2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[Bellhorn04]

I think the Sox might part with a current everyday player. As much as I like JBJ's defense and his hitting when he is hot for all of a couple weeks at a time, I might be willing to part with JBJ. Sheds salary and we by God know his ceiling with specificity.

 

I highly doubt the Sox trade a regular.

 

I expect a modest trade for a reliever and that's it.

[moonslav59]

I highly doubt the Sox trade a regular.

 

I expect a modest trade for a reliever and that's it.

 

I agree.

 

We will trade a couple no names, like the Cashner deal, for a decent RP'er and call it a day.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

My understanding is that Diaz's high BABIP is not necessarily a fluke -- he has been giving up a high percentage of hard contact. When the hard contact % is high, the unlucky BABIP argument goes to hell. That is, Diaz isn't unlucky; instead, he has been giving up too much hard contact and that accounts for the inflated BABIP.

 

In other words, while Diaz's peripherals are very good, he hasn't been pitching well in other ways.

[Maxbialystock]

I agree.

 

We will trade a couple no names, like the Cashner deal, for a decent RP'er and call it a day.

 

Reassuring.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I agree.

 

We will trade a couple no names, like the Cashner deal, for a decent RP'er and call it a day.

 

This is where I am at .If We can't get a BP arm for Dalby ,CJ Chatham tier I'm truly not interested in trading Casas Darwin and Chavis .The asking price for Diaz is freaking stupid .

[Maxbialystock]

You think that’s a bad deal for Boston?

 

Sure do.

[Swiharts Ghost]

My understanding is that Diaz's high BABIP is not necessarily a fluke -- he has been giving up a high percentage of hard contact. When the hard contact % is high, the unlucky BABIP argument goes to hell. That is, Diaz isn't unlucky; instead, he has been giving up too much hard contact and that accounts for the inflated BABIP.

 

In other words, while Diaz's peripherals are very good, he hasn't been pitching well in other ways.

He's definetly a talented guy but yes he's not worth anyone being mentioned .I would offer Chatham ,Dalby and a single A lottery ticket at most .We could get wheeler maybe .

[moonslav59]

This is where I am at .If We can't get a BP arm for Dalby ,CJ Chatham tier I'm truly not interested in trading Casas Darwin and Chavis .The asking price for Diaz is freaking stupid .

 

We need to keep as many near ML prospects as possible, especially ones that can play P, 1B and 2B in 2020 and OF in 2021.

[Maxbialystock]

While we're at it, let's dump Devers and Bogaerts and see if we can't get a closer of the caliber of Kimbrel. I mean, Kimbrel got us the WS last year, didn't he? Who needs hitting? Relief pitching is what wins games.

[moonslav59]

He's definetly a talented guy but yes he's not worth anyone being mentioned .I would offer Chatham ,Dalby and a single A lottery ticket at most .We could get wheeler maybe .

 

We need a RP'er much more than a SP'er.

 

We have limited prospects to trade and little budget space. I don't get all the talk of trading for a SP'er at this point in the season.

 

If it's about 2020 and beyond, maybe, but I still see Eovaldi returning to the rotation next year.

[Bellhorn04]

My understanding is that Diaz's high BABIP is not necessarily a fluke -- he has been giving up a high percentage of hard contact. When the hard contact % is high, the unlucky BABIP argument goes to hell. That is, Diaz isn't unlucky; instead, he has been giving up too much hard contact and that accounts for the inflated BABIP.

 

In other words, while Diaz's peripherals are very good, he hasn't been pitching well in other ways.

 

Plus, his head may not be in the right place, and getting traded to Boston right now is probably not going to help.

[jung]

Well we need somebody. I don't at all see Nate as a closer. He pitches to contact too much and too much of it is hard contact. So we still don't have a closer. The way the bullpen sets up right now we are still going to end up throwing Work and Barnes until their arms fall off and Work is simply the best guy we have to close at present. He is no closer either.

 

I also do not think Cora will be able to rub his magic, post season starters become relievers while still being scheduled for more starts lamp successfully if we end up in a real post season series.

 

We actually need Diaz or his equal or better, not worse than Diaz.

Edited July 30, 2019 by jung

[moonslav59]

I don't see going all in for Diaz as being a good move.

 

He won't make us a top favorite to win a ring or even increase the odds enough to be worth trading away even more of our future.

 

I also think there is a good deal out there that does not involve Dalbec, Casas, Mata, DHern, Duran, Chatham or a regular.

[YastrzemskI]

I highly doubt the Sox trade a regular.

 

I expect a modest trade for a reliever and that's it.

 

If that's the case then how does management expect this team to win games with the pen as is?

We need to add two capable arms.. especially when you factor in Sale's struggles.

 

"It's time to play who do you trust? Hubba Hubba Hubba! Who do you trust?" (Excuse the Batman 1989 quote)

 

Sale or whoever else gets into a jam early in a post season start. Who do you trust to pitch the middle innings?

We're gunna trot Hembree and Taylor out there in situations like that? Two arms.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't see going all in for Diaz as being a good move.

 

He won't make us a top favorite to win a ring or even increase the odds enough to be worth trading away even more of our future.

 

I also think there is a good deal out there that does not involve Dalbec, Casas, Mata, DHern, Duran, Chatham or a regular.

 

I think it's quite possible the Sox front office is now looking at the team as being a solid Wild Card contender and not much more. Statistically, the chances of catching the Yanks are very small.

 

As a Wild Card contender you have a 'puncher's chance'. But you're not going to go overboard on further investment in the team.

[Bellhorn04]

If that's the case then how does management expect this team to win games with the pen as is?

We need to add two capable arms.. especially when you factor in Sale's struggles.

 

But they have been winning games. They're 15-8 in July. I think that's how the FO is probably looking at it.

[moonslav59]

I think it's quite possible the Sox front office is now looking at the team as being a solid Wild Card contender and not much more. Statistically, the chances of catching the Yanks are very small.

 

As a Wild Card contender you have a 'puncher's chance'. But you're not going to go overboard on further investment in the team.

 

Agreed.

 

We do have one ring as a WC team, and our rotation still has the ability to round into a top 3 force. Anytime you have a top 3 rotation that is 3 or 4 deep, you increase your odds of winning a ring. Add to that a top offense with decent defense and base running, and we may have a good shot as a WC entry.

 

I'd like to see us trade for the best RP'er we can get for 2-3 low level prospects and maybe make a deal for a second decent RP'er for A-level prospects. If someone wants Shawaryn, Velazquez or Johnson, I may offer them with a single A prospect, but I would not trade a top 10 prospect for pen help, especially if it is just a rental arm.

[moonslav59]

If that's the case then how does management expect this team to win games with the pen as is?

We need to add two capable arms.. especially when you factor in Sale's struggles.

 

Every team has areas of weakness. Some have more than one area.

 

Yes, the trend seems to show that pens are more and more important, but almost every WS winner creates a new mold that fans next think is essential to winning.

 

We won last year with many feeling our pen was weak beyond Kimbrel, yet we won it all with Kimbrel pitching poorly for much of the playoffs.'

 

Sure, I'd love to have a much better pen, but I think a modest improvement is about all we can expect, and it just might be enough.

[jung]

I think it's quite possible the Sox front office is now looking at the team as being a solid Wild Card contender and not much more. Statistically, the chances of catching the Yanks are very small.

 

As a Wild Card contender you have a 'puncher's chance'. But you're not going to go overboard on further investment in the team.

 

Now it depends on when the Yankmees get their team back. They are really hurting now. When does LeMahuie come back and when he comes back, does he come back the way Altuve came back for the Astros last year....barely able to move at all? He's not in tonight's lineup AGAIN. When does Sanchez come back....Betances. How about Gardner, Bird. Andujar, Stanton or CC? They can play without Andujar, Bird and Stanton because they have all year. But they need another starter, DESPERATELY and they need a big infusion from the hospital beds.

 

IMO, the Yankmees are suddenly very vulnerable. Now nobody may get past the Astros this year. Frankly I never bought the BS that the injuries that the Astros had last year were meaningless....The hell they were. They were a crippled team and they played like a crippled team. But IMO the Yankmees are coming apart at the seams this year and that has left the door open for the Sox as a WC team as long as they get there.

 

If it were not for the ambulatory Yankmees, I would say, stand pat Sox, maybe add a lower level relief arm and let what happens happen. But the Yankmees health situation has changed the dynamics of the playoff run IMO.

Edited July 30, 2019 by jung

[moonslav59]

Now it depends on when the Yankmees get their team back. They are really hurting now. When does LeMahuie come back and when he comes back, does he come back the way Altuve came back for the Astros last year....barely able to move at all? He's not in tonight's lineup AGAIN. When does Sanchez come back....Betances. How about Gardner, Bird. Andujar, Stanton or CC? They can play without Andujar, Bird and Stanton because they have all year. But they need another starter, DESPERATELY and they need a big infusion from the hospital beds.

 

IMO, the Yankmees are suddenly very vulnerable. Now nobody may get past the Astros this year. Frankly I never bought the BS that the injuries that the Astros had last year were meaningless....The hell they were. They were a crippled team and they played like a crippled team. But IMO the Yankmees are coming apart at the seams this year and that has left the door open for the Sox as a WC team as long as they get there.

 

If it were not for the ambulatory Yankmees, I would say, stand pat Sox, maybe add a lower level relief arm and let what happens happen. But the Yankmees health situation has changed the dynamics of the playoff run IMO.

 

The Yanks and Astros will likely make a major move or two at the deadline, and Sox fans will panic and call DD a do-nothing goof ball GM.

 

We should not be sucked into a reactionary deal. Just make a move or two for a solid pen arm(s) and call it a day.

 

[dgalehouse]

Going all the way back to the free agent period , Dombrowski has stated that he thinks the players we have are enough to win it . He has never changed his opinion on that . So , I don't think we should be expecting anything big in the next 48 hours . I would like to have Diaz , but I don't see any way we can top the other offers for him . The Mets are not going to sell him cheap. And I don't see any sense in trading for a reliever who is no better than what we have now . Tomorrow will probably be relatively quiet as far as major deals by anyone , for that matter .

[notin]

So tomorrow is it.

 

Flurry of last minute league wide excitement? Or like the off-season, does it put the “dead” in “deadline”?

[moonslav59]

Going all the way back to the free agent period , Dombrowski has stated that he thinks the players we have are enough to win it . He has never changed his opinion on that . So , I don't think we should be expecting anything big in the next 48 hours . I would like to have Diaz , but I don't see any way we can top the other offers for him . The Mets are not going to sell him cheap. And I don't see any sense in trading for a reliever who is no better than what we have now . Tomorrow will probably be relatively quiet as far as major deals by anyone , for that matter .

 

Do you consider the Cashner deal "big?"

 

I think we'll see a deal or two like that for a RP'er(s).

 

Decent but not great arm or two.

[moonslav59]

What time is the deadline? Id it something like 5 pm?

[jung]

The Yanks and Astros will likely make a major move or two at the deadline, and Sox fans will panic and call DD a do-nothing goof ball GM.

 

We should not be sucked into a reactionary deal. Just make a move or two for a solid pen arm(s) and call it a day.

 

 

Heck, other than a move for a starter the Yankmees have better players on the IL than they can trade for. Astros are another story and as much as we have focused on the Yankmees, I am not convinced that the AL team that makes it to the big dance comes out of the AL East this year anyway...not us, not the Yankmees and not the Rays.

[jung]

What time is the deadline? Id it something like 5 pm?

 

I think its 4 but I could be wrong.

[Swiharts Ghost]

We need a RP'er much more than a SP'er.

 

We have limited prospects to trade and little budget space. I don't get all the talk of trading for a SP'er at this point in the season.

 

If it's about 2020 and beyond, maybe, but I still see Eovaldi returning to the rotation next year.

 

Moon I know you do .I just think Evo is a reliever .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Dave always hits his target .Who was Dave linked to first ? Yates right ? Well it may still be .Give Yates the 9th give workman and Evo the 8th give Matt and Hembre the 7th .come playoffs move Rick to the pen .Can we still land Renfroe also lol kidding .I don't know but Johnson could be longman ?use brewer and company the rest . Edited July 30, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[Slasher9]

While we're at it, let's dump Devers and Bogaerts and see if we can't get a closer of the caliber of Kimbrel. I mean, Kimbrel got us the WS last year, didn't he? Who needs hitting? Relief pitching is what wins games.

 

Trading either one of those guys for a relief pitcher is insanely stupid.

[notin]

The Yanks and Astros will likely make a major move or two at the deadline, and Sox fans will panic and call DD a do-nothing goof ball GM.

 

We should not be sucked into a reactionary deal. Just make a move or two for a solid pen arm(s) and call it a day.

 

 

To be fair, I’ve been calling him a do-nothing goofball GM for a long time now. Since before spring training. If he doesn’t add anyone tomorrow, if I don’t call him one again, I’ll be inconsistent.