficult to find a player with Kiermaier’s upside on the open market with the limited resources they’d save in dealing him away. Kiermaier has still topped seven WAR over the past three seasons combined, even with his bat on the decline, and in that aforementioned 2014-17 peak, he checked in at 21 wins above replacement.

 

Not only is Kiermaier’s ceiling higher than any replacement the Rays would bring into the fold, but the possibility of trading him for pennies on the dollar, only to watch him rebound and send his value soaring, looms larger in this instance. It’s a very different situation than moving Snell when his value was much closer to (or arguably even at) its apex.

MLB Trade Rumors columnist Steve Adams wrote that piece and added a reply in the comments:

Steve Adams3 mins ago

The Rays aren’t desperately trying to dump Kiermaier and in no world would they ever attach a prospect like McClanahan to him in order to shed the money.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rays-trade-rumors-kevin-kiermaier.html#comments

[mvp 78]

MLB Trade Rumors columnist Steve Adams wrote that piece and added a reply in the comments:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rays-trade-rumors-kevin-kiermaier.html#comments

 

ATTN: Moon

[vegasbob]

Would the Red Sox trade Dustin Pedroia for a token return?

 

Internet posters can treat players as faceless assets with assigned numbers. Real-life employers -- in and out of baseball -- have human considerations.

 

Not too many human considerations in professional sports

[moonslav59]

ATTN: Moon

 

He'll be traded. Book it.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

It will be JBJ if this article is any indication of what other teams think of him....this guy who wrote the article is all over a 1 yr deal for Jackie to either platoon or move to left or right. And I also dont think JBJ is going to be getting a lucrative 2-3 yr deal.

 

https://southsideshowdown.com/2021/01/01/chicago-white-sox-three-boston-red-sox-free-agents-consider/2/

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He'll be traded. Book it.

 

JBJ is waiting for his best offers that will come after Springer signs. The Rays are undoubtedly waiting for the same before trading KK, only their best return will be in bodies instead of bucks. Odorizzi is probably waiting for Bauer to establish the top end of the pitching market (to help define the next level down), while all the decent available second basemen are doing the same awaiting the landing spot for DJ. Free agent relievers are most likely waiting for the best one, Liam Hendriks, to sign.

 

And all the owners and GMs are waiting on vaccines to change the trajectory of Covid line graphs to give them an idea of when it will be ok to stop waiting...

[Kimmi]

It will be JBJ if this article is any indication of what other teams think of him....this guy who wrote the article is all over a 1 yr deal for Jackie to either platoon or move to left or right. And I also dont think JBJ is going to be getting a lucrative 2-3 yr deal.

 

https://southsideshowdown.com/2021/01/01/chicago-white-sox-three-boston-red-sox-free-agents-consider/2/

 

It might be in the best interest of JBJ and most other free agents to take a decent one year deal and wait until next offseason to try their luck at a longer deal.

[Kimmi]

JBJ is waiting for his best offers that will come after Springer signs. The Rays are undoubtedly waiting for the same before trading KK, only their best return will be in bodies instead of bucks. Odorizzi is probably waiting for Bauer to establish the top end of the pitching market (to help define the next level down), while all the decent available second basemen are doing the same awaiting the landing spot for DJ. Free agent relievers are most likely waiting for the best one, Liam Hendriks, to sign.

 

And all the owners and GMs are waiting on vaccines to change the trajectory of Covid line graphs to give them an idea of when it will be ok to stop waiting...

 

What a mess. Nobody knows when the season will start or how many games will be played. It's hard for anyone to do business when there are so many unknowns. I am betting that Bauer and Springer will be disappointed with their best offers.

[kenmeister]

What a mess. Nobody knows when the season will start or how many games will be played. It's hard for anyone to do business when there are so many unknowns. I am betting that Bauer and Springer will be disappointed with their best offers.

 

Let's grab Bauer and Springer on one year deals and be done with it. Well, that and a closer somewhere.

[Kimmi]

Let's grab Bauer and Springer on one year deals and be done with it. Well, that and a closer somewhere.

 

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

[moonslav59]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

LOL!

 

Dream on...

[dannycater]

Bradley will be back in CF....Okay, that's what I want but likely not to happen.

[mvp 78]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

Why would you only want them on one year deals if you're going to lose draft picks?

[notin]

Why would you only want them on one year deals if you're going to lose draft picks?

 

Can’t you offer them QO’s and get those draft picks back?

[mvp 78]

Can’t you offer them QO’s and get those draft picks back?

 

You can only offer a guy a QO once.

 

Clubs wishing to receive compensatory Draft picks for the loss of a free agent can make a one-year "qualifying offer," worth the mean salary of MLB's 125 highest-paid players, to their impending free agents prior to the onset of free agency if and only if:

 

1. That player has never received a qualifying offer previously in his career.

2. That player spent the entire season on that team's roster (in-season acquisitions are ineligible).

[oldtimer]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

That would violate Bloom's stated approach and as a result I think grabbing either is highly unlikely.

[Kimmi]

Why would you only want them on one year deals if you're going to lose draft picks?

 

I wasn't thinking of the QOs on those players, to be honest. I'm just thinking 'short term deal'.

[Kimmi]

That would violate Bloom's stated approach and as a result I think grabbing either is highly unlikely.

 

I don't see that happening either. The thought of a one year deal just got me excited. LOL