2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[Bellhorn04]

Andujar tips the scales over most anyone. He’s controllable for four more years and was second in ROY voting last year. He’s a legit middle of the order hitter.

 

2 minuses on Andujar are that he has been awful on defense, and of course missing most of this season due to shoulder surgery.

[notin]

Andujar tips the scales over most anyone. He’s controllable for four more years and was second in ROY voting last year. He’s a legit middle of the order hitter. The biggest question on Bauer is if the Guardians are actually looking to deal him. I’ve been baited into the thought, but with Kluber and Carrasco still down, I have a hard time believing they’re gonna deal their most reliable starter when they’re 2 back of the Twins and firmly sitting in the 1st WC slot

 

It’s not a question of value. A trade of Bauer for Andujar ends Cleveland’s season. Andujar brings nothing this year.

 

If Cleveland was out of it, this deal makes more sense. But they’re not. And with Kluber and Carrasco still on the shelf, a deal of Bauer looks less likely by the day.

 

Now Boyd does make sense here. Spotty track record or not, he’s become one of the best strikeout pitchers in the game today and is under control for several more seasons. If Detroit opts to deal him, Andujar makes a ton of sense for both sides.

 

You’ll need to pair Andujar with Deivi Garcia to get Syndergaard. No idea if this deal makes sense for the Mets because, like most people, I have no idea what the Mets are doing. However, if the Mets flip Stroman for Andujar, then BVW takes a huge step closer to genius.

[moonslav59]

I would not trade Chavis for a reliever or Syndergaard who looks to be on the DL way to much .History should tell us to learn from past mistakes .Chavis may never be A certain Hall of famer we traded that starts with B but that swing and that power is undeniable .Scherzer ? Let's talk .Chavis is not willy mo Pena either , Chavis is a damn good player .Can we give the kid a break also ? The guys not a 5 year vet he's a rookie ....260 -16-55 RBI now those are the numbers I give a s*** about .Projection of 265 -24-80 for a rookie ? You want to trade away 24 jacks and 80 RBI ? Yeah I'm keeping the kid .s*** they can have Benny .how did my last sentence end up in your bolded lol yikes ? IT !!!! To the board stat .

 

My bet would be that Chavis ends up more like Middlebrooks than Devers. I realize the gap is huge, but with his high K rate all the way through the system and his 69 game sample size vs the 14 to start the season, I am very concerned about his value going forward. I realize I could be wrong. I realize the value of .245 hitters who crank 25+ HRs a season is something many disagree on, but the Rays basically cut a guy who hit .253 with 30 HRs, last year (CJ Cron).

 

Chavis 162 game average (671 PAs):

 

.260 31 107

 

Chavis minus the first 14 games of 2019:

 

.243 10 42

 

Projected at 671 PAs:

 

.243 23 96 (100 Ks in 263 ABs or 38%)

 

That high K rate is something very few good to great hitters ever overcome.

 

 

[OH FOY]

Buster Olney says the Dodgers are in on Diaz too.

[notin]

Buster Olney says the Dodgers are in on Diaz too.

 

The Sox can’t outbid them.

 

If the Sox move on an established closer, Greene or Colome are more likely.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks are apparently in on a combo of Ray and Bradley. Bradley has been an elite reliever until this season. Ray cut his walk rate down, but he’s another lefty with big stuff who is prone to the tater ball. He does fit a need, though, as a guy who will give us 5 innings and hand the ball to the pen. Both are controllable beyond this season

[jacksonianmarch]

It’s not a question of value. A trade of Bauer for Andujar ends Cleveland’s season. Andujar brings nothing this year.

 

If Cleveland was out of it, this deal makes more sense. But they’re not. And with Kluber and Carrasco still on the shelf, a deal of Bauer looks less likely by the day.

 

Now Boyd does make sense here. Spotty track record or not, he’s become one of the best strikeout pitchers in the game today and is under control for several more seasons. If Detroit opts to deal him, Andujar makes a ton of sense for both sides.

 

You’ll need to pair Andujar with Deivi Garcia to get Syndergaard. No idea if this deal makes sense for the Mets because, like most people, I have no idea what the Mets are doing. However, if the Mets flip Stroman for Andujar, then BVW takes a huge step closer to genius.

 

You can shorten that to a trade of Bauer ends the Guardians season. I never understood the rationale of dealing your best pitcher and thinking you’d get better in a season where you’re likely making the playoffs

[notin]

You can shorten that to a trade of Bauer ends the Guardians season. I never understood the rationale of dealing your best pitcher and thinking you’d get better in a season where you’re likely making the playoffs

 

Billy Beane traded his best starter (Kenny Rogers) in 1999 to the Mets (for Terrance Long) and just missed the postseason, which he would have made under today’s rules.

 

But he also had a rookie named Tim Hudson step up and fill the void. Can Bieber be this year’s Hudson?

[notin]

Yanks are apparently in on a combo of Ray and Bradley. Bradley has been an elite reliever until this season. Ray cut his walk rate down, but he’s another lefty with big stuff who is prone to the tater ball. He does fit a need, though, as a guy who will give us 5 innings and hand the ball to the pen. Both are controllable beyond this season

 

Using the values at http://www.baseballtradevalues.com, if Yankees offered Frazier and Loasigia, it would be a fair deal for that pair. That may or may not exceed other offers and also depends how the Diamondbacks feel about that pair, especially Loasigia.

 

Or the Diamondbacks could demand Garcia and be obstinate about his inclusion...

[kenmeister]

My bet would be that Chavis ends up more like Middlebrooks than Devers. I realize the gap is huge, but with his high K rate all the way through the system and his 69 game sample size vs the 14 to start the season, I am very concerned about his value going forward. I realize I could be wrong. I realize the value of .245 hitters who crank 25+ HRs a season is something many disagree on, but the Rays basically cut a guy who hit .253 with 30 HRs, last year (CJ Cron).

 

Chavis 162 game average (671 PAs):

 

.260 31 107

 

Chavis minus the first 14 games of 2019:

 

.243 10 42

 

Projected at 671 PAs:

 

.243 23 96 (100 Ks in 263 ABs or 38%)

 

That high K rate is something very few good to great hitters ever overcome.

 

 

 

If that's the case should we trade Chavis and promote Marco Hernandez?

[moonslav59]

The Sox can’t outbid them.

 

If the Sox move on an established closer, Greene or Colome are more likely.

 

We can out bid anyone, because nobody will overpay by as much as we don't have.

[oldtimer]

My bet would be that Chavis ends up more like Middlebrooks than Devers. I realize the gap is huge, but with his high K rate all the way through the system and his 69 game sample size vs the 14 to start the season, I am very concerned about his value going forward. I realize I could be wrong. I realize the value of .245 hitters who crank 25+ HRs a season is something many disagree on, but the Rays basically cut a guy who hit .253 with 30 HRs, last year (CJ Cron).

 

Chavis 162 game average (671 PAs):

 

.260 31 107

 

Chavis minus the first 14 games of 2019:

 

.243 10 42

 

Projected at 671 PAs:

 

.243 23 96 (100 Ks in 263 ABs or 38%)

 

That high K rate is something very few good to great hitters ever overcome.

 

 

 

My concern is that the Sox don't have a 2nd baseman without Chavis. He is not a slick fielder and he does have a high strikeout rate, but appears durable and has real power. Is there a possibility he could make an improvement? Devers did and perhaps Chavis could replicate some of that. If so, he could fill a need at 2nd and is a low cost player, something we will need going forward. I don't know of a minor leaguer who would be better and Pedroia is done, so we should tread carefully with the idea of a trade.

[kenmeister]

My concern is that the Sox don't have a 2nd baseman without Chavis. He is not a slick fielder and he does have a high strikeout rate, but appears durable and has real power. Is there a possibility he could make an improvement? Devers did and perhaps Chavis could replicate some of that. If so, he could fill a need at 2nd and is a low cost player, something we will need going forward. I don't know of a minor leaguer who would be better and Pedroia is done, so we should tread carefully with the idea of a trade.

 

Can't Marco Hernandez play 2nd?

[notin]

My concern is that the Sox don't have a 2nd baseman without Chavis. He is not a slick fielder and he does have a high strikeout rate, but appears durable and has real power. Is there a possibility he could make an improvement? Devers did and perhaps Chavis could replicate some of that. If so, he could fill a need at 2nd and is a low cost player, something we will need going forward. I don't know of a minor leaguer who would be better and Pedroia is done, so we should tread carefully with the idea of a trade.

 

The offense is more fun with Chavis at 2b and a slugging 1b in the mix, but the internal options are somewhat limited.

 

Marco Hernandez, Tzu-Wei Lin and CJ Chatham headline the middle infield options. Chatham and Lin are the better defenders, but Hernandez is no slouch. Chavis might require some platoon help at 1b, but the internal options there are pretty weak, too. Ockimey is the closest.

 

Hernandez seems like the most complete player at 2b, but also strikes me as a player you don’t want getting 600 plate appearances. For some reason, Lin strikes me as the most likely late bloomer of the bunch. But that’s all speculation. Chatham is just unlikely barring a monster spring.

 

If the Sox look outside at free agency, Scooter Gennett has struggled his way down into the “potential bargain” bin. He won’t be cheap, but he also isn’t likely to cost what he would have cost a year ago...

[moonslav59]

If that's the case should we trade Chavis and promote Marco Hernandez?

 

Marco has not proven jack. I would not trade Chavis, since we need all our low cost, young players that are ML ready.

 

I'd only make Andrew Cushner type deals for pen help.

[notin]

If that's the case should we trade Chavis and promote Marco Hernandez?

 

I see the “Marco Hernandez Fan Club” has a new leader.

 

You’re out, moon!

[Slasher9]

im ready to ride or die with what we have right now.

if we get the WC and if we win the playin game and make the postseason....i love our BP with Eovaldi and Porcello.

countdown to postseason thread will be put up 01-Aug.

[moonslav59]

My concern is that the Sox don't have a 2nd baseman without Chavis. He is not a slick fielder and he does have a high strikeout rate, but appears durable and has real power. Is there a possibility he could make an improvement? Devers did and perhaps Chavis could replicate some of that. If so, he could fill a need at 2nd and is a low cost player, something we will need going forward. I don't know of a minor leaguer who would be better and Pedroia is done, so we should tread carefully with the idea of a trade.

 

Devers never had the K rate Chavis has always had.

 

I'm not sure Sox management sees Chavis as our 2Bman for 2020. I think he may play there some, but he and Dalbec will be our 1Bmen in 2020 with Marco, Chatham and Lin fighting over 2B.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with what Chavis has done, but he is still a huge question mark, and I get the sense some are thinking he is a slam dunk legit ML'er.

 

In today's game, .240 with 25-30 HR players are a dime a dozen. I'm hopeful he gets better, but his last 69 games point to a more somber future.

[moonslav59]

I see the “Marco Hernandez Fan Club” has a new leader.

 

You’re out, moon!

 

I think sarcasm.

 

I agree with your Marco assessment in your previous post.

[S5Dewey]

Devers never had the K rate Chavis has always had.

 

I'm not sure Sox management sees Chavis as our 2Bman for 2020. I think he may play there some, but he and Dalbec will be our 1Bmen in 2020 with Marco, Chatham and Lin fighting over 2B.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with what Chavis has done, but he is still a huge question mark, and I get the sense some are thinking he is a slam dunk legit ML'er.

 

In today's game, .240 with 25-30 HR players are a dime a dozen. I'm hopeful he gets better, but his last 69 games point to a more somber future.

 

Here's my concern about Chavis. We have an occasional poster here who goes by "Dustpan" who's a retired doctor and he once said that the effects of PED's can remain in the system for [iIRC] a couple of years. We may be seeing the "real" Michael Chavis now... or he may be regressing to his pre-PED numbers.

 

I'm not done with Chavis now by any means. I think 'everyone' (Jeffrey Dahlmer types excluded) deserves a second chance after making a mistake. I like what he's saying and doing but I want to give him more time before I make any long-term commitments to him.

[S5Dewey]

I see the “Marco Hernandez Fan Club” has a new leader.

 

You’re out, moon!

 

Sign me up for the club.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I don't mind trading Chavis or Dalbec. My biggest complaint is that I don't want Diaz, I'm not sold on the idea that his problems are correctable. What we are seeing this year with Diaz (increase in HR per 9) could be the start of a larger decline.

 

I want D.Smith and Wheeler from the Mets. Although, it sounds like Wheeler will be going to the Astros.

 

I'm high on M.Hernandez. He doesn't walk as much as you would like, but he has always been able to hit. I wouldn't have a problem starting Hernandez at 2b next year or giving him playing time at the major league level this year. I just hope he can stay healthy.

[oldtimer]

Sign me up for the club.

 

I've played some ball and still playing softball with the over 75 guys. A second baseman who is left handed is at a disadvantage making the pivot on a double play hit to the left side. Marco has been acceptable and is probably a better overall fielder than Chavis. Funny how we have used Holt, Lin and Henrnandez at 2nd. I guess it has to do with our utility guys.

[dgalehouse]

Maybe Diaz has been a victim of the juiced ball . I don't remember ever seeing so many opposite field home runs as I see this year. Used to be that you could negate a guy's power by pitching away . Now , every Tom , Dick and Harry seems to have opposite field power . But Diaz has excellent stuff . He would be a great acquisition .

[moonslav59]

Here's my concern about Chavis. We have an occasional poster here who goes by "Dustpan" who's a retired doctor and he once said that the effects of PED's can remain in the system for [iIRC] a couple of years. We may be seeing the "real" Michael Chavis now... or he may be regressing to his pre-PED numbers.

 

I'm not done with Chavis now by any means. I think 'everyone' (Jeffrey Dahlmer types excluded) deserves a second chance after making a mistake. I like what he's saying and doing but I want to give him more time before I make any long-term commitments to him.

 

Exactly. As of right now, he has the 1B/2B job (2019 & 2020), and it needs to be taken away by someone better or he has to prove he doesn't deserve it.

 

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but a 69 game more recent sample size vs his first 14 game sample size should be very worrisome to any Sox or Chavis fan.

 

The guy has power.

 

The guy has had some huge hits.

 

The guy has had some mammoth HRs.

 

There are a few high K hitters that can stick around. Most walk a lot, too, which is something Chavis has never really done. High K, high power and decent OBP is usually the formula for his type surviving. You rarely see his type improve on the K rate by all that much.

 

Here is his history:

 

2019

.331 OBP (which is decent, but it is .302 over his last 68 games)

33.1% K rate

4.7% HR rate (which is 30 HRs per 650 PAs)

 

AAA

.329 OBP (82 PAs)

25.6 K rate

7.3% HR

 

AA

.337 OBP (413 PAs)

22.0 K

4.8% HR

[notin]

Per Rotoworld, Speier and Ken Rosenthal are reporting the Sox weak farm likely has them out on Diaz, Shane Greene and Rasiel Iglesias. Alex Colome was not mentioned, but it’s also possible they’re out on him as well.

 

So the pen upgrade will be a lesser pitcher. Buck Farmer, anyone?

[Maxbialystock]

Sign me up for the club.

 

Me too. Marco Hernandez looked awfully good this year. If he can keep hitting, a better choice at 2b than Chavis.

[Maxbialystock]

im ready to ride or die with what we have right now.

if we get the WC and if we win the playin game and make the postseason....i love our BP with Eovaldi and Porcello.

countdown to postseason thread will be put up 01-Aug.

 

Im pretty close to the same position.

[OH FOY]

Dalbec in a million years will never make the play Chavis made last Saturday against the Yankees, of diving for the ball hit up the middle at 2nd, getting up Tagging the 2nd base bag, and completing the DP unassisted, and saving a run.

[jung]

Anyway at this point there is only lukewarm interest apparently between Sox and Mets for a deal. Apparently the nutty Mets are talking beni for diaz and that is just crazy talk. I am not averse to trading beni but I want to trade high on beni and beni/diaz is not trading high on beni.

 

I have no idea what the mets are doing and we might just have to avoid them entirely. If they flip Stroman then Mets world is back on axis again. If they don't I remain having no clue.

Edited July 30, 2019 by jung