2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[notin]

i’d rather Use the extra money for pitching

 

Ozuna will cut much deeper into the pitching budget than Kike Hernandez...

[Kimmi]

We may focus more on building up the farm (Beni trade) and roster depth- both can improve our longer term outlook, while roster depth can help in 2021.

 

I do think we sign or acquire at least two players that will significantly help our 2021 roster and maybe beyond.

 

I am sure that building up the farm is the #1 priority. But as you said, we will still make some more moves that will help for 2021.

[oldtimer]

I am sure that building up the farm is the #1 priority. But as you said, we will still make some more moves that will help for 2021.

 

Let's start applying some of our farm to the majors this year as well. Downs, Casas and Duran have a shot as well as multiple pitching prospects. Will they see the majors this season and if so, who on the 40 man will be traded? Chavis, Beni, Dalbec? With that thought in mind, our FA acquisitions should be for relatively short term contracts. Hernandez for 2 is the latest hot rumor.

[notin]

Let's start applying some of our farm to the majors this year as well. Downs, Casas and Duran have a shot as well as multiple pitching prospects. Will they see the majors this season and if so, who on the 40 man will be traded? Chavis, Beni, Dalbec? With that thought in mind, our FA acquisitions should be for relatively short term contracts. Hernandez for 2 is the latest hot rumor.

 

I’d be very surprised if Casas made MLB this year. He’s only had 7 plate appearances in high A ball, and that’s the highest level he’s played. I even think Downs and his 48 at bats in AA would be rushed. And Duran probably needs to do something good above A ball before he gets promoted. His BABIP-fueled A-ball numbers did not translate to AA at all...

[harmony]

The Red Sox reportedly are in "active discussions" with veteran righthander Garrett Richards:

 

[Larry Cook]

The Red Sox reportedly are in "active discussions" with veteran righthander Garrett Richards:

 

 

Finally hang’em Chaim looking at pitching!

 

Looks like hang’em Chaim is graduating from kia’s to Chevy’s!

[oldtimer]

Finally hang’em Chaim looking at pitching!

 

Looks like hang’em Chaim is graduating from kia’s to Chevy’s!

 

Clearly Bloom has been looking at Pitching all along. We reportedly made a solid offer to Kluber but he chose the Yankees for other reasons. No need to criticize Bloom for lack of widespread trying.

[oldtimer]

I’d be very surprised if Casas made MLB this year. He’s only had 7 plate appearances in high A ball, and that’s the highest level he’s played. I even think Downs and his 48 at bats in AA would be rushed. And Duran probably needs to do something good above A ball before he gets promoted. His BABIP-fueled A-ball numbers did not translate to AA at all...

 

Boston sports writers think all of them will make it sometime in 2021.

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox reportedly are in "active discussions" with veteran righthander Garrett Richards:

 

 

If you get 10 IL pitchers it frees up 40 man space!

[Kimmi]

Let's start applying some of our farm to the majors this year as well. Downs, Casas and Duran have a shot as well as multiple pitching prospects. Will they see the majors this season and if so, who on the 40 man will be traded? Chavis, Beni, Dalbec? With that thought in mind, our FA acquisitions should be for relatively short term contracts. Hernandez for 2 is the latest hot rumor.

 

I'm not sure if any of those guys are ready. Keep in mind that I expect to be competitive in 2021, so I'm not really expecting to see any of those guys unless things go really south. Perhaps someone will surprise us though.

 

Hernandez is the exact type of deal that Bloom should be signing this year. I'm not saying that we'll win the WS like we did in 2013, but this is 2013 all over again in terms of the offseason.

[Kimmi]

Finally hang’em Chaim looking at pitching!

 

Looks like hang’em Chaim is graduating from kia’s to Chevy’s!

 

Don't worry Larry, Bloom has things under control.

[notin]

Boston sports writers think all of them will make it sometime in 2021.

 

More proof that I am right...

[notin]

The Red Sox reportedly are in "active discussions" with veteran righthander Garrett Richards:

 

 

Great. A guy who makes Eovaldi look like Hoss Radbourne.

 

Richards threw 207 IP in 2015, and only 198 IP combined since then...

[harmony]

Great. A guy who makes Eovaldi look like Hoss Radbourne.

 

Richards threw 207 IP in 2015, and only 198 IP combined since then...

FWIW Garrett Richards tossed more innings than Nathan Eovaldi in 2020.

 

Martin Perez was the only Red Sox pitcher who tossed more innings than Richards last year.

 

An update:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/01/boston-red-sox-garrett-richards-have-momentum-toward-deal-talks-with-free-agent-starter-evolving-though-other-teams-remain-involved.html

Edited January 23, 2021 by harmony

[a700hitter]

Don't worry Larry, Bloom has things under control.

i question whether he has his bowels under control.

[notin]

FWIW Garrett Richards tossed more innings than Nathan Eovaldi in 2020.

 

 

Not exactly a high bar. Do you not read my posts about Eovaldi?

[harmony]

Who can resist a fun comp?

 

32-year-old Garrett Richards is a 6-foot-2, 210-pound righthander taken out of college in the first round of the 2009 draft while 30-year-old Nathan Eovaldi is a 6-foot-2, 217-pound righthander taken out of high school in the 11th round of the 2008 draft.

 

Their career stats:

 

GR DOB 5-27-88 187 G, 128 GS, 804.2 IP, 3.62 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 8.6 bWAR, 12.1 fWAR

NE DOB 1-13-90 188 G, 169 GA, 966.0 IP, 4.27 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 96 ERA+, 10.7 bWAR, 12.9 fWAR

 

Their 2020 stats:

 

GR 14 G, 10 GS, 51.1 IP, 4.03 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 1.0 bWAR, 0.7 fWAR

NE 9 G, 9 GS, 48.1 IP, 3.72 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 126 ERA+, 1.3 bWAR, 0.9 fWAR

 

Steamer and ZiPS project Richards with 2021 WAR of 1.6 in 139 innings and 1.1 in 70.1 innings while projecting Eovaldi with 2021 WAR of 2.4 in 149 innings and 1.2 in 90 innings.

 

MLB Trade Rumors predicts a two-year, $16 million contract for Richards while Eovaldi is owed $34 million over the next two seasons.

Edited January 23, 2021 by harmony

[notin]

Who can resist an fun comp?

 

32-year-old Garrett Richards is a 6-foot-2, 210-pound righthander taken out of college in the first round of the 2009 draft while 30-year-old Nathan Eovaldi is a 6-foot-2, 217-pound righthander taken out of high school in the 11th round of the 2008 draft.

 

Their career stats:

 

GR DOB 5-27-88 187 G, 128 GS, 804.2 IP, 3.62 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 8.6 bWAR, 12.1 fWAR

NE DOB 1-13-90 188 G, 169 GA, 966.0 IP, 4.27 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 96 ERA+, 10.7 bWAR, 12.9 fWAR

 

Their 2020 stats:

 

GR 14 G, 10 GS, 51.1 IP, 4.03 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 1.0 bWAR, 0.7 fWAR

NE 9 G, 9 GS, 48.1 IP, 3.72 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 126 ERA+, 1.3 bWAR, 0.9 fWAR

 

Steamer and ZiPS project Richards with 2021 WAR of 1.6 in 139 innings and 1.1 in 70.1 innings while projecting Eovaldi with 2021 WAR of 2.4 in 149 innings and 1.2 in 90 innings.

 

Having either one is bad enough. Having both is a recipe for disaster, which will come in the form of Chris Mazza starts...

[mvp 78]

Having either one is bad enough. Having both is a recipe for disaster, which will come in the form of Chris Mazza starts...

 

Seabold? Mata?

[notin]

Seabold? Mata?

 

I am assuming they are already up. Eovaldi and Richards could take down TWO rotation spots at once very easily...

[a700hitter]

FWIW Garrett Richards tossed more innings than Nathan Eovaldi in 2020.

 

Martin Perez was the only Red Sox pitcher who tossed more innings than Richards last year.

 

An update:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/01/boston-red-sox-garrett-richards-have-momentum-toward-deal-talks-with-free-agent-starter-evolving-though-other-teams-remain-involved.html

Richards hasn’t thrown more than 76 Innings in a season since 2015

[harmony]

I am assuming they are already up. Eovaldi and Richards could take down TWO rotation spots at once very easily...

Then perhaps it's time for the Red Sox to turn to the dependable Rick Porcello.

 

What durable free agent starter will fit into the Red Sox budget?

[moonslav59]

Just sign Odorizzi & Colome and end all this crap.

[notin]

Just sign Odorizzi & Colome and end all this crap.

 

I’m ok with that, too.

[harmony]

Just sign Odorizzi & Colome and end all this crap.

Comp time!

 

32-year-old Garrett Richards is a 6-foot-2, 210-pound righthander taken out of college in the first round of the 2009 draft while 30-year-old Jake Odorizzi is a 6-foot-2, 190-pound righthander taken out of high school in the first round of the 2008 draft.

 

Their career stats:

 

GR DOB 5-27-88 187 G, 128 GS, 804.2 IP, 3.62 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 8.6 bWAR, 12.1 fWAR

JO DOB 3-27-90 195 G, 192 GA, 1042.1 IP, 3.92 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 105 ERA+, 12.5 bWAR, 13.5 fWAR

 

Their 2020 stats:

 

GR 14 G, 10 GS, 51.1 IP, 4.03 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 1.0 bWAR, 0.7 fWAR

JO 4 G, 4 GS, 13.2 IP, 6.59 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 68 ERA+, -0.2 bWAR, 0.0 fWAR

 

Steamer and ZiPS project Richards with 2021 WAR of 1.6 in 139 innings and 1.1 in 70.1 innings while projecting Odorizzi with 2021 WAR of 1.7 in 149 innings and 1.8 in 119.2 innings.

 

MLB Trade Rumors predicts a two-year, $16 million contract for Richards and a three-year, $39 million contract for Odorizzi.

[moonslav59]

Comp time!

 

32-year-old Garrett Richards is a 6-foot-2, 210-pound righthander taken out of college in the first round of the 2009 draft while 30-year-old Jake Odorizzi is a 6-foot-2, 190-pound righthander taken out of high school in the first round of the 2008 draft.

 

Their career stats:

 

GR DOB 5-27-88 187 G, 128 GS, 804.2 IP, 3.62 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 8.6 bWAR, 12.1 fWAR

JO DOB 3-27-90 195 G, 192 GA, 1042.1 IP, 3.92 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 105 ERA+, 12.5 bWAR, 13.5 fWAR

 

Their 2020 stats:

 

GR 14 G, 10 GS, 51.1 IP, 4.03 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 106 ERA+, 1.0 bWAR, 0.7 fWAR

JO 4 G, 4 GS, 13.2 IP, 6.59 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 68 ERA+, -0.2 bWAR, 0.0 fWAR

 

Steamer and ZiPS project Richards with 2021 WAR of 1.6 in 139 innings and 1.1 in 70.1 innings while projecting Odorizzi with 2021 WAR of 1.7 in 149 innings and 1.8 in 119.2 innings.

 

MLB Trade Rumors predicts a two-year, $16 million contract for Richards and a three-year, $39 million contract for Odorizzi.

 

Great, let Seattle sign Richards. I'll take Odorizzi 7 days a week.

[harmony]

Great, let Seattle sign Richards. I'll take Odorizzi 7 days a week.

Too late ... the Red Sox to sign Garrett Richards:

 

 

One year, $10 million with a team option for 2022:

 

[mvp 78]

Too late ... the Red Sox to sign Garrett Richards:

 

 

One year, $10 million with a team option for 2022:

 

 

Red Sox 2021: the walking dead

[mvp 78]

30M - 7 Kiké - 10 Richards = 6M reliever + 3M reliever + 4M CF/2B

[mvp 78]

Nice to have option year tho.