A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[jad]

Every sports board has the middle-school troll who thinks it's attention-getting posting on other teams boards. Is it worse here? Because of the rivalry? Or just because there are greater numbers of puberty-stricken boys in NYC than in other cities?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Teheran goes to Anaheim, Keuchel to CWS. 2 more NLers from last year that move to the AL. The shift of power is real. If Donaldson comes to Texas or the Twins then you've got another. The AL is going for it this year

 

Expensive mediocrity... Atlanta chose to let both walk, which means neither could pitch anymore for a division winner in the NL. Teheran just led the league in hit by pitches; Keuchel led the AL in hits allowed two years ago. The latter also works slower than Price, which could be trouble when the MLB adopts a pitch-clock. If you take out his Porcello Cy year, DK is 64-63 career, mostly pitching for winning teams.

 

I'd rather have Price than either, but I think he'll be moved once Ryu signs.

[harmony]

Expensive mediocrity... Atlanta chose to let both walk, which means neither could pitch anymore for a division winner in the NL. Teheran just led the league in hit by pitches; Keuchel led the AL in hits allowed two years ago. The latter also works slower than Price, which could be trouble when the MLB adopts a pitch-clock. If you take out his Porcello Cy year, DK is 64-63 career, mostly pitching for winning teams.

 

I'd rather have Price than either, but I think he'll be moved once Ryu signs.

Anthony Rendon, whom the Angels snared from the National League, is not mediocrity ... unless Rafael Devers is mediocrity lite.

[Bellhorn04]

Anthony Rendon, whom the Angels snared from the National League, is not mediocrity ... unless Rafael Devers is mediocrity lite.

 

He was talking about Teheran & Keuchel methinks.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He was talking about Teheran & Keuchel methinks.

 

Thanks for reading my post in response to the quote.

[kenmeister]

Take Nova and stock up on ex-Yankees?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think you're selling Keuchel short. He did have a 3 month layoff before signing with the Braves, and time has proven those players to be pretty muted in their production when this occurs. His K rate was a touch above normal, his BB rate a touch below normal. Where he struggled was with the superball and his HR rate skyrocketed. His first few starts were shorter, but the last few months he was a pretty solid 6 inning pitcher. Give him a full offseason and a full ST, and my thought is he can be the guy he was at the end with Houston, which is a 200 inning 3WAR pitcher.

[Tedballgame]

Every sports board has the middle-school troll who thinks it's attention-getting posting on other teams boards. Is it worse here? Because of the rivalry? Or just because there are greater numbers of puberty-stricken boys in NYC than in other cities?

The worst one is on this board, except when the Sox beat the Yankees.

[Tedballgame]

So what you are saying is 6 of your guys had career seasons. Tazawa, Ells, Drew, and Napoli had their second best seasons. Pedey, a possible HOFer, had his 3rd best season. Ortiz, a possible HOFer, had his 5th best season. So 12 of your players and more importantly, 8 of your position players had one of their two best seasons of their career or were two HOF candidates having great years as well. More importantly, the guys you bought on clearance ended up finding a last gasp.

 

Napoli was signed after he had trouble staying healthy the year before. He has an .842OPS season, and never went over .800 OPS again

 

Victorino had had two seasons of .800 or higher OPS in his career prior to coming to Boston, his last one two years prior. He was coming off a .707 OPS season. After 2013, he never crossed .700, let alone .800 again

 

Daniel Nava played the most games of his career and had his career season. The following year he barely broke .700 in OPS and essentially fell off the map from there

 

Salty had his only .800+ OPS season of his career. He went to Miami after 2013 and cratered into nothing.

 

Stephen Drew had the second best OPS+ of his career. The next two seasons, he couldn't break .660 in OPS before becoming a useful part timer for a season before retiring

 

Mike Carp had a great half season with you guys, nearly a .900 OPS. He couldn't hit the Mendoza line in 2014 and was out of baseball after that

 

Johnny Gomes OPS'd .770 in a part time role. He never broke .670 again and was out of baseball in two years

 

Smellsbury posted the second highest OPS of his career and stole 52 bases. He never stole as many bases again and couldn't stay healthy

 

Koji didn't have a career year. He had an all time year, quite possibly the best year of any reliever, EVER. And this from a guy who never saved more than 13 games in his career prior to 2013. He remained good, but not that great, for two more seasons before becoming average and retiring

 

And two of your starters had career seasons as well in Buch and Doubront. So, yes, you had a quarter of your roster have career seasons with up to half having their 2-3 best season. A staggering 9 of your players faded into oblivion after 2013. And that isn't lucky? Seriously? Take it for what it is. Timing was amazing for everyone involved and if even one guy was off, the whole thing would have crashed down. And it did, the following two seasons

 

All that B.S. doesn't mean anything because the Red Sox won a World Series Championship in 2013 and the Yankees didn't. And, the Red Sox followed that up with a historical season in 2018 and another World Series Championship (Sox fans are getting so spoiled with all these parades) and the Yankees didn't win. Suck on that and Merry Christmas.

[jacksonianmarch]

All that B.S. doesn't mean anything because the Red Sox won a World Series Championship in 2013 and the Yankees didn't. And, the Red Sox followed that up with a historical season in 2018 and another World Series Championship (Sox fans are getting so spoiled with all these parades) and the Yankees didn't win. Suck on that and Merry Christmas.

 

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[mvp 78]

I have this exact ornament on my tree!

[Tedballgame]

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Thats all you got. Weak! Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[moonslav59]

Here's a look at what the trade simulator site has for player values, salary owed and I added Lux Tax numbers:

 

Trade Values

 

Value -Player -Total Salary Owed/Lux Tax x Yrs

 

Sox

-60.0 Price $96M

-29.5 Eovaldi $51M

-11.0 Sale $123.9M

+2.0 Bradley ~$11M

+5.6 Walden ~$3.8M

+6.0 JD Martinez $23.7 (Opt out?)

+12.1 Duran

+17.7 Chavis ~$13.7M

+18.8 Dalbec

+24.6 Barnez ~$24.6M

+35.9 Beni ~$33.9M

 

-102.0 Hosmer $102M/ $18M x6

-76.0 Cano $81M $24M x 4 (Unlikely)

-60.3 Myers $68.5M/ $13.8M x 3

-53.2 Heywood $86M/ $23M x 4

-40.9 Upton $72M/ $21.2M x 3

-40.4 Cueto $48.7/ $21.7M x 2

-39.3 Pollock $56.0/ $12M x 3

-34.2 Posey $66.4/ $18.6M x 2

-33.4 Longoria $49.5/ $11.6M x 3

-31.1 Carpenter $55.5/ $19.5M x 2

-28.4 Herera $41.7/ $6.1M x 2

-26.7 Odor $37.0/ $8.3 x 3

-25.2 Fowler $33.0/ $16.5M x 2

-25.0 Desmond $25.0/ $14M x 2

-22.7 Zimmerman $25.0/ $22M/1 (with Boyd?)

-18.3 Belt $34.4M/ $14.6M x 2

-18.0 McCutchen $40.0M/ $16.7M x 2

-17.5 Cobb $29.0M/ $14.3M x 2

-15.9 Familia $20.0M/ $10M x 2

-14.9 Cain $51.0M/ $16M x 3

-14.7 Duffy $30.5M/ $13M x 2

-14.0 Carrasco $37.2M/ $11.8M x 3

-13.6 Kiermaier $36.0M/ $8.9M x 3

-13.0 Robertson $13.0M/ $11.5M x 1

-12.7 J Kelly $21.7M/ $8.3 x2

-11.5 McGee $11.5M/9.0M x 1

-11.0 Shaw $11.0M/ $9M x 1

-9.0 Chatwood $13M/ $12.7M x 1

-8.7 Herrera (P) $9M/ $9M x 1

-8.6 Kennedy $16.5M/ $14M x 1

-8.4 Cespedes$11.0M/ $6M x 1

-8.3 Lowrie $12.0M/ $10M x 1

-7.2 Cecil $7.2M/ $7.6M x 1

-6.9 Melancon $14M/ $15.5M x 1

-6.5 Reddick $13.0M/ $13M x 1

-0.1 Villar $10.4M/ $9.8M

 

 

[Tedballgame]

Merry Christmas to all the RED SOX fans on this board!

[mvp 78]

Merry Christmas to all the RED SOX fans on this board!

 

Happy Holidays to all the Yankees and Mariners fans.

[Bellhorn04]

Merry Christmas to all the RED SOX fans on this board!

 

Ted, you need to grab a new attitude for 2020. This back and forth with Jax is just cluttering up baseball threads with trash. Jax has been cleared by the mods long ago. Deal with it.

[Nick]

Yeah, but most WS winners don't flounder to the basement the next two seasons

 

Yep.....that's why Henry brought in a fixer to right the ship. 3 Division titles, 1 World Series Championship followed by an injury plagued season to the projected top of the line starting pitchers resulting in a third place finish. Trashing of DD is bit over the top. Our farm system is not dead last. It's 21st or so and improving.

 

So big f***ing deal that we have to rebuild. Welcome to real world wusses. There are thirty teams trying to bash you in. If we can't rebuild with $208M budget then something is wrong.

 

Merry Christmas everyone.

[Bellhorn04]

Yep.....that's why Henry brought in a fixer to right the ship. 3 Division titles, 1 World Series Championship followed by an injury plagued season to the projected top of the line starting pitchers resulting in a third place finish. Trashing of DD is bit over the top. Our farm system is not dead last. It's 21st or so and improving.

 

So big f***ing deal that we have to rebuild. Welcome to real world wusses. There are thirty teams trying to bash you in. If we can't rebuild with $208M budget then something is wrong.

 

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

Good post Nick.

 

Merry Freakin' Christmas everyone.

[mvp 78]

Yep.....that's why Henry brought in a fixer to right the ship. 3 Division titles, 1 World Series Championship followed by an injury plagued season to the projected top of the line starting pitchers resulting in a third place finish. Trashing of DD is bit over the top. Our farm system is not dead last. It's 21st or so and improving.

 

So big f***ing deal that we have to rebuild. Welcome to real world wusses. There are thirty teams trying to bash you in. If we can't rebuild with $208M budget then something is wrong.

 

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

I agree for the most part.

[notin]

Yep.....that's why Henry brought in a fixer to right the ship. 3 Division titles, 1 World Series Championship followed by an injury plagued season to the projected top of the line starting pitchers resulting in a third place finish. Trashing of DD is bit over the top. Our farm system is not dead last. It's 21st or so and improving.

 

So big f***ing deal that we have to rebuild. Welcome to real world wusses. There are thirty teams trying to bash you in. If we can't rebuild with $208M budget then something is wrong.

 

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

 

Merry Christmas, Nick.

 

Made similar points many times (although obviously less effectively)...

Edited December 24, 2019 by notin

[jacksonianmarch]

Merry Christmas you filthy animals. May you all avoid me in your travels and return happy and healthy

[moonslav59]

Merry

 

Christmas!

[moonslav59]

Here's a trade idea to save on the Lux budget:

 

Eovaldi $51M/3 ($17M x 3 LUX)

JBJ $11.2M last arb ($11.2M)

Chavis pre-arb

Decker minors OF

Total $62.2M ($28.2M Lux 2020, $17M '21 & '22)

 

for

 

Herrera $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2 LUX)

Marchan (C minors)

Maton (SS minors)

Morales RHP minors)

Total: $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2 LUX)

 

Money saved:

$42M

 

LUX TAX savings

$22.1M 2020

$10.9M 2021

$17.0M 2022

[Bellhorn04]

Here's a trade idea to save on the Lux budget:

 

Eovaldi $51M/3 ($17M x 3 LUX)

JBJ $11.2M last arb ($11.2M)

Chavis pre-arb

Decker minors OF

Total $62.2M ($28.2M Lux 2020, $17M '21 & '22)

 

for

 

Herrera $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2 LUX)

Marchan (C minors)

Maton (SS minors)

Morales RHP minors)

Total: $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2 LUX)

 

Money saved:

$42M

 

LUX TAX savings

$22.1M 2020

$10.9M 2021

$17.0M 2022

 

Ho Ho Ho!

[Jack Flap]

Family who don't follow baseball as obsessively as I do: So what's going on with the Red Sox this offseason?

 

Me: So you see, after the Senate raised taxes on trade routes, the Trade Federation decided to blockade -- no, wait, that's the backstory to The Phantom Menace.

[Bellhorn04]

Family who don't follow baseball as obsessively as I do: So what's going on with the Red Sox this offseason?

 

Me: So you see, after the Senate raised taxes on trade routes, the Trade Federation decided to blockade -- no, wait, that's the backstory to The Phantom Menace.

 

Well, the Red Sox are giving us the Phantom Offseason.

[mvp 78]

Well, the Red Sox are giving us the Phantom Offseason.

 

The Phantom Pennant?

[moonslav59]

2021, baby!

[moonslav59]

Merry

 

Christmas!

[jad]

Ted, you need to grab a new attitude for 2020. This back and forth with Jax is just cluttering up baseball threads with trash. Jax has been cleared by the mods long ago. Deal with it.

 

Being cleared by mods does not mean you're not a juvenile, puberty-stricken a-hole. Ted is not the one cluttering up the board.