Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[notin]

I'm sure we're add some payroll but say we're at $140M after 2020 before arbitration raises,

 

SP Sale

SP Eovaldi

SP E Rod

SP Perez (add $6.5M for picking up his option)

SP Graterol (pick up from Twins)

 

C Vaz

1B Dalbec/Moreland (add $2.5M for picking up his option)

2B Chavis

3B Devers

SS Xander

LF Beni

CF

RF Verdugo

DH

 

Bullpen, go with Kimmi's theroy of bunch of nobodies...

 

We have plenty of cash to shore up this bunch....this was the adult thing to do, keeping Betts and giving him $400M is what your teenage kids would have done. Financial restraint.

 

Graterol doesn’t seem likely to head to the rotation. Unless it’s as an opener. He’s never pitched more than 60.2 IP in a season at any level...

[Swiharts Ghost]

There is no way of knowing who won this trade at this moment and everything on your part is speculation. Red Sox aren't making a "run" with this rotation[/QUOjTE]

 

JB Chaim was litterally derailed by ownership the day after the season ended by announcing the cutting of Payroll.Chaim just jettisoned David Price and got close to 50 scents on the dollar then he gets Alex Verdugo for 5 years and a closer both ready for prime time by end of May in my opinion .I love this trade for how buried the team was and don’t sneeze at Mookie and his numbers to fall off away from Fenway and at a terrible hitters park compared to Fenway .Betts is to me a 8 year player worth 320 that is all he’s worth to me .Trout is on another planet .

[Nick]

Graterol doesn’t seem likely to head to the rotation. Unless it’s as an opener. He’s never pitched more than 60.2 IP in a season at any level...

 

One site had him possibly turning into a starter......he's big boy, weighs 265 lbs..

[sk7326]

I also enjoy trading one of the best players the Red Sox have had (normalized for age) to line John Henry's pockets. Bloom is a smart guy and did fairly well given ownership's mandate to make like the Pittsburgh Pirates - and considering they are paying half of Price's contract, they did not even do that correctly. But it is worth noting that the Red Sox ask a larger financial commitment from their fans than virtually every other team in baseball. As someone who likes baseball, this sucks. Edited February 5, 2020 by sk7326

[bkzwhitestrican]

Good trade for Boston in the long term. Sucks for fans who were hoping for a bounce back 2020 though.

[harmony]

One site had him possibly turning into a starter......he's big boy, weighs 265 lbs..

[sk7326]

Good trade for Boston in the long term. Sucks for fans who were hoping for a bounce back 2020 though.

 

It sucks for fans who like baseball.

[bkzwhitestrican]

It sucks for fans who like baseball.

 

I dunno about that. Mookie going to a WS contender is probably more exciting for the rest of baseball.

[Swiharts Ghost]

 

Good catch here do you think they where just getting him in that game last year it was quick in out .

[Sox75]

I hated to think this could happen, but given the s*** FACT that it was going to....

 

https://nesn.com/2020/02/what-to-know-about-reported-new-red-sox-alex-verdugo-brusdar-graterol/

 

I'm somewhat excited that this kid could be a very good OF'r.

 

No Mookie! But, good.

 

Couple of promising pitchers too.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Why would you be rooting for Mookie to fail? He already won 5 gold gloves in one of toughest right fields in league. He'll be fine in LA.

 

I’m sorry read this again what I mean is maybe we have a better chance if he takes a step back in LA ? Maybe not just kinda hope for a bit of a stumble so we get him back home here .Sorry for sounding like I want him to fail it’s not like that just think there’s a big adjustment to be made .The stadium in LA is a pitchers park not a hitters it’s actually rated as a pretty poor hitters park compared to Fenway .Maybe Mookie misses Fenway

[Swiharts Ghost]

I hated to think this could happen, but given the s*** FACT that it was going to....

 

https://nesn.com/2020/02/what-to-know-about-reported-new-red-sox-alex-verdugo-brusdar-graterol/

 

I'm somewhat excited that this kid could be a very good OF'r.

 

No Mookie! But, good.

 

Couple of promising pitchers too.

This is a great post and this is where I’m at .

[Nick]

While his MLB performance hasn’t been eye-popping, his arm is impressive and there’s plenty of room for growth. He’s not arbitration-eligible until 2023 and won’t hit free agency until 2026. It’s not impossible Graterol becomes a starter one day, either. In fact, he has been brought up through the Twins farm system largely as a starter.

 

per NESN

[Swiharts Ghost]

I dunno about that. Mookie going to a WS contender is probably more exciting for the rest of baseball.

 

 

This .LA Dodgers are one hell of a franchise and the baseball wold is excited and nervous about this trade for what it means for them .The Redsox Get younger and still are a dangerous team don’t get that twisted but LA with what they have dealt with ? I am happy for them .With all this said Boston has a good shot at getting him back if they decide to do so .

[Swiharts Ghost]

While his MLB performance hasn’t been eye-popping, his arm is impressive and there’s plenty of room for growth. He’s not arbitration-eligible until 2023 and won’t hit free agency until 2026. It’s not impossible Graterol becomes a starter one day, either. In fact, he has been brought up through the Twins farm system largely as a starter.

 

per NESN

 

 

Well that’s FANTASTiC NEWS there !!!! Thank you

[Red Foreman]

Or he could be headed for TJ surgery before he gets to Fenway.

 

If he was so good they wouldn't have let him go for Maeda.

[Jasonbay44]

If he was so good they wouldn't have let him go for Maeda.

 

Exactly. If he was some kind of sure fire superstar, he would've be traded for an average 31 year old pitcher. He's already had Tommy John once.

[Hitch]

I'm really torn on this trade. I wanted it done but I fell uneasy about the outcome.

 

Verdugo is a great get. Young, very good, lots of years ahead, cost controlled. That was a fantastic starting point to what I hoped would be some very enticing prospects added on. The inclusion of Price has obviously scuppered this and to lose the possible prospects; to still pay $15m a year for a spent asset; only get a guy with plenty of upside but a seriously scary injury record in return - that tilts the trade away from what could have been very good to who knows at this point.

 

We were under the tax with the Mookie trade. Don't tack on Price if it kills the return. Hold him, see if he starts well, trade him then.

 

In short, I really wish we hadn't tacked on Price, to pay only half, and gone with the bigger return.

 

But we'll see. These things always take years to figure out if it was the right decision or not.

Edited February 5, 2020 by Hitch

[cp176]

This trade if you want to call it that is an absolute embarrassment for this franchise. I really have nothing else. It has become too much about money for me. I hope they continue to fill those cramped nasty little seats. Normally the expression you get what you pay for applies fairly well - not in this case.

[mvp 78]

This trade if you want to call it that is an absolute embarrassment for this franchise. I really have nothing else. It has become too much about money for me. I hope they continue to fill those cramped nasty little seats. Normally the expression you get what you pay for applies fairly well - not in this case.

 

I understand the sentiment.

[jacksonianmarch]

It looks like a half and half deal with Price, although it hasn’t been confirmed. Price for $16 mil AAV is still a bit heavy, IMO, so the Dodgers took on more than Price is worth to get Betts. They also handed off Verdugo, who has 5 years of control, and Maeda to upgrade in the OF. Maeda to Price is a downgrade, but they needed to alter the payroll to a bigger degree, and Price was clearly a pre-requisite to make a deal. The Dodgers got better in this one and are hoping for a rebound from Price in both health and performance in what will be his first foray into the NL. The Dodgers also managed to sneak under the LT again

 

The Twins got themselves a starter who easily slots in as the #2 behind Odorizzi and comes with a few years of reasonable control. They gave up a top prospect, albeit one who is likely to be a reliever

 

The Sox got their salary relief. The paid down less than I thought they’d have to, but enough to get two top 100 guys of yesteryear (and now with Brusdar still eligible). They got far more for both Price and Betts than I thought they would have. Verdugo is never going to be Betts. But Betts wasn’t going to be around after 2020 unless the Sox paid More than the 29 other teams. They can still do that. But Verdugo adds to their team for the next 5 years. He plays good D. He’s a good enough base runner. He’s got burgeoning power. He’s got excellent bat to ball skills. He is likely going to be a fringe all star in Boston and IMO is better than Benintendi.

 

Graterol is the bonus the Sox got for Price and the funds going with him. This kid has flames coming out of his hand. Sits 99, tops out at 103. Apparently the Sox plan to start him in AAA in the rotation to (manipulate his service time) see what they have as a starter. But long term, this kid is a closer and one that’ll be effective. His stuff is devastating and he’s just learning to use it.

 

Overall, for 2020, the Sox just downgraded considerably. For 2021 and beyond, they gained much needed financial flexibility and added two players that will fit into the core of their next rising team. This is a good move for Bloom.

[Tedballgame]

Seems like Padres offer was better IMO.

Padre offer didn't include Sox being able to dump Price and if it did, they would have had to take Wil Myers bloated contract. No thanks.

[oldtimer]

This trade if you want to call it that is an absolute embarrassment for this franchise. I really have nothing else. It has become too much about money for me. I hope they continue to fill those cramped nasty little seats. Normally the expression you get what you pay for applies fairly well - not in this case.

 

Mookie is a great young player with one year and $27 price tag being traded to a team positioned to win it all this year. The Sox were not in that boat this year and took the step of resetting. Next year Mookie will be looking to maximizee his contract (can't blame him) and probably get around $35 mil for 12 years. The Dodgers will proobably be willing to make an offer of that magnitude as will other teams. I am not an advocate of giving such long term contracts as the RISK of underperformance or no performance after half of it is over is high.

 

Price is a servicable 3rd or 4th starter and the Dodgers only are coughing up $15 to $17 million/year for him so they got a reasonable deal.

 

The Sox get Verdago and a pitching prospect who may or may not hold down a starting spot. We also get the reset and some salary flexibility.

 

These moves make it highly unlikely that we can compete at the WS level this year and make it seem that other moves should be made to get younger for 2021. JBJ has been a top notch defensive center fielder with an inconsistent and weak bat. Trading him and installing younger would further enhannce out flexability. JDM, if he has a good year will opt out and if he doesn't, we will have an overpriced DH. Maybe he will be traded at the deadline.

 

I see improvements being made in the farm and the team getting stronger for 2021, with substantial cash available stemming from the reset. I prefer to be optimistic and Bloom has done what he was hired to do. We'll see where he goes from here.

[Sox75]

I hated to think this could happen, but given the s*** FACT that it was going to....

 

https://nesn.com/2020/02/what-to-know-about-reported-new-red-sox-alex-verdugo-brusdar-graterol/

 

I'm somewhat excited that this kid could be a very good OF'r.

 

No Mookie! But, good.

 

Couple of promising pitchers too.

 

Ahhh. Right.

 

Forgot to mention what an embarrassment the unloading of Price in this trade is.

 

Yeh. We "unload the Price contract, NOT, as we GET TO pay for 1/2 of his contract for the privilege of "dumping" the contract.

 

This is an absolutely AWEFUL reality.

 

THIS is how badly the Sox wanted him gone?

 

Just pathetic, and a stain on this "deal."

To me, it undercuts the incredible value of Mookie.

It's an insult that bloom is such a poor negotiator that he had to pay to dump Price while dealing the #1 or #2 position player in the league.

He got TAKEN on this part if the deal. DP is a lot of things, and I never liked having him in Boston, but now WE PAY 1/2 of his salary to give another team a once #1/#2 starting pitcher, who can still deliver, to a major contending team whom the Sox are already dealing one of the 2 best outfielders in MLB history?

 

Just pathetic!

I'm not impressed with this part of the negotiation!

[jacksonianmarch]

With a clear need to slash payroll and rebuild, the Sox had to add to their talent pool somehow. With the draft penalties coming, that somehow is by dealing off useful assets. Nobody is gonna give you anything good for guys like Eovaldi or JBJ.

 

This will start a sell off of epic proportions, IMO. JD wants to win and if he comes out stroking again, my bet and the FOs bet will be that he opts out. Teams are more desperate in season and JD will fit with any club that needs offense. He’ll go for something useful, and as possibly the best bat on the market, that something useful could be a top prospect.

 

I also wonder if the Sox quietly entertain offers for ERod in season or after 2020. He’s going to be a popular target and his extra year of control will be enticing on a bad team in 2020. ERod would return a massive haul in season.

[d-money]

Woke up this morning trying to give this trade a chance and it seems like the sox got heisted instead. We shall see.

[jung]

That would be awesome. He's such an amazing talent.

 

But unlikely, IMO

[Bellhorn04]

She may not even be paying attention.

 

Oh she is. She's a shareholder now!

[jung]

I am a little surprised if only because speculation about the potential greatness of a particular edition of the Sox team is one of their cornerstone marketing tools. The Sox really don't engage in long term marketing of specific ballplayers the way other teams do. So I understand that Mookie has less value to the Sox than he will have to other teams one of which will ultimately plan on having Mookie on the cover of their media guide for 10 years.

 

I don't even know today what argument the Sox make for the potential greatness of the 2020 edition.

 

Told you guys they would insist on offing either Price or Evo as part of this deal.

 

Still waiting for the shoe to drop from MLB on the cheating scandal and still remain unconvinced that the Sox will escape Scott Free.

[Bellhorn04]

Woke up this morning trying to give this trade a chance and it seems like the sox got heisted instead. We shall see.

 

They saved a ton of money. And they'll use that money well, hopefully.