2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[YastrzemskI]

Trading either one of those guys for a relief pitcher is insanely stupid.

 

100% truth... however, our pen is just.. it has absolutely no business making an appearance in the post season. None. It’s a disaster waiting to happen and I can already see the posts in this site about how nothing was done at the trade deadline. Our starting pitching isn’t strong enough to have a s*** pen.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Another blown save by Diaz tonight. He entered the ninth with a one run lead and couldn't hold it. Game still on, now 2-2.

 

I'm against trading for Diaz unless the Red Sox can get him cheaply enough (which doesn't sound likely).

[notin]

Sox actually needs a SP.

 

Getting a reliever is just getting another arm to work to death due to the inefficiencies of this rotation...

[a700hitter]

Sox actually needs a SP.

 

Getting a reliever is just getting another arm to work to death due to the inefficiencies of this rotation...

Who would you drop from the rotation?

[moonslav59]

To be fair, I’ve been calling him a do-nothing goofball GM for a long time now. Since before spring training. If he doesn’t add anyone tomorrow, if I don’t call him one again, I’ll be inconsistent.

 

I share your concerns about not making some moves over the last few months, but the guy made mega moves to almost totally empty our farm to build a team that should be winning more than it is.

 

We've run out of budget space.

 

We've run out of prospects to deal for key pieces without totally blowing up any chance of a winning, extended future.

 

We got where we are today and last year (and I'm not complaining) because DD has done way more than nothing.

 

[moonslav59]

Who would you drop from the rotation?

 

He's actually saying the Cashner deal was a waste or we need to bench Porcello, right?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Another blown save by Diaz tonight. He entered the ninth with a one run lead and couldn't hold it. Game still on, now 2-2.

 

I'm against trading for Diaz unless the Red Sox can get him cheaply enough (which doesn't sound likely).

 

According to reports, the Mets wanted Benintendi for Diaz. What a joke of a trade proposal. Brady Van Wagonon is like a guy playing a baseball game on Playstation.

 

Cano has been dreadful since that 3 HR game. His batting average is now in the .230 range and his OPS+ entering tonight was 80. I guess Cano decided he isn't going to juice again and risk a year long suspension and all that money.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Sox actually needs a SP.

 

Getting a reliever is just getting another arm to work to death due to the inefficiencies of this rotation...

 

 

I agree. If you acquire another SP, like Wheeler, move Porcello to the bullpen, he can eat up innings there.

[harmony]

According to reports, the Mets wanted Benintendi for Diaz. What a joke of a trade proposal. Brady Van Wagonon is like a guy playing a baseball game on Playstation.

 

Cano has been dreadful since that 3 HR game. His batting average is now in the .230 range and his OPS+ entering tonight was 80. I guess Cano decided he isn't going to juice again and risk a year long suspension and all that money.

According to this website, Andrew Benintendi has $58.6 million in surplus value and Edwin Diaz $47.3 million in surplus value:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

[jung]

If you can't afford a Closer/relief pitcher with talent, you can't afford a starter with talent. In addition, there are very few starters left any longer that actually pitch like starters. Yet they cost a fortune in salary and trade pieces.

 

At this point based on the cost sellers are asking for pitching and the number of contenders looking for it, I would think the best bet would be to cut out some of the trash sitting under Barnes, Work and Nate and maybe DH. Seems to me that you can't use Stroman and Bauer as examples of starter value because the Mets have all too often looked to PR moves bringing back players with a NY background as a means to excite fans and Bauer may just have worn out his welcome in Cleveland with that toss into the stands, sealing his fate.

 

Get somebody that clearly drops Taylor, Hembree, Walden (he's living on luck) and Brewer out. We hit a stone wall when they have to be brought into a game and with this rotation that happens all too often.

Edited July 31, 2019 by jung

[Bellhorn04]

Trading either one of those guys for a relief pitcher is insanely stupid.

 

Good thing Max was just heaping the sarcasm.

[Bellhorn04]

According to this website, Andrew Benintendi has $58.6 million in surplus value and Edwin Diaz $47.3 million in surplus value:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

Which shows the limited value of such simulations.

 

Would anyone in their right mind trade Benintendi for Diaz (plus $11.3 million more of theoretical trade value) right now?

 

I'm sure Dave Dombrowski would have a good laugh at the idea.

[notin]

Who would you drop from the rotation?

 

I think they should push Cashner to the pen for the duration of the season and push Porcello back there with him for any postseason games.

 

I still like my Dalbec/Lance Lynn deal...

[notin]

If you can't afford a Closer/relief pitcher with talent, you can't afford a starter with talent. In addition, there are very few starters left any longer that actually pitch like starters. Yet they cost a fortune in salary and trade pieces.

 

At this point based on the cost sellers are asking for pitching and the number of contenders looking for it, I would think the best bet would be to cut out some of the trash sitting under Barnes, Work and Nate and maybe DH. Seems to me that you can't use Stroman and Bauer as examples of starter value because the Mets have all too often looked to PR moves bringing back players with a NY background as a means to excite fans and Bauer may just have worn out his welcome in Cleveland with that toss into the stands, sealing his fate.

 

Get somebody that clearly drops Taylor, Hembree, Walden (he's living on luck) and Brewer out. We hit a stone wall when they have to be brought into a game and with this rotation that happens all too often.

 

Trades take a long time to put together. Lawyers have to review contracts, etc. Very safe bet this trade was well on its way if not complete before Bauer heaved that ball into the stands...

[notin]

According to reports, the Mets wanted Benintendi for Diaz. What a joke of a trade proposal. Brady Van Wagonon is like a guy playing a baseball game on Playstation.

 

 

According to Steve Adams of MLBTR, that rumor has no legs. The idea for it seems to have come solely from “what if” scenarios posed by either ESPN’s Mark DeRosa (who has a theoretical trade segment on BBTN) or Buster Olney, who did use it more to counter any possibility of the Sox acquiring Diaz. I believe he said something along the lines of “[the Red Sox] don’t have pieces in the minors. They’d have to give up someone like Benintendi.” This is NOT THE SAME as saying the Mets wanted Benintendi for Diaz, just speculation about what it would take from the Sox standpoint. And he’s right, which is why it hasn’t and won’t happen...

[Maxbialystock]

Who would you drop from the rotation?

 

Sale and Price. That's impossible, of course, but both are underperforming. In general, I agree DD doesn't need to pick up another starter.

[Maxbialystock]

Good thing Max was just heaping the sarcasm.

 

Yup. Heaps and heaps.

[Slasher9]

Which shows the limited value of such simulations.

 

Would anyone in their right mind trade Benintendi for Diaz (plus $11.3 million more of theoretical trade value) right now?

 

I'm sure Dave Dombrowski would have a good laugh at the idea.

 

but the computer said to do it?

[Bellhorn04]

but the computer said to do it?

 

Computers are there to crank out data, but humans still have to make the decisions, for better or worse.

 

With Dave Dombrowski and Tony Larussa, I think we've still got a little old school thinking going on, for better or worse.

[notin]

but the computer said to do it?

 

The simulator wouldn’t like that deal unless you included $11mill, which is a lot of money never attached to a pre-arbitration player in a trade...

[Bellhorn04]

The simulator wouldn’t like that deal unless you included $11mill, which is a lot of money never attached to a pre-arbitration player in a trade...

 

Nah, the simulator isn't greedy, it just wants another player with $11.3 mill of Surplus Trade Value.

[notin]

Nah, the simulator isn't greedy, it just wants another player with $11.3 mill of Surplus Trade Value.

 

Dominic Smith ($8.3mill) closes that gap sufficiently.

 

Would you trade Benintendi for Diaz and Smith?

[Noles_1335]

With the way this team is so night and day, can we really deplete any more assets to put band-aids on bullet holes. A BP arm doesn't fix the issues in games where the SP has sucked and given up 6 in 4 and a starter won't fix the rotation when the said BP arm walks two and gives up a double to tie up a game or lose it. There are a multitude of issues with this team.. We need this or that can be said for soooooo many instances. Would it be so bad if we didn't add anyone and float some names out there to look into 2020. I'm a huge fan for shopping JBJ and even Chavis. JBJ is up for another increase in Arb and is not worth whatever he's looking to get and Chavis may never be an everyday starter so why not throw their names out there and pull some arms into the farm system.

[Bellhorn04]

Dominic Smith ($8.3mill) closes that gap sufficiently.

 

Would you trade Benintendi for Diaz and Smith?

 

Not me. I don't know much about Smith, but at a glance his defensive numbers look pretty wretched.

[notin]

Not me. I don't know much about Smith, but at a glance his defensive numbers look pretty wretched.

 

As an outfielder, yes. But he really isn’t an outfielder, having played only 26 games there in the minors before being pushed out there by Pete Alonso. His numbers at 1b in limited MLB time are more palatable...

[OH FOY]

Interesting day does Dombrowski have balls? I don't think so. After today your stuck with what you got, unless it waivers. 59-49 on July 31st. Underachieved, and team needs a shake up. DD wont do it.

2 games behind last WC spot. Seems like we just cant there for at least the last spot. That tells me a lot, with the personnel we have.

Edited July 31, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

As an outfielder, yes. But he really isn’t an outfielder, having played only 26 games there in the minors before being pushed out there by Pete Alonso. His numbers at 1b in limited MLB time are more palatable...

 

As I've said elsewhere, I think that in general, trading Benintendi would be nutty. And the return here looks pretty shaky.

[Slasher9]

we will ride or die with what we have.

the parade last Fall certainly should prevent us from mortgaging everything for this season. too far back of ALE to do that and the playin game is a 50/50 shot at making the postseason.

ride or die.

[Bellhorn04]

Interesting day does Dombrowski have balls? I don't think so. After today your stuck with what you got, unless it waivers. 59-49 on July 31st. Underachieved, and team needs a shake up. DD wont do it.

2 games behind last WC spot. Seems like we just cant there for at least the last spot. That tells me a lot, with the personnel we have.

 

The team doesn't need a shakeup IMO. They've been playing better, but the pitching continues to disappoint. That's not going to be fixed today.

[notin]

As I've said elsewhere, I think that in general, trading Benintendi would be nutty. And the return here looks pretty shaky.

 

I don’t think it’s shaky, but it’s certainly a questionable move.

 

The main reason not to do it is the absolute dearth of OF prospects in the Sox system. This team right now is more likely to find bullpen solutions from within than they are outfielders...