2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Still not sure that means Ozuna or Bauer are walking through that door...

 

Nobody seeking four- or five-year deals is getting signed here. Not when the longest in the Bloom era is Kike's two-year contract.

 

If Beni is traded -- for minor leaguers -- then the Sox will sign Rosario. The other outfielder will be Marisnick. Their salaries will combine for what JBJ gets somewhere else.

[moonslav59]

Nobody seeking four- or five-year deals is getting signed here. Not when the longest in the Bloom era is Kike's two-year contract.

 

If Beni is traded -- for minor leaguers -- then the Sox will sign Rosario. The other outfielder will be Marisnick. Their salaries will combine for what JBJ gets somewhere else.

 

We may just sign Pillar & Marisnick, if we trade Beni.

 

We may also just trade Beni for a CF'er.

[moonslav59]

This just in:

 

Chaim says staying under the tax threshold is 'not a firm mandate'.

 

I knew it!

 

Could still be a high priority, and only a great deal would create a situation where they decide to go over.

[moonslav59]

Here is our current pitching depth chart:

 

SP

Sale

ERod

Richards

Eovaldi

Perez

Pivetta

Houck

Whitlock

Mata

Seabold

Mazza

Hart

Gossett

Kent

Ward

 

RP

Barnes

Ottavino

Brasier

D Hern

Taylor

Brice

Andriese

Valdez

Brewer

Weber

Walden

Springs

Payamps

Bazardo

Gonsalves

Hall

Shawaryn

Grotz

 

Am I missing anyone with a shot at MLB in 2021?

Edited January 26, 2021 by moonslav59

[notin]

Nobody seeking four- or five-year deals is getting signed here. Not when the longest in the Bloom era is Kike's two-year contract.

 

If Beni is traded -- for minor leaguers -- then the Sox will sign Rosario. The other outfielder will be Marisnick. Their salaries will combine for what JBJ gets somewhere else.

 

The “longest deal in the Bloom Era” is now a standard?

 

The guy did sign Kevin Kiermaier to a longer deal than that. Just not on his first day...

[moonslav59]

The “longest deal in the Bloom Era” is now a standard?

 

The guy did sign Kevin Kiermaier to a longer deal than that. Just not on his first day...

 

Makes me wonder who will be his first large and long deal. (Will it be next winter?)

[notin]

Makes me wonder who will be his first large and long deal. (Will it be next winter?)

 

Or next week?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The “longest deal in the Bloom Era” is now a standard?

 

The guy did sign Kevin Kiermaier to a longer deal than that. Just not on his first day...

 

He didn't run the Rays when Kiermaier was inked. But Bloom was hired to run the Sox in 2019, and now it's 2021, a week away from February, when training for the next season begins.

[Nick]

He didn't run the Rays when Kiermaier was inked. But Bloom was hired to run the Sox in 2019, and now it's 2021, a week away from February, when training for the next season begins.

 

He was hired October 2019. Today is January 2021. At most he's been on the job for 14 months. He had to clean up the mess first. You must admit 2020 was unlike any other year.

 

Isn't he doing what he's always done? Make the team inch forward each day. He's rebuilding the farm system and on paper we're much better team. He's not made any move to hamstring us.

 

No albatross contracts given out yet much upside to them.

[kenmeister]

Bauer? No.

Ozuna? Again, no.

 

I really wouldn't be upset if I woke up one day and saw that either of those guys signed with the Red Sox. Just sayin'.

[kenmeister]

Here is our current pitching depth chart:

 

SP

Sale

ERod

Richards

Eovaldi

Pivetta

Houck

Whitlock

Mata

Seabold

Mazza

Hart

Gossett

Kent

Ward

 

RP

Barnes

Ottavino

Brasier

D Hern

Taylor

Brice

Andriese

Valdez

Brewer

Weber

Walden

Springs

Payamps

Bazardo

Gonsalves

Hall

Shawaryn

Grotz

 

Am I missing anyone with a shot at MLB in 2021?

 

Does this mean Houck starts the year in the rotation until Sale returns?

[mvp 78]

Does this mean Houck starts the year in the rotation until Sale returns?

 

Only if they are doing a 6 man rotation.

[mvp 78]

Here is our current pitching depth chart:

 

SP

Sale

ERod

Richards

Eovaldi

Pivetta

Houck

Whitlock

Mata

Seabold

Mazza

Hart

Gossett

Kent

Ward

 

RP

Barnes

Ottavino

Brasier

D Hern

Taylor

Brice

Andriese

Valdez

Brewer

Weber

Walden

Springs

Payamps

Bazardo

Gonsalves

Hall

Shawaryn

Grotz

 

Am I missing anyone with a shot at MLB in 2021?

 

Andriese and Mazza will start the year higher on the depth chart than Mata IMO.

[jacksonianmarch]

He was hired October 2019. Today is January 2021. At most he's been on the job for 14 months. He had to clean up the mess first. You must admit 2020 was unlike any other year.

 

Isn't he doing what he's always done? Make the team inch forward each day. He's rebuilding the farm system and on paper we're much better team. He's not made any move to hamstring us.

 

No albatross contracts given out yet much upside to them.

 

65% of the teams spend a lot of money now. The luxury tax has proven to be a tremendous hurdle to even the richest teams. There’s only a few truly impoverished teams that spend nothing. Two of those teams (Oakland and TB) keep finding ways into the playoffs because they don’t get hamstring on contracts and keep a very strong farm system.

 

This isn’t the old days when the Yanks spent way more than everyone and the Sox were second well above the rest. The dial has moved, the markets have changed and TV money has given every team enough capital to be competitive. Having cap space is important for filling out a roster, but you don’t team build through FA anymore. You build through trades or promotions and in order to do both, you need prospect capital. DD sold all of it to win in 2018, seemed indifferent to building it up again and when the jenga tower collapsed after 2018, there was nothing left to roster build. Bloom is doing exactly what he did in TB, except he has the finances to make a move like Ottavino and essentially buy a prospect.

 

Your farm is in a much better place, but it’s got a LONG way to go before it starts replacing gap fillers or expiring contract vets with cornerstone or even standard regular players. There is ZERO point for the Sox to spend like maniacs and blast through the Lux tax cap if you’ve got no prospects to fill the rest of your roster. I’ve said before that the Sox might not be regular PO contenders again til 2024. I truly believe that not because the Sox can’t spend, but because they need the sustainable farm production to roster fill and then they be can spend on their deficiencies. Right now, the holes are so big and the gap between prospect and big leagues so large that there’s no point to expedite the process

[Bellhorn04]

Could still be a high priority, and only a great deal would create a situation where they decide to go over.

 

I was thinking more like another pitcher and a CF'er putting us over by several million.

[Nick]

65% of the teams spend a lot of money now. The luxury tax has proven to be a tremendous hurdle to even the richest teams. There’s only a few truly impoverished teams that spend nothing. Two of those teams (Oakland and TB) keep finding ways into the playoffs because they don’t get hamstring on contracts and keep a very strong farm system.

 

This isn’t the old days when the Yanks spent way more than everyone and the Sox were second well above the rest. The dial has moved, the markets have changed and TV money has given every team enough capital to be competitive. Having cap space is important for filling out a roster, but you don’t team build through FA anymore. You build through trades or promotions and in order to do both, you need prospect capital. DD sold all of it to win in 2018, seemed indifferent to building it up again and when the jenga tower collapsed after 2018, there was nothing left to roster build. Bloom is doing exactly what he did in TB, except he has the finances to make a move like Ottavino and essentially buy a prospect.

 

Your farm is in a much better place, but it’s got a LONG way to go before it starts replacing gap fillers or expiring contract vets with cornerstone or even standard regular players. There is ZERO point for the Sox to spend like maniacs and blast through the Lux tax cap if you’ve got no prospects to fill the rest of your roster. I’ve said before that the Sox might not be regular PO contenders again til 2024. I truly believe that not because the Sox can’t spend, but because they need the sustainable farm production to roster fill and then they be can spend on their deficiencies. Right now, the holes are so big and the gap between prospect and big leagues so large that there’s no point to expedite the process

 

Yep....

[mvp 78]

I think that they have enough payroll flexibility in the coming years that they can be ready probably in 2022. I think being in WC contention is basically the same as being a PO contender. Are the Jays considered a playoff contender?

[Bellhorn04]

I’ve said before that the Sox might not be regular PO contenders again til 2024. I truly believe that not because the Sox can’t spend, but because they need the sustainable farm production to roster fill and then they be can spend on their deficiencies. Right now, the holes are so big and the gap between prospect and big leagues so large that there’s no point to expedite the process

 

You'll be made to pay for continued remarks like these, in some fashion.

[notin]

I think that they have enough payroll flexibility in the coming years that they can be ready probably in 2022. I think being in WC contention is basically the same as being a PO contender. Are the Jays considered a playoff contender?

 

Right now the Sox have a payroll of $205 million. That's a bit much to just sit back and let other teams make all the postseason money.

 

If they were actually rebuilding and taking seasons off, they would have traded away actual salary. They didn't. Bear in mind, even the Yankees did. Yet the Sox didn't.

 

Going over might not be a bad thing here. If the Sox make smart moves, they could certainly make the post-season this year...

[moonslav59]

Agreed, but I have Andriese in the pen and Mata as a SP'er. Some can be moved to the other list.

[moonslav59]

I was thinking more like another pitcher and a CF'er putting us over by several million.

 

If we trade Beni for low cost players, we can maybe add a CF'er & pitcher w/o going over.

[notin]

Agreed, but I have Andriese in the pen and Mata as a SP'er. Some can be moved to the other list.

 

Andriese has started 11 games in the past 3 years. He was not acquired to be anything but a bullpen arm/rotation depth...

[moonslav59]

Right now the Sox have a payroll of $205 million. That's a bit much to just sit back and let other teams make all the postseason money.

 

If they were actually rebuilding and taking seasons off, they would have traded away actual salary. They didn't. Bear in mind, even the Yankees did. Yet the Sox didn't.

 

Going over might not be a bad thing here. If the Sox make smart moves, they could certainly make the post-season this year...

 

We may wait and decide to go over at the deadline, or not, if we look to be out of it.

[mvp 78]

“I’ve shown a lot of flexibility in my career,” Andriese said. “I will compete for a starting spot, but I know being in the bullpen is also an option as well.”

 

If you told me he'd sometimes start games pitching 3-4 innings, I wouldn't be shocked.

[notin]

“I’ve shown a lot of flexibility in my career,” Andriese said. “I will compete for a starting spot, but I know being in the bullpen is also an option as well.”

 

If you told me he'd sometimes start games pitching 3-4 innings, I wouldn't be shocked.

 

That' has been a Very Rays Model for the past several seasons. But our current bullpen cannot compete with what they have had out there...

[kenmeister]

Only if they are doing a 6 man rotation.

 

Oh! moonslav is missing Perez.

[moonslav59]

Oh! moonslav is missing Perez.

 

Gotcha. I went back and fixed it.

[moonslav59]

Here is our current pitching depth chart:

 

SP

Sale

ERod

Richards

Eovaldi

Perez

Pivetta

Houck

Whitlock

Mazza

Seabold

Mata

Hart

Gossett

Kent

Ward

 

RP

Barnes

Ottavino

Brasier

D Hern

Taylor

Brice

Andriese

Valdez

Brewer

Weber

Walden

Springs

Payamps

Bazardo

Gonsalves

Hall

Shawaryn

Grotz

 

Maybe 8 capable, when healthy, SP'ers can and will be enough. If a lot goes right, maybe one can help the pen and a long guy or "opener." Maybe even one can be our closer.

[moonslav59]

MLBTR

 

Free-agent righty Masahiro Tanaka could be nearing a return to his native Japan

[jacksonianmarch]

You'll be made to pay for continued remarks like these, in some fashion.

 

I have been dead on the past 5 years or so. Baseball is clearly important to me and I am very excited for the Yanks, but so much of my life has changed that I can get a little bit past the pinstriped glasses and be a realist to a degree (fans are always at least a tick away from reality). I predicted your cliff. I am predicting the rebuild. And I will say that if Henry gives Bloom enough time, the rebuild will lead to a sustained period of excellence. If Henry tries to force it, you'll be relegated to the middle, which is death for team building long term