Red Sox land Andrew Cashner

[Nick]

He should make about 13 starts, so that’s about 7 IP/start.

 

Possible but not likely.

 

And if he does average 7IP/start, the Sox should accept that contract option with open arms and songs in their heart...

 

I agree, better than paying Porcello $15M-$20M as the fifth starter in 2020. (no sarcasm please, I still have Sale in my top 4)

 

If his option does vest, that just means he pitched well for Sox, well enough to average close to 7 IP per start. Hopefully Eovaldi will be back in starting rotation next year.

[illinoisredsox]

He should make about 13 starts, so that’s about 7 IP/start.

 

Possible but not likely.

 

And if he does average 7IP/start, the Sox should accept that contract option with open arms and songs in their heart...

 

Beat me to it. I was figuring 70 games would mean 14-15 starts, or 6+ per start; he was averaging about 5 2/3 with the O’s so it could be tight, especially if one of the main 4 miss any time.

[moonslav59]

They can dump Nunez and Pearce, but I don’t think they can save any money doing so....

 

I was thinking we might be able to save $500K on Nunez... maybe. Every penny might help us obtain a higher priced, pro-rated deal on another pitcher.

[harmony]

With that WAR, we should win every battle, that he's in.

Correction made. 😟

[harmony]

How does Andrew Cashner comp with another tall veteran righthanded Texan born in 1986: Homer Bailey, whom the Kansas City Royals reportedly have traded to the Oakland Athletics?

 

Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project Cashner with rest-of-season WAR of 0.7 and 0.5 in 12 starts and Bailey with rest-of-season WAR of 0.4 and 0.5 in 11 starts. ZiPS projects Cashner with a rest-of-season WAR of 0.6 in 11 starts but offers no projection for Bailey.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8782&position=P

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8362&position=P

 

Cashner cost the Red Sox two distant 17-year-old prospects from Venezuela. Bailey cost the Athletics a 2017 first-round draft pick who has floundered (out of George M. Steinbrenner High School and the University of South Florida). Kevin Merrell was Oakland's 17th-ranked prospect at MLB Prospect Watch and its 20th-ranked prospect at FanGraphs.

 

The Red Sox reportedly will pay Cashner $1.58 million for the remainder of the season while Oakland will pay Bailey a prorated portion of the league minimum of $555,000 (with the Los Angeles Dodgers picking up the balance of Bailey's 2019 salary of $23 million).

Edited July 14, 2019 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Still, I see the cost of obtaining decent starters is pretty low.

 

It's a buyer's market.

[OH FOY]

Here's what one Scout said on the Red Sox Farm.

"Their system isn't very deep, I'll tell you that" said one very highly touted Scout, who has seen the Boston System extensively, "And from what I can tell, other then a Handful of guys, their best talent now is probably at Fort Meyers, (Gulf Coast League), and Lowell (NY Penn League). Now, maybe they can get a deal done with some of those guys, because the are a long way away and Dave isn't worried what's going to happen in 3 or 4 years".

Today on BSJ

[OH FOY]

Dombrowski is the worst kind of GM you can have right now, he's gutting the talent that we might have, so it could be a nightmare for the Sox for many years. Only way to keep up is Free Agents.

Sox should do everything they can to keep the young players now that are on the team long term. Devers, Benni, JBJ, and Betts. It will cost money, but in the meantime, you start building the Farm again. X-Man is in the fold, so that's a plus.

Start with Pitching, build that pitching up.

[dgalehouse]

In other news , Sox problem child , Steven Wright, is once again back on the I.L. This after giving up back to back jacks last night . This clears roster space for Cashner .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Ok I didn't appreciate the signing yesterday .Cashner is our guy now and he's going to be great for us I'm on board now.The name on the front . Edited July 14, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

In other news , Sox problem child , Steven Wright, is once again back on the I.L. This after giving up back to back jacks last night . This clears roster space for Cashner .

 

Probably "phantom," right?

[notin]

Probably "phantom," right?

 

Probably not.

 

If DD was counting on Wright to help fix the bullpen (which he’s talked about since January and would partially explain his complete lack of bullpen attention), why bury Wright when Velasquez and Taylor still have options?

[bkzwhitestrican]

Cashner himself isn't very good, but when you look at what he'll be replacing every 5th day it should make a difference. There have been 16 games started/opened by Velazquez/Weber/Johnson/Hernandez/Smith this season and they've combined for a 6.79 ERA and 1.66 WHIP.

[OH FOY]

Cashner himself isn't very good, but when you look at what he'll be replacing every 5th day it should make a difference. There have been 16 games started/opened by Velazquez/Weber/Johnson/Hernandez/Smith this season and they've combined for a 6.79 ERA and 1.66 WHIP.

 

And they averaged 3.1 innings a start.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It sounds like Cashner's option will probably not vest for next season. In case this hasn't already been posted:

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/07/andrew-cashner-contract-boston-red-sox-rhp-making-95m-in-2019-has-vesting-option-for-2020-based-on-innings.html

[Kimmi]

The trade was a good one for the Red Sox but ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project Andrew Cashner with rest-of-season ERA of 5.05. 4.99 and 5.02:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8782&position=P

 

I cannot disagree with those projections, based on Cashner's peripherals. We just have to hope that his luck holds out through the rest of the season, or at least until Eovaldi is healthy enough to go back to the rotation.

 

At the very least, Cashner should be better than what we've trotted out there every 5th start.

[moonslav59]

I cannot disagree with those projections, based on Cashner's peripherals. We just have to hope that his luck holds out through the rest of the season, or at least until Eovaldi is healthy enough to go back to the rotation.

 

At the very least, Cashner should be better than what we've trotted out there every 5th start.

 

True, but we have been 10-8 in 5th starter games, and Johnson had done well for his last 2 starts, before the stomach thing.

[TylerD]

Honestly, at this point anyone will look decent compared to what we have got lately.... Outside of E-Rod our starters haven't gone more than 5 innings in their last 2 starts at least. It has not been pretty. Price went 5 innings and gave up 4 runs and that was considered "not a horrible start" for our rotation. Cashner can only improve us.............. one would think.....

[OH FOY]

5th starters that averaged 3.1 innings, was won by the BP, not the 5th starter.

[notin]

True, but we have been 10-8 in 5th starter games, and Johnson had done well for his last 2 starts, before the stomach thing.

 

But Johnson is setting the bar at new levels for fragility...

[mvp 78]

Cashner himself isn't very good, but when you look at what he'll be replacing every 5th day it should make a difference. There have been 16 games started/opened by Velazquez/Weber/Johnson/Hernandez/Smith this season and they've combined for a 6.79 ERA and 1.66 WHIP.

 

Yuck

[moonslav59]

But Johnson is setting the bar at new levels for fragility...

 

Yes, I'm fine with Cashner taking the 5 slot away from the merry-go-round, but we can't expect a big boost on a 10-8 record we've gotten so far from our 5 slot.

 

We need the big 4 to start pitching like the big 4 and not the big 2 (Price & ERod).

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, I'm fine with Cashner taking the 5 slot away from the merry-go-round, but we can't expect a big boost on a 10-8 record we've gotten so far from our 5 slot.

 

Can't expect a big boost, but I daresay a 10-8 record from our 5 slot has been incredibly lucky and bound for regression.

[moonslav59]

Can't expect a big boost, but I daresay a 10-8 record from our 5 slot has been incredibly lucky and bound for regression.

 

Yes, the run support our #5's have gotten is mind-boggling.

 

My point was that we need to find more wins from what we've seen up to now, from our 1-4 slots.

[Kimmi]

Yes, I'm fine with Cashner taking the 5 slot away from the merry-go-round, but we can't expect a big boost on a 10-8 record we've gotten so far from our 5 slot.

 

We need the big 4 to start pitching like the big 4 and not the big 2 (Price & ERod).

 

Maybe not directly, but having that 5th starter indirectly helps the BP.

 

That said, I agree that Cashner is not going to do much good if the other rotation guys don't get it together.

[devildavid]

I think in his first start Cashner made the big mistake of seeing that he was wearing a Red Sox uniform.

[notin]

I think in his first start Cashner made the big mistake of seeing that he was wearing a Red Sox uniform.

 

Facing an opponent whose already seen him twice this year probably didn’t help...